Episode 63 features Janae Ivery, who you may not know yet, who is co-hosting the Girls Go Books Deep Podcast, and who’s preparing to break into all of the mediums.
We discuss on-screen representation, why can’t all fandoms get along, what is canon, writing, reviewing, captions, and much much more.
Throughout the conversation, we discuss:
- Representation
- Canon
- Fandom
- DC and Marvel
- Reading
- Binge vs. Appointment Television
- Wanting to Create
- Reviewing
- Captions
- Writing
- Acting
- Daily Goals
- Notebooks
- The Fear of Publish
- And much more
Mentioned and Helpful Links from This Episode
Music created and provided by Henno Heitur of Monkey Tongue Productions.
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Agent Palmer
Previously on Agent Palmer dot com. Objectivity wins and Dayton’s World War two analysis. Blood, Tears and Folly. Edge of the world. Broadcast season two. Listening is advised, and as it turns out, many of you shared your collections with me after last episode, and we’re all collectors of some sort. This is The Palmer Files, episode 63 with Janae Ivery, who you may not know yet, but who is co-hosting the Girls Go Books podcast and who’s preparing to break into all the mediums we discuss on screen representation.
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Agent Palmer
Why can’t all fandoms get along? What is canon? Writing, reviewing captions, and much, much more. Are you ready? Let’s do the show.
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Agent Palmer
You.
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Agent Palmer
Hello, and welcome to the Palmer Files. I’m your host, Jason Stershic. Also known as Agent Palmer. And on this 63rd episode is Janae Ivery. Janae, co-host. Girls go books Deep, a podcast with her friend and fellow co-host Amanda Goldstein, and hopes that one day you’ll also know her from screens big and small. I ran into Ginny and Girls Go Books deep on Twitter, and as a former mentor once proved, you don’t need to have your best friend or even someone you know as a guest on your podcast to have a great conversation.
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Agent Palmer
Thank you, Mr. Markham, because had I not invited Janae on, I would have missed out. And you, dear listener, would have missed out too. We go everywhere from representation of gender and race on all of the screens to what is canon, from Marvel versus DC to why can’t we all get along? Then we just talk about how we consume our media binge a series versus appointment viewing.
00:02:04:42 – 00:02:26:42
Agent Palmer
Plus, Janae takes us on a personal journey of how she arrived, where she is, where she is headed, and how it all hinged on just one decision so far. All of that and much more are headed your way. But before we get going, remember that if you want to discuss this episode as you listen or afterwards, you can tweet me at Jim Palmer, my guest, Janae Ivery at J Ivery.
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Agent Palmer
That’s Giba PR, why her show Girls Go books deep at Gigi underscore books deep. And this show at the Palmer Files. You can find Ginny’s podcast at Girls Go Books, deep.com, or wherever good podcasts can be listened to. Don’t forget, you can see all of my writings and rantings on Agent palmer.com. And of course, email can be sent to the Palmer files at gmail.com.
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Agent Palmer
So without further ado, let’s get into it.
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Agent Palmer
Janae. I have a very serious question to start with.
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Janae Ivery
All right.
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Agent Palmer
Which is you are a woman of color. In podcasting and. Well, I champion all voices. Your voice probably not heard that much in podcasting.
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Janae Ivery
Unless you’re looking for it. Which only recently because we’ve been doing the research on podcasting, trying to find our audience. What’s out there versus, you know, what we could bring to the table. And only recently I came across an article that had like the top ten Black Nerd podcast shows, but it is very few and far between.
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Janae Ivery
So it’s just another reason why me and Amanda want to do this show, because we wanted to have our voices out there give a different perspective that’s unique, but also relatable in the same sense of, you know, me being a woman of color, you don’t see a lot of us on the front lines of comics and movies and, you know, fantasies and all this stuff talking about it.
00:04:15:02 – 00:04:32:58
Janae Ivery
But we are out there. There are so many people that I’ve met in my life, or just through passing of talking about our favorite new show, Witcher or whatever, and you’re just realizing, like, there’s a lot more people who look like me who enjoy the same things I do. So.
00:04:33:03 – 00:04:59:42
Agent Palmer
So do you look for it in your shows? Obviously, you know what’s created is what’s created, but do you look for representation or like does it? I ask because like I so I am, I am I’m just a white Jew okay. Like that’s so so my representation is in the context. Like I can’t look on the screen and go, that person’s Jewish.
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Agent Palmer
Like that doesn’t exist for me. Right. But I also don’t seek it out. Because for me, and I understand I’m coming from a very different place, but, like, for me, it’s never been important for me to see a Jew on the screen, right? For me, but it seems like we are at a point where that conversation is changing and people want to see more of themselves.
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Agent Palmer
And as people realize that not everybody’s the same. But do you like, does it suck that you have to seek out things that reflect you?
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Janae Ivery
Yes. Okay. It does. I mean, for me, I want genuine representation, not something that, you know, this is the trend at the moment. We actually do talk about this in a couple of our episodes where it’s like, we want the actor who’s going to play that character the best it could be that it is a white man.
00:06:03:28 – 00:06:35:12
Janae Ivery
If it is okay, that’s fine if that’s the best person to play that role. But also if it’s a Mexican woman or a black woman or whatever, then that’s fine too. I think Eternals, the movie Eternals, if anyone is watched, that is the best, example I could give of where they changed a couple of the characters. But when you go and you watch that movie and you see those actors, it’s like, okay, maybe that was the best actor to play that role in the gender.
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Janae Ivery
And, you know, their cultural background really didn’t matter. It was more about the character.
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Agent Palmer
So that leads me to this because I’ve, I’ve, I’ve I’m probably not the person anybody should ask this question to, but I end up having these conversations about, gender swapping and race swapping. And to me, and I’ll just brass tacks to me, gender and race swapping feels lazy.
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Janae Ivery
Okay. Creative. Where are you going?
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Agent Palmer
Yeah, I want a strong black female to portray a strong black female character, not to step into the role of. Yeah, some other thing. I, I want a, like, Black Panther is a great example, right? I want, I want Black Panther to be Black Panther. I don’t want a black actor to step into the role of Superman, because while it’s happened in the comics and I understand that.
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Janae Ivery
Right.
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Agent Palmer
I, I, you know, why are we I it feels just like, I don’t know what like it feels disingenuous.
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Janae Ivery
I yes, I think one of my biggest things and another thing, me and Amanda, we constantly talk about these things because she is a white woman. I am a black woman. So we see a lot of things from different perspectives and it’s like, for me to an extent like if we’re going to, you know, create that strong black woman character, then create that strong black woman character.
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Janae Ivery
Like you said, you know, there is a black superman. Okay, then that’s in a different universe. That’s a different character. So we don’t have to change our Clark Kent just because there is, you know, a black Superman, just like there’s a Peter Parker and there’s a miles Morales. Those are two different, complete, different spider-mans, but they can coexist in they still have representation there.
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Agent Palmer
Yes, yes.
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Janae Ivery
So it’s one of those things that I think you can’t just go with the trend. You really need to look at it, look at the culture they’re portraying, like in Black Panther. Obviously, I think there should not be anyone other than that color playing that part, because, I mean, it’s just immersed in everything that, yeah, color brings, you know, to the screen.
00:08:53:15 – 00:09:12:28
Janae Ivery
So it wouldn’t be right to put another color in that role. Yeah. So it’s like one of those things, it’s like if it’s true to the story and the plot and the culture that you’re trying to portray on screen, then make sure it’s the right one. But if none of that matters, then anyone should be able to play that character.
00:09:12:28 – 00:09:34:53
Agent Palmer
Yeah. And you, you and I come from like a, a source material background, right? Like, we pay attention to the comics and the books and, you know, it’s not just about what happens to be on the screen at the time and right to diverge a bit from, from the serious talk. Do you how do you feel about canon?
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Agent Palmer
Because like, to me, we’re coming off of the heels, as we record this of Hawkeye and a lot of this discussion about whether the television show agents of Shield is now canon or not. And to me, I don’t understand how it’s important for anyone to try and write out or write in agents of Shield to what’s already happen, like it’s already happened, right?
00:10:05:48 – 00:10:06:24
Agent Palmer
It’s done.
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Janae Ivery
I will say this, because I started watching agents of Shield in the beginning and they they made it a part of the MCU. Yes. They at. Yeah. In the first season, do you.
00:10:19:57 – 00:10:23:24
Agent Palmer
Remember had did you watch during season two?
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Janae Ivery
I want to say yes.
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Agent Palmer
Because season two was to me and I know everybody has problems with Disney in the whole like big screen, small screen stuff. But what they did leading in to Captain America Winter soldier, where if you didn’t watch agents of Shield the week before. Right. And you didn’t watch. Yeah, you didn’t know.
00:10:45:42 – 00:11:07:13
Janae Ivery
So for people to say that is not canon, I’m just like, you didn’t watch the show, obviously. Like what are you talking about? Like you had scythe from Thor show up in season one. Yeah. But that doesn’t belong anymore. So we’re in a different universe. What’s going on like this. Yeah. Stuff like that blows my mind. It blows my mind.
00:11:07:15 – 00:11:30:37
Agent Palmer
I just, I feel like we’re all like the like I understand clickbait. I mean, I don’t like it and I don’t I try not to participate in it, but I, I but I feel like everybody, we’re having the wrong conversations. Or it feels like, you know, when something’s trending on any social media platform, it feels like it’s always the like, you’re okay, that’s fine.
00:11:30:37 – 00:11:41:38
Agent Palmer
We can talk about spider man. We can talk about agents of Shield. That’s fine. But you’re you’re having a talking about removing it from the mythos seems like the wrong conversation to have. Yeah.
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Janae Ivery
Yeah. Because I definitely remember watching that show and being like, okay, this is another thing that they’ve thrown in between each movie that you could kind of keep in the universe, and you’re constantly thinking about the MCU, which I think was the whole point of it. Yeah. So you’re never technically out of it. You’re always waiting for the next thing.
00:12:02:45 – 00:12:09:15
Janae Ivery
And now it is kind of gotten out of control. So yeah.
00:12:09:22 – 00:12:20:32
Agent Palmer
Do you, I, I know you probably do, but I’m going to ask anyway. Do you have a fan leanings, DC or Marvel?
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Janae Ivery
Yes. So, I can say this with confidence because it’s me and Amanda. We are both DC girls. Okay. My favorite superheroes. Batman, I know, but I do have a love for Marvel at the same time. Like, I grew up reading X-Men comics, watching the shows. Like, my favorite ex-minister form, obviously. But, like, I can appreciate both because they both have different representations in different things that they tackle.
00:13:00:35 – 00:13:07:08
Janae Ivery
But I do like DC because it’s a little bit darker, a little bit rougher. So I yeah.
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Agent Palmer
What you just said is my argument, period. Right. Like Star Wars and Star Trek both have different they’re not telling the same story. And Marvel and DC are not trying to like like to I guess to the outside to somebody who’s not in the comic or superhero vein at all. They go, oh, people were superheroes, but they’re not trying to do the same thing by any stretch.
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Agent Palmer
So I think it is very much a like, why, why can’t we all get along like it’s comic, like it’s just comics or it’s just space or it’s just fantasy, like it’s all it should all be good. And I, I don’t know many people, if any. I actually that only like one thing like I know, I know DC fanboys like super DC fanboys that still go and watch the Marvel movies, and then occasionally I’ll get a phone call and be like, why can’t DC make a movie that could write like.
00:14:10:32 – 00:14:25:59
Agent Palmer
And I appreciate that, that honesty can happen from somebody who enjoys both sides. Right? It’s it’s a little tongue in cheek. Yeah, but there’s still a lot of people that are like, no, just one like really just one like you. Only one. Yeah. I mean.
00:14:26:03 – 00:14:48:20
Janae Ivery
I just want out of out of out of everything that comics brings us. You’re only choosing one side. You’re not really digging into the other side to see what they have to offer, because they have a whole host of other superheroes and villains that who, you know, you could definitely dive into and you might, you know, enjoy more than some others on the Marvel side.
00:14:48:20 – 00:14:51:55
Janae Ivery
So it’s one of those it’s one of those things.
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Agent Palmer
Do you, do you, outside of comics and movies and television, are you a like a book reader?
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Janae Ivery
I would say I’m a now and again book reader. I’m not a, avid reader in the sense of how a, like, Amanda is reading, Game of Thrones, probably for the 20th time. But I do enjoy, good fantasy books. So if I find one that I really do enjoy, I’ll just, like, dig in and I’ll not watch TV or any movies for a bit.
00:15:27:34 – 00:15:28:40
Janae Ivery
Enjoy the series.
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Agent Palmer
Or do you want like a one off, or do you want, like a series?
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Janae Ivery
A series? Because I do like learning the characters and seeing how their relationships develop, just like I would watch, you know, a series on television. So.
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Agent Palmer
Okay, because I’m, math time, right? 337336 ten 1112. So I’m 12 books into the Terry books, Shannara series. Right. Okay. And I’m a stickler for reading things in the order they were published, not the order they were, written or not? Not chronological order, just chronological in published order. So I’m finishing another trilogy. I don’t know, soon.
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Agent Palmer
And that’s that’s a series that I don’t think enough people. I think a lot of, I think some people know of it, and, MTV’s Shannara Chronicles maybe helped a little bit, but MTV didn’t do justice to the series. So I feel like I if I could get you into that, like start at the beginning. Start with this sort of Shannara trilogy, like you will.
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Agent Palmer
And what to me, and this is what I think people can say about a lot of different things to me. Terry Brooks is candy, right? Like like token is like a full meal. Terry Brooks isn’t that heavy? Like, okay, there’s some like, look, I mean, it gets serious. There’s some forces of darkness. Obviously it’s fantasy like it is.
00:17:08:01 – 00:17:21:49
Agent Palmer
It has those high fantasy elements, but you do not feel like I need a dictionary along with this book. Like this is not. And but it’s not young adult fiction either. It’s just kind of somewhere in the middle in them.
00:17:21:49 – 00:17:24:58
Janae Ivery
Okay. Yeah, that’s that’s the nice blend.
00:17:25:03 – 00:17:30:57
Agent Palmer
And I just put you just put away a book in a weekend like it’s. So it’s one of those books, right. Like and.
00:17:31:10 – 00:17:32:24
Janae Ivery
Yeah.
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Agent Palmer
It doesn’t happen for me often. Like I think Ready Player One was like one of those books where I picked it up and, like, I don’t know, 17 hours later, I put it down, right? Like, what happened to my Saturday or whatever? Like.
00:17:45:31 – 00:17:59:51
Janae Ivery
I don’t know, those are books that I usually look for because I am so much into TV and movies and things like that. So I’m like, you know, if I can’t read this book in a couple of days, I don’t know what I’m going to do.
00:17:59:56 – 00:18:28:53
Agent Palmer
Well, and you get addicted to some of those worlds. It’s just like, yeah, I, I have a hard time now. I think with, I’m trying to pace myself, like, you find a new show that may be out or over with and you go, all right, I can binge this, but I absolutely try not to like. Because, like, I, you know, okay, this show, whatever it is, had 57 episodes, and it’s done.
00:18:28:53 – 00:18:40:06
Agent Palmer
It’s been done for years, and I go, I’m going to try and watch just one a day, like, don’t, don’t ruin it. Like, don’t, don’t just get rid of it like you want it. You want to enjoy it.
00:18:40:11 – 00:18:55:17
Janae Ivery
Yes. You want to enjoy every piece of it. Yeah. But those are books that I look for that I enjoy reading. And I’m gonna look into that because if that’s what I’m going to get out of that book, then I’ll be very happy.
00:18:55:17 – 00:19:14:53
Agent Palmer
Yeah, I and I’ve been like, I turned myself into a reader because I was like, I will, I want to read more. Right. And I forced it and then it became more of a habit. And I don’t suggest people do this because it’s not the healthy like I forced. I was like, I’m going to read ten pages every night.
00:19:14:53 – 00:19:18:57
Agent Palmer
Like, that’s how I started it. And then you just start getting into the books and you’re like, oh.
00:19:19:02 – 00:19:19:36
Janae Ivery
All right.
00:19:19:37 – 00:19:20:46
Agent Palmer
Oh yeah. And then you’re like.
00:19:20:46 – 00:19:22:26
Janae Ivery
And then it’s more than ten pages and.
00:19:22:41 – 00:19:36:58
Agent Palmer
And well, it’s more than ten pages. And you’re like, I got to go to bed early if I’m going to read before bed, because now all of a sudden I’m reading for an hour and it’s like 1:00 and I got it up in the morning and say, you know, and yeah, but the same is true for like, television shows and stuff like you.
00:19:36:58 – 00:19:37:18
Janae Ivery
Oh yeah.
00:19:37:18 – 00:19:40:08
Agent Palmer
You get one and you get going and you’re like, I don’t know.
00:19:40:13 – 00:19:57:34
Janae Ivery
That. That’s exactly, what happened when I watched The Witcher the second season? I was up till 1:00 in the morning because I could not not finish this. I was like, no, you’re doing this. You’re watching all of them because it’s just too good to leave another episode for another day.
00:19:57:39 – 00:20:15:35
Agent Palmer
Now, how does that compare with like, Hawkeye and I’m talking about I’m talking in terms of release, right. Like because Disney kind of like the terrestrial television of old. Like you got to wait, like, here’s one episode and now wait a week.
00:20:15:40 – 00:20:42:06
Janae Ivery
I’m so on the fence with that one because I enjoy both. But then, you know, now that I finished The Witcher is done, I have nothing to do. But at least with Hawkeye, I have something to look forward to every Wednesday night. You know, when it would come out. So, And that short moment of time, it was actually pretty nice to have shows to watch at night to kind of, like, unwind.
00:20:42:20 – 00:21:08:43
Janae Ivery
Yeah. So I would watch, you know, Hawkeye came out on Wednesday. The Wheel of Time came out on a Friday. So I was like, okay, so these two days are my two days. I’m gonna relax, kick back, enjoy the show. Yeah. Like, you know, and just let my mind wander with all this, greatness. But, yeah, I mean, I enjoy both.
00:21:08:43 – 00:21:13:45
Janae Ivery
I think it depends on the type of show.
00:21:13:50 – 00:21:36:24
Agent Palmer
Yeah, I, I can agree with that because I’ll, I, I’ve never watched Stranger Things other than to binge, for the seasons that exist, at least as for now. And, I, because of the way that show is written, I think it’s a great way to be binged. I don’t know if you could wait a week in between things.
00:21:36:24 – 00:21:38:25
Janae Ivery
Right. Yeah.
00:21:38:30 – 00:21:56:58
Agent Palmer
I know that, like the first season, I started it too late, so I had to go to bed. Like, I just had to. I was like, I, I’ll pick this up in the morning. It’s fine. But like, it was just one of those, like, find it. Like, what episode do I stop on? Like, yeah, it’s because they just roll in.
00:21:56:58 – 00:22:00:36
Agent Palmer
They they want you to keep going and they know what they want to win.
00:22:00:41 – 00:22:21:22
Janae Ivery
Yeah. No. Absolutely, absolutely. And I think, when we’re talking about these shows and also the style of writing is different. Yeah. From, you know, like you said, binging Stranger Things versus, you know, watching a show like Hawkeye, it has a different pace to it. Yeah. So, yeah.
00:22:21:27 – 00:22:36:25
Agent Palmer
Did you I mean, you’re a consumer of media is what I’ll call you. Right. Like, because and I think for the most part, we all are, but geeks kind of a little bit more than others. We pay a little more attention, we watch a little bit more, we read a little bit more.
00:22:36:30 – 00:22:39:14
Janae Ivery
Do you have.
00:22:39:19 – 00:22:49:42
Agent Palmer
Like a a creative itch, like, do you want to pitch, a storyline for a comic book character or a television show or a movie? Like, is that in you?
00:22:49:46 – 00:23:19:50
Janae Ivery
Yes. That’s that’s that’s, another reason why we are doing this. Because I do have, a background in communication and film and screenwriting and acting. So a lot of times, especially if I’m doing an acting class, I can’t watch TV, I can’t watch movies because my brain is in actors mode, writers mode. So I’m picking up on things that normally as just a normal viewer and trying to enjoy the show.
00:23:19:50 – 00:23:26:54
Janae Ivery
I wouldn’t catch, but as a writer, I’m just like, okay, that didn’t work right there. Why did they put that in there? That makes no sense to the story.
00:23:26:54 – 00:23:42:35
Agent Palmer
But but do you so do you like, do you will like will you go back and watch Hawkeye again as, with your writer brain on, like, do you rewatch so. So you’ll you can consume things and you can, you can turn it on and off.
00:23:42:40 – 00:23:58:01
Janae Ivery
Yes. Okay, so when I first started watching Wheel of Time, I originally was watching it specifically because we’re going to do a podcast episode on it, but I literally have a notebook of notes for each individual, episode.
00:23:58:03 – 00:23:58:52
Agent Palmer
Okay.
00:23:58:57 – 00:24:18:07
Janae Ivery
And it was literally me with the captions on watching it pause right in my notes, watching it pause right in my notes, and then after a while, because it was getting so good and I haven’t read the books, we decided we were going to watch it first. Okay, do a podcast, and then read the books, and then revisit and do another podcast to compare.
00:24:18:09 – 00:24:29:52
Janae Ivery
Sure. And I was just like, I can’t make notes and write this at the same time because so much is happening and it’s really good summer. Just enjoy it for right now and then go back and rewatch and make notes.
00:24:29:52 – 00:24:50:01
Agent Palmer
So, Stephanie, who’s my partner who moved in with me few years ago, she and I have a very similar approach to podcasting, slash reviewing things. She was on a very long running, Gotham podcast.
00:24:50:06 – 00:24:50:46
Janae Ivery
Oh, okay.
00:24:50:46 – 00:24:59:49
Agent Palmer
And, obviously it’s no more as the shows. No. Yeah, but. Yeah, but I, you know, she would watch the show.
00:24:59:54 – 00:25:00:41
Janae Ivery
00:25:00:46 – 00:25:03:59
Agent Palmer
Straight through. And then she’d watch it again and make her notes.
00:25:04:04 – 00:25:04:41
Janae Ivery
Right.
00:25:04:45 – 00:25:11:22
Agent Palmer
I am that way with most movies that when I do reviews on my website it’s like I’ll watch it the first time.
00:25:11:26 – 00:25:11:48
Janae Ivery
00:25:11:59 – 00:25:35:07
Agent Palmer
Straight through if I’ve never seen it before. And then I’ll watch it again for notes like if I’ve already seen it, like if it’s a movie I’ve seen a hundred times, like a few years ago, I was like, I’m going to finally write about Jurassic Park. Like I’ve already seen it. So this is purely just for notes. But like when new things come out first time, always, always as just a consumer, just not a reviewer at all.
00:25:35:09 – 00:25:47:28
Agent Palmer
The second time is when I turn it on because it’s so, first of all, if if nobody out there listening has ever watched something with the captions on.
00:25:47:33 – 00:25:49:36
Janae Ivery
Oh, you’re like, you’re missing so much.
00:25:49:37 – 00:26:07:15
Agent Palmer
The difference is like even just the like especially the small differences where you’re like, all right, did they put the script into the captions, or is the captions pulling something else because like and it’s not I’m not even talking like something that’s subbed from another language, just English to English.
00:26:07:20 – 00:26:29:46
Janae Ivery
Yeah. It’s just so funny you say that because we went and saw Spider-Man No Way Home, and before the movie even started, all I could think about is I wish we could put captions on because I already knew the audience was going to go crazy for certain things that happened in the movie. So you’re going to miss a lot just because everybody’s going crazy.
00:26:29:51 – 00:26:36:10
Janae Ivery
But I’m like, there, there’s going to be so much we’re going to miss just because there’s so much happening on screen.
00:26:36:24 – 00:27:01:11
Agent Palmer
The first Avengers, the first Avengers, and I feel like anybody who saw it in theaters missed this line as well. Puny God. Right? Yeah. Right. Because, yeah. Because Hulk smash and Loki and everybody’s laughing, and then you see his lips move, but everybody’s laughing, and you have no idea what he said. Like, yeah, I know he said something.
00:27:01:11 – 00:27:02:44
Agent Palmer
What did he say?
00:27:02:49 – 00:27:05:29
Janae Ivery
Yes. Exactly. Yeah.
00:27:05:34 – 00:27:36:11
Agent Palmer
But but to me, that’s like, that’s, you know, that’s a reason to, like, enjoy the whole experience, right? Like, yeah, I can put the captions on or not, like, yeah. And it but it is it is a unique experience though. And you get used to it like I know there because I and I, I maybe I spent enough time watching subbed to series that were like foreign language things that like, okay, captions don’t bother me at all.
00:27:36:15 – 00:27:49:21
Agent Palmer
It’s kind of like just watching two things at once. It’s fine. Right? Yeah, but even if not, you get used to it. It’s like anything else. Watch your favorite movie, like, challenge yourself. Watch your favorite movie of all time with the.
00:27:49:21 – 00:27:55:18
Janae Ivery
Captions with the captions on. Yeah, be very surprised. Yes, I agree with that.
00:27:55:23 – 00:28:00:38
Agent Palmer
So do you, do you have favorite writers?
00:28:00:43 – 00:28:23:56
Janae Ivery
I wouldn’t say that I have favorite writers. Writing wasn’t a thing that I thought I could do or was interested in from a young age. It wasn’t until I was like, off in college that and I took, a writing class just because I needed an extra credit. And, we had to come up with, like, ideas and things like that.
00:28:23:56 – 00:28:32:23
Janae Ivery
And my ideas actually were pretty good. And I was like, wait, I have I have talent here. Okay, maybe this is something that I could dabble in.
00:28:32:23 – 00:28:51:29
Agent Palmer
So let’s go back for a second, because I feel like a lot of things hinge on just this. I need a credit. I’m going to take a writing class. So if before that, right before you made that decision, what did you what, like, what was the trajectory? What were you going to be?
00:28:51:34 – 00:29:15:21
Janae Ivery
I was focusing on drama. Okay. So all my classes, had to do with some type of theater or film appreciation or something to that point. Like I took a editing class. I took a photography class. So, I think when I signed up for that class for the most part for my major, I had already took all the classes that I needed.
00:29:15:26 – 00:29:44:24
Janae Ivery
So at this point, I was, you know, one of the lucky few who could just take random classes, sure to just make sure I got what I needed. So yeah, I took that script writing class and came up with a couple ideas and, they were like, these are pretty good ideas. You know, they gave me some advice about, like, doing more research and things like that, especially if you’re talking about a particular, thing, like dance or anything like that.
00:29:44:26 – 00:30:11:07
Janae Ivery
You want to make sure you know what you’re talking about and is being true to the story. Because if you’re setting this world up, you need to know the language of that world. Yeah. So, that’s where I kind of learned a lot of the basic basics. For the foundation of script writing. And then that just set off more fireworks about, you know, comic synthesis because I’m like, okay, so I need to think about this and this is the world I want to set up.
00:30:11:07 – 00:30:17:07
Janae Ivery
And like, okay, there’s pieces now. It’s a puzzle. And I love doing puzzles. So let’s figure this out.
00:30:17:12 – 00:30:23:42
Agent Palmer
So do you enjoy like the bigger projects then like as opposed to the smaller ones?
00:30:23:47 – 00:30:26:08
Janae Ivery
Yes. Okay. I definitely do because.
00:30:26:09 – 00:30:34:01
Agent Palmer
I mean, you’re because you’re headed on a path into a place where there’s everything’s big and there’s lots of moving pieces.
00:30:34:06 – 00:30:51:46
Janae Ivery
Yeah. I’m all I’ve always been one of those person, people who looked at the bigger picture. Not necessarily details like, okay, this is the bigger picture. This is where we need to get to. Okay? Now let’s figure out the steps by working backwards. Yeah. And then that’s how we end up there.
00:30:51:50 – 00:30:52:17
Agent Palmer
All right.
00:30:52:17 – 00:30:53:57
Janae Ivery
And now,
00:30:54:02 – 00:31:16:34
Agent Palmer
I know the the how has the podcast changed you? Because obviously the, the podcast is like yours. So unlike anything else you’ve ever done in theater where it’s, you know, maybe somebody else’s play and your, you know, your thing, like the podcast is yours. I mean, it’s not solely yours. You know, you have, but but it’s yours. Does ownership change?
00:31:16:34 – 00:31:23:03
Agent Palmer
Like how how is ownership changed things for you?
00:31:23:08 – 00:31:43:53
Janae Ivery
I take a lot more pride in what I’m doing because it is mine. So, one of the things that me and Amanda have in common is, like, when we do things, we’re going to do it to the best of our ability because it has our name on it. So obviously we want to put out the best that we can give.
00:31:43:57 – 00:32:25:14
Janae Ivery
So in that we’re trying to just make sure one, we enjoy it at the end of the day, because if we don’t enjoy it, then why are we doing it? This is something we’re doing outside of everything else in our life. Yeah. And then also is dealing with things we already enjoy and love. So being able to watch movies and comics, read comics, and watch TV series on Netflix with a purpose of creating something even more, it’s like it’s been one of the best experiences, but it also taught us and taught me like, okay, if you’re going to do this thing, you got to do it.
00:32:25:19 – 00:32:45:32
Janae Ivery
You got to, you know, dedicate time specifically to this writing, editing, watching different things, doing the research, looking at Tick Tock all day because this is a part of it. So it just helped me realize how more dedicated I have to be to certain things that I want to do.
00:32:45:36 – 00:32:54:09
Agent Palmer
So with that in mind, what do you want to do? Like is it is it is it writing? Is it directing? Is it producing?
00:32:54:14 – 00:33:06:21
Janae Ivery
All of it, all of it. This is just a stepping stone. This is I feel like this is a small version of what I could do with my full potential statue.
00:33:06:26 – 00:33:42:17
Agent Palmer
All right, all right. Well, I mean, because you’re talking to the king of wasted potential. Yeah. I mean, I mean, not now. Maybe not now. I think I think I’ve finally grown into it. But, like, if you had seen anything any teacher had written about me, maybe up through, sophomore year of college, maybe. But every any scholastic like bookend to my, you know, semester of any kind before then would have been, like, now not you know, he’s getting CS, but he could probably get A’s if he applied himself.
00:33:42:22 – 00:33:45:51
Agent Palmer
Yeah. Like I’m. Yeah, I’m that guy. And, like, now that’s.
00:33:45:54 – 00:33:47:39
Janae Ivery
Only all too well. Yeah.
00:33:47:44 – 00:34:14:50
Agent Palmer
Like, now that it’s mine. And I think to your point, like, now that it’s mine, it’s my show. It’s my blog. I think I’m living up to it a little bit more. I think, you we don’t rest. Yeah, I, I think I can always do better. I can always learn something. But you just, you know, I, I think in hindsight.
00:34:14:50 – 00:34:21:15
Agent Palmer
Right? It’s easier for me to let those teachers down than it is to let myself.
00:34:21:20 – 00:34:42:23
Janae Ivery
Yeah, yeah, there it is. Right there with you. That’s what it is. And is is knowing that, like, in the end, in the very end, it’s you. Yeah. So if it doesn’t work out, it’s not because of anybody else. It’s because you didn’t put the work in. And you have to look yourself in the mirror at the end of the day and say, did you do enough?
00:34:42:28 – 00:34:47:00
Janae Ivery
And if you did it and then it was like, okay, tomorrow we got to do a little bit more.
00:34:47:04 – 00:35:00:21
Agent Palmer
Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, I, I understand that we need breaks too, right? Like you need to be able to watch a movie just to watch a movie. It’s not not everything is, you know, a for more content.
00:35:00:21 – 00:35:01:59
Janae Ivery
But, yeah.
00:35:02:04 – 00:35:15:04
Agent Palmer
It’s really hard to turn that off. Like you’ve been doing the podcast for a little bit now. Like, do you now see the world as okay, well, that could be an episode. Okay. That could be like, has that creeped in yet?
00:35:15:18 – 00:35:36:24
Janae Ivery
Has that started before we actually recorded? Because even today, even today, Amanda is watching Encanto, the new animated movie on Disney Plus with their daughter. Okay. And she’s telling me about it. And the whole time I’m like, and this is another episode.
00:35:36:24 – 00:35:36:54
Agent Palmer
Yep.
00:35:36:58 – 00:35:42:47
Janae Ivery
And she’s like, and this could be an episode. So you got to watch it. I’m like, okay, done, done. Easily done.
00:35:42:47 – 00:36:18:44
Agent Palmer
Yeah. It’s it’s it’s really hard. Like, I, because because, you know, I set up the Palmer brand to be everything. So I could write about sports. I could write about movies, I could write about television, I could write about business. I like, I can write about anything, and I can have anybody I want on the show. So, like, I scroll through Twitter for five minutes and go, well, there’s three movies I need to watch that I could probably review, and there’s two people I should probably invite on the show, like, like it’s it’s never like you don’t.
00:36:18:49 – 00:36:19:09
Janae Ivery
Yeah.
00:36:19:10 – 00:36:39:07
Agent Palmer
Like, when you say you can watch a movie and turn the switch off right. I can do that when I’m doing that one thing, like I can just read a book or I can just watch a movie, but like in the rest of my life, no, it’s always on, it’s always like well that’s okay. Well that’s.
00:36:39:12 – 00:36:58:23
Agent Palmer
Why, why is that like that. Maybe I should write about that. Maybe other people have that question or like maybe I should have that person on like it’s, it’s never like the list of things. Okay. The list of things that I want to write about right, is probably as long as the amount of things I’ve already done.
00:36:58:28 – 00:37:16:25
Agent Palmer
And it will grow again tomorrow. Right? Yeah. And the the amount of people that I want to invite on this podcast is probably will always be longer. Yeah, it will always be. You know, it’s so it’s this weird like, all right, well creators always be creating I guess.
00:37:16:25 – 00:37:35:20
Janae Ivery
Like that’s what I’ve told myself. So I am a part of this community is called copy every day, and it’s just the basis of every day. You want to do your best, strive to, you know, reach your goals, do 1% every day. That’s all you’re asking. And not 100. Just 1%. Yeah, that’s going to stack on top of each other.
00:37:35:25 – 00:37:57:19
Janae Ivery
But just as much as you’re doing every day, you also need to schedule time, just like you would schedule an hour to go to the gym, you need to schedule an hour to do nothing. And so that’s usually what I do. I usually schedule it maybe the first thing in the morning, maybe it’s my lunch break and I literally I don’t touch anything on social media.
00:37:57:19 – 00:38:10:20
Janae Ivery
I don’t watch anything. Maybe I’ll pick up a book and read a little bit, but I try to do nothing. Just the least I could say. Okay, even if I’m doing all of this, at least I had my hour of nothing.
00:38:10:20 – 00:38:35:07
Agent Palmer
I, I, I, I, I, I come and go with that. Yeah. I, a few years ago, I kind of started getting back and I got into Minecraft. Okay. And that’s the thing where I can mindlessly play for an hour. That’s the closest I get to a nothing except, you know, as we speak, I’ve got an island and I’ve got a couple builds, and I’m going to build a castle.
00:38:35:07 – 00:39:22:43
Agent Palmer
And I got an automatic farm here and an automatic barn, like. So even in my nothing, I’ve got the two. Like, it’s really a because I, I agree and I think more people need that 1% approach. Right. Because I’ve been we, we all try and have the best habits, and the best intentions. Right. Well, like, but I know, as an example, there are things that I fall behind on and then, you know, it’s like, oh, I, I have, you know, so as an example, every time I do a review of a book or a movie, I take a lot of notes.
00:39:22:48 – 00:39:23:06
Janae Ivery
00:39:23:15 – 00:39:46:54
Agent Palmer
And on my website, I have a little floppy disk that’s called Agent Palmer Secret Files. And that is a link to basically like my own personal IMDb. Right. Like it’s all of my notes. It’s all of the notes I pulled because, you know, I might pull 30 quotes from a book. I’ll probably only use two in the review, but I still want to share those somewhere.
00:39:46:54 – 00:39:47:53
Janae Ivery
Those. So yeah.
00:39:48:02 – 00:40:07:11
Agent Palmer
I am, even though I try and I know I should, I am horrible at making sure that, okay, a book review went out. Did the secret file that accompany that go out? Right? Because I’m bad. And so, you know, it was a thing where it’s like, all right, I’m, I’m 20 behind. Just let’s just knock out one a day.
00:40:07:16 – 00:40:17:43
Agent Palmer
Even if I add more on, I’m only putting out one one post a week, so I will catch up. It will get done. You don’t have to do it all at once. And I.
00:40:17:48 – 00:40:18:33
Janae Ivery
Know there are.
00:40:18:43 – 00:40:26:36
Agent Palmer
So many and and there are so many people that feel overwhelmed. They’re like, oh, I have a hundred things to do.
00:40:26:51 – 00:40:27:41
Janae Ivery
Yeah, okay.
00:40:27:41 – 00:40:28:28
Agent Palmer
That’s fine.
00:40:28:28 – 00:40:30:07
Janae Ivery
You want one, one thing.
00:40:30:08 – 00:40:37:24
Agent Palmer
You just gotta start like that. It’s just that little bit like. And I’m for editing this show.
00:40:37:29 – 00:40:38:29
Janae Ivery
00:40:40:07 – 00:41:08:10
Agent Palmer
Five minutes. Right. Like if I sit down and edit five minutes that’s cool. Like my show releases every two weeks. If I do five minutes a day for a 90 minute recording, it’ll get done well in advance. And I’m trying to, you know, get ahead of the schedule. But like, I, you know, because people think about it in terms of like, oh, well, you recorded for 90 minutes, you know, on average, let’s say it’s 2 to 1.
00:41:08:10 – 00:41:15:01
Agent Palmer
So that’s three hours of editing you have ahead of you. And it’s like, well, yeah, but I’m not sitting down for three hours and editing it all.
00:41:15:06 – 00:41:15:29
Janae Ivery
Yeah.
00:41:15:31 – 00:41:27:23
Agent Palmer
Like just little by little incremental things like let’s, let’s be kind to ourselves. Like, I’m not asking you to run a marathon. Maybe I’ll ask you to run a marathon in a month. But not tomorrow. But not.
00:41:27:23 – 00:41:42:02
Janae Ivery
Right now. Yeah, that’s the whole saying, you know, the question of how do you eat an elephant is one bite at a time. You don’t eat the whole thing time. So, yeah, no, I’m definitely right there with you now.
00:41:42:10 – 00:41:52:56
Agent Palmer
Do you do any of the writing stuff like that, like the, the, like, you know, a thousand words a day in November, kind of a deal. Like, do you challenge yourself there?
00:41:53:01 – 00:42:24:41
Janae Ivery
I’ve been trying to get on top of that. Okay. I’ve always started and at some point somewhere I miss, like a day. A day becomes too. But right now my goal is just 250 words. It doesn’t matter if it’s on a specific subject, as long as I’m writing 250 words on that day, then I think for me, that’ll slowly build into, okay, I’m gonna sit down and write a page, okay, we’ll do a page a day and things like that.
00:42:24:41 – 00:42:37:43
Janae Ivery
So, that’s usually how I do it, especially with the podcast. I’ll sit down and write, you know, everything that we need for whichever episode. And if it ends up to being 250 words, the more I’m like, done.
00:42:37:49 – 00:43:00:25
Agent Palmer
Yeah, I, I started the blog as a writing exercise. Really? Oh, I mean, that’s because I, I needed to write blogs for what was my day job at the time, and I hadn’t written since college, which had been seven years at that point. And it was like, all right, well, you write writing’s like anything else, like you have to do it.
00:43:00:25 – 00:43:17:46
Agent Palmer
And so I was like, I’ll just, you know, and and so, I mean, it’s definitely turned into something a little bit more than that. And now it spawned a podcast and a whole thing. But like, for me, it’s not necessarily daily writing. But I have a habit of it now. So like, I’m okay. I’m proficient in it.
00:43:17:46 – 00:43:42:21
Agent Palmer
Right. Like it was it was weekly for years and years and years. And now it’s like, all right, okay, well, I’m a bit ahead. I’m always working ahead. But I applaud your 250 a day because like, I look back at that and I go, all right, well, there was only for four months I was abroad in Jerusalem for a semester in high school, and I journaled every day.
00:43:42:26 – 00:43:47:50
Agent Palmer
And outside of those four months, I don’t think I’ve ever written daily, ever.
00:43:47:55 – 00:43:49:05
Janae Ivery
Isn’t that crazy, though?
00:43:49:09 – 00:44:12:06
Agent Palmer
It’s only that. What? And here’s the thing. Before then, like before that moment in time, I had started journals and never lasted more than two weeks. So I’m lucky that those four months are documented. But even since then, I don’t think I’ve written daily. Maybe, you know, maybe there’s a week somewhere that I’m forgetting, but like, daily is.
00:44:12:06 – 00:44:17:27
Agent Palmer
I don’t know why, but for me, that’s the hard one.
00:44:17:31 – 00:44:25:39
Janae Ivery
I think is because we’re thinking of it in terms of is something that I have to do.
00:44:25:44 – 00:44:34:44
Agent Palmer
Yeah. But I but but we’re creatives. We’re always challenging ourselves to do that thing.
00:44:34:49 – 00:44:56:38
Janae Ivery
And I think like one of the things as a creative that I think a part of me has struggled with is especially when you’re trying to create something, a lot of times we don’t realize that we have to create a habit in order to figure out how to trigger it so that when we’re ready to create, we know exactly what to do.
00:44:56:38 – 00:45:04:53
Janae Ivery
But until we are constantly trying to actively do it, we kind of like, don’t, don’t really know.
00:45:04:58 – 00:45:35:20
Agent Palmer
See, and I, I wonder about that because, like, there’s a part of me that I, I don’t like it at the time, but I do, and that is, I don’t mind pacing around my house waiting for that first line. Like, whatever it is, it doesn’t matter the post. Like if I can get that one line, the other 253,004, the other words will find, I.
00:45:35:20 – 00:45:36:51
Janae Ivery
Mean the, the I need.
00:45:36:51 – 00:46:00:22
Agent Palmer
That first line. And as much as I hate it in the moment, I do think in hindsight, like I relish the wandering around, turning it over in my head, trying to figure out, like, where’s that starting point? Where is it? Because I know that once, once I pull that lever.
00:46:00:26 – 00:46:01:35
Janae Ivery
It’s just gonna flow.
00:46:01:35 – 00:46:02:14
Agent Palmer
It’s done.
00:46:02:22 – 00:46:20:44
Janae Ivery
Yeah. It’s out. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, I remember being in school and being up till two, 3:00 in the morning not having an idea, and then all of a sudden it would just click and then next thing you know, for the next two hours I’m just writing, typing, doing whatever I need to do.
00:46:20:47 – 00:46:34:08
Agent Palmer
That’s the story of every paper I’ve ever written scholastically. Like, I think that, and it’s not always the night before, right? But it is that like oh, oh, I oh, hold that thought.
00:46:34:13 – 00:46:35:45
Janae Ivery
00:46:35:52 – 00:46:39:36
Agent Palmer
Somebody give me a paper, I gotta write this down.
00:46:39:40 – 00:47:02:30
Janae Ivery
I don’t want to lose this, I need the oh my God. That’s why I always carry a notebook with me now because I realize that a lot of times a lot of the inspirations that you do get happen outside of, you know, your office or when you’re not at home, when you’re randomly in the grocery store looking, you know, a bottle of milk, and then all of a sudden an idea.
00:47:02:31 – 00:47:09:48
Janae Ivery
Sparks. But you have no paper, you have no pen. You have to just keep repeating it to yourself until you can find somewhere to write it down.
00:47:09:53 – 00:47:28:19
Agent Palmer
So I know there are people that swear by, like, voice recorder, but I just can’t do it. I. I need to write it down or I, I can I have I, I don’t I don’t know what the phrase is. I think I’ve trained myself. I can work on a full keyboard or a pen and paper.
00:47:28:24 – 00:47:28:55
Janae Ivery
Yeah, but.
00:47:28:55 – 00:47:39:21
Agent Palmer
A phone does not work for me. I can’t, I can type fast and I can write fast, but I cannot type with my thumbs fast enough to keep up.
00:47:39:26 – 00:47:39:55
Janae Ivery
Yeah.
00:47:39:55 – 00:48:04:03
Agent Palmer
And and there’s just something about getting it out and not saying it. Yeah. When it’s because I think for me, the disconnect is that you and I are having this great conversation and the words that are coming out of my mouth are the words that are coming out of my mouth. But if I wanted this to be text, I need to see it on the page or on the screen as text.
00:48:04:08 – 00:48:09:55
Agent Palmer
I don’t think I could just listen back to this and go, oh yeah, that works. Is text.
00:48:10:00 – 00:48:35:05
Janae Ivery
Yeah, no. And for me, especially if I’m writing a script or something like that, I’m not necessarily hearing the script as myself. I’m hearing the character as they how they speak, how they deliver it. So for me, a lot of times, like when I’m writing something down, I’m not writing it down in a conventional way of, you know, left part of the page to the right.
00:48:35:05 – 00:48:57:27
Janae Ivery
I’m writing, okay, this person’s name in the center of the page, as if it was in an actual script. Yeah. And then what they would say, and then, you know, where where the location is, what’s happening around. So whenever I’m writing something down, I’m writing it in actual script form. So to record it, it would never work for me or even typing it up.
00:48:57:27 – 00:49:00:06
Janae Ivery
It just does not it does not complete it.
00:49:00:11 – 00:49:08:45
Agent Palmer
Yeah. I mean, I, I think that more people should carry around paper and pen because let’s be real, it’s reliable.
00:49:08:50 – 00:49:09:46
Janae Ivery
Yes.
00:49:09:51 – 00:49:20:44
Agent Palmer
Like super reliable. I mean, except for the times when you don’t have it with you, like, and that’s, you know, you just that’s the creating a habit. We talk about it really just always have it with you.
00:49:20:44 – 00:49:22:21
Janae Ivery
And I always have it with you. You’ll be.
00:49:22:21 – 00:49:28:26
Agent Palmer
Fine. Now, do you have one notebook or multiple notebooks? I.
00:49:28:26 – 00:49:33:50
Janae Ivery
Have I want to say I probably got like, 100 notebooks in my room right now.
00:49:33:55 – 00:49:42:07
Agent Palmer
Now, are different sizes. Are they all full or are we talking about, like, I started this one and then I pulled another one out and I started this one.
00:49:42:11 – 00:50:11:12
Janae Ivery
Some of them are full. Okay. Some of them are partially full, depending on where they are. Like, I always just throw a notebook in my bag or my book bag or a gym bag. So there’s some that have nothing. Like none of the pages have anything to do with the other. Okay. But that’s just usually because I’m doing something else and it sparks something.
00:50:11:12 – 00:50:25:00
Janae Ivery
So, I definitely have some notebooks that are specific to whatever I’m writing about or what I want to write down notes for. So, yeah, it’s all over the place now.
00:50:25:05 – 00:50:54:05
Agent Palmer
How often do you revisit those? Because like, and I’m a guy who by as an example, right. I’ve moved most of my drafting into Google Docs, and I have one document that at this point is probably like 96 pages of like, working things. Right? So it’s, you know, I watched a movie and didn’t end up writing about it yet.
00:50:54:18 – 00:51:19:37
Agent Palmer
So the notes are in there or like, here’s an idea for a post and that’s in there. So, you know, when it when it eventually becomes a finished post and gets published, I delete it out of the doc so that 96 pages of like random ideas and working stuff. But I am I will admit, horrible at going back when I need a post and being like, oh, what do I have on page 87?
00:51:19:37 – 00:51:28:01
Agent Palmer
Like scrolling back like that? I haven’t finished that is just there for the picking. And I just yeah, I, I am horrible at going back.
00:51:28:06 – 00:51:55:26
Janae Ivery
I will say now with the podcast, I’m, excellent at going back because there’s so many things that I’ve referenced and written down because as time goes on, thank you. Marvel. More information just keeps popping out about different things and people’s theories. So I’m writing it down everywhere. And when I’m writing the scripts for the podcast, I’m gathering all of those notes and I actually don’t throw away my notes.
00:51:55:26 – 00:52:18:42
Janae Ivery
I keep them because they’re all dated. That’s one thing I’ve enjoyed growing up, having notebooks and going back and looking at what I was interested in, what I wrote down. Because even now I’ll go back and read a couple of things and I’m like, I was a very wise woman at a young age. So it’s just like, it’s interesting to see what things have repeated over time.
00:52:18:42 – 00:52:20:44
Agent Palmer
Okay.
00:52:20:49 – 00:52:24:27
Janae Ivery
Or just what I was interested in, if it still applies.
00:52:24:32 – 00:52:32:46
Agent Palmer
Well, I think those things ebb and flow really like I, I just started reading science fiction again.
00:52:32:50 – 00:52:33:23
Janae Ivery
Okay.
00:52:33:24 – 00:52:50:39
Agent Palmer
You know, I’m, you know, I got a bookshelf, opposite my desk, and I’ve got, like, you know, Asimov, right? And Bradbury and Clarke and it’s because I read them 20 years ago.
00:52:50:44 – 00:52:51:26
Janae Ivery
Yeah.
00:52:51:31 – 00:53:01:07
Agent Palmer
I’m just starting to read that kind of stuff again. Right. And it’s just. I don’t know where it went.
00:53:01:11 – 00:53:02:29
Janae Ivery
Like junior, so. You know what I mean?
00:53:02:29 – 00:53:14:36
Agent Palmer
Like, like ten years ago. It’s not like it had you asked me, I would have been like, I don’t like science fiction. Like, that’s not a thing. I would have ever said, but I had just gotten away from consuming it.
00:53:14:41 – 00:53:15:08
Janae Ivery
Yeah.
00:53:15:15 – 00:53:30:16
Agent Palmer
And I don’t know what. Yeah, well, I know what brought me back. There was a friend of mine who’s an author who wrote a book that was science fiction, and I read it and I was like, oh, I really, I think I really liked I remember him. Yeah, this is, this is, this is another one of my jams, right?
00:53:30:16 – 00:53:49:42
Agent Palmer
Like, that’s the thing. It’s it’s like, oh, okay. Like there is a pantheon because there are many things. It’s not just one thing, there are many things. And I have to give like and I think it ebbs and flows because we can’t consume it all all the time.
00:53:49:46 – 00:54:13:29
Janae Ivery
Yeah. Yeah. I definitely think we go through stages of will we kind of, okay. This is the one thing I’m focusing on right now because I’m just in it and then it’s slowly moves to something else because either we remember or we get nostalgic for something that we had. Yeah. Like, now, we just bought a bunch of the Anne Rice books.
00:54:13:34 – 00:54:34:06
Janae Ivery
Because that was the the first book that I became obsessed with in high school was Anne Rice and the Vampire Lestat and all of this. So to go back and buy the books and then read, read the books is just like I forgot how good this felt.
00:54:34:09 – 00:54:53:41
Agent Palmer
So what was it? So I’m I’m getting to a point where I do want to start rereading things like I’ve come to the conclusion that, especially when it comes to a book. And I think I touched on this last episode, like when it comes to a book, where you are in life is so much more important to your takeaways from the book.
00:54:53:45 – 00:55:04:48
Agent Palmer
So what was it like rereading that book? Right. Because obviously you’re in a different place now. Like especially if you read that first in high school.
00:55:04:53 – 00:55:06:01
Janae Ivery
Like, yeah.
00:55:06:14 – 00:55:06:38
Agent Palmer
Things.
00:55:06:51 – 00:55:25:45
Janae Ivery
Think in high school you’re just thinking about like, oh, how hot he is. You’re not thinking about all of the issues this person is going through. And, you know, you first think this guy is the bad guy. But then you turn around and you’re like, no, they were valid in all of their points. This guy is actually the bad guy.
00:55:25:50 – 00:55:48:29
Janae Ivery
And you know, that’s been kind of happening on and off as I go back. And I rewatch even movies like rewatching all those Spider-Man movies before No Way Home came out and just kind of like, wait a second, this is something’s not right here. But I think it’s just because, you know, now you have more life experiences.
00:55:48:29 – 00:56:11:50
Janae Ivery
You dealt with a lot more. You’ve probably had a lot more heartbreak, dealt with more traumatic things that have probably happened to you, or traumatic things that happened in the past that you’re finally starting to face. And you’re realizing, like, okay, you know, when people go through certain things, they don’t always see things clearly. They don’t always act with the most sound mind.
00:56:11:50 – 00:56:33:50
Janae Ivery
They’re acting out of feelings, feeling betrayed or hurt or something like that. So you, you kind of have some type of empathy for that person, and you kind of have a better understanding. So you’re kind of like, okay, maybe he wasn’t such a, you know, a douche in this book. Maybe he was a good guy. So yeah.
00:56:33:55 – 00:56:59:19
Agent Palmer
All right, all right. Yeah, I mean, I, I have a friend who swears by Anne Rice. And, he’s actually the one that turned me on to Terry Brooks, so. Okay. I mean, you know, there’s, there’s that for you. It’s a little, but I’m I’m excited to start. I think I was always a little afraid for some of those books because you remember them.
00:56:59:24 – 00:57:02:16
Janae Ivery
Are you from interview with the vampire? Oh, just in general.
00:57:02:20 – 00:57:16:07
Agent Palmer
Just just in general. In general. Like, you look back and you go, I loved that book. And you go, yeah, I don’t, I don’t, I don’t want to tarnish. I don’t, I don’t want to read, I’m afraid like, maybe I won’t like it as much.
00:57:16:07 – 00:57:33:51
Janae Ivery
But to me, oh my God, yes. That’s, it’s funny because you say that and I’m thinking about all the movies we’ve rewatched, especially now with the TVs that we have. We rewatch Cool World. If you ever heard of the love Cool.
00:57:33:51 – 00:57:54:09
Agent Palmer
World, you don’t understand. You know, you’re you’re talking to the wrong guy. I, I did an entire series that is still on complete on Ralph Bakshi. Right. So Wizards, cool world, American pop, coonskin. All every movie he’s ever done, I’ve written about.
00:57:54:14 – 00:57:54:57
Janae Ivery
Oh my gosh.
00:57:54:59 – 00:57:55:55
Agent Palmer
Love, love.
00:57:56:02 – 00:58:13:53
Janae Ivery
So yeah. Imagine it. So watching that movie as a kid, loving it. Obsessed like it’s the greatest thing ever. And then rewatching as an adult on these crazy HD TVs and you just see cardboard cutouts and you’re just like, what is this? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:58:13:57 – 00:58:22:52
Agent Palmer
Now, now what was that? Because I haven’t seen Cool World in about a few years. I haven’t seen it since I wrote about it. Oh.
00:58:22:57 – 00:58:43:38
Janae Ivery
It was a very strange, like you’re obviously watching it because it was a movie you enjoyed. And you want the nostalgia feeling of rewatching. Like, I watched this as a kid. It’s going to be so great, and we’re getting someone else to watch it because they’ve never seen it, nor like, how could you have not ever seen this movie?
00:58:43:38 – 00:58:55:42
Janae Ivery
It’s going to be great. And then you see the cardboard cutouts and just like the animation, you just like, okay, we did not need to watch this movie.
00:58:55:55 – 00:59:17:12
Agent Palmer
See, but I think I think it all. I think it adds to the nostalgia. I, I because I’m, I’m all right with it. I don’t need perfection. And I think, yeah, I’ve, I’ve come to that’s been a, that’s been a personal journey. Right. Like I have that note and I for some reason, it always seems to creep up like perfection is the enemy of good.
00:59:17:12 – 00:59:38:30
Agent Palmer
Like, yeah, none of us would ever be putting anything out if we were trying to make it perfect. So, absolutely, this is the best I can do right now. And I’m going to hit publish because I still want to share it with you. Yeah. As opposed to just keep keeping it to myself, I guess. Like. And what’s the purpose?
00:59:38:30 – 00:59:46:22
Agent Palmer
Like I guess at that point, like, I put this work in, I drafted these thousand words. I edited this podcast.
00:59:46:27 – 00:59:47:25
Janae Ivery
00:59:47:30 – 01:00:00:38
Agent Palmer
And it’s good. It could be better but. Yeah but it’s good. So why not share it as opposed to just be like well I’m going to keep this good thing here. And wait until like.
01:00:00:43 – 01:00:04:13
Janae Ivery
Because you’re never going to get better if you keep it to yourself.
01:00:04:20 – 01:00:04:38
Agent Palmer
There you.
01:00:04:38 – 01:00:27:19
Janae Ivery
Go. And people who truly enjoy that podcast, whatever you’re talking about, are going to give you feedback not only on the topic that you’re talking about, but also if they hear something off or whatever. Because one, they enjoyed it, they probably want to hear more. And they also want you to get better because it’s only going to, you know, help them enjoy the podcast even more.
01:00:27:19 – 01:00:39:17
Janae Ivery
So, yeah, I’m definitely a firm believer in just putting it out there and doing learn in the doing, because there’s some things you cannot learn in preparation.
01:00:39:31 – 01:01:04:18
Agent Palmer
I, I like that’s the like there that’s a huge takeaway, right. Like because I, I, I think that one of the things you don’t learn, like you can learn to write, okay. And you can write all you want and you can record yourself all you want. You know what? You can’t learn the fear of publish like the like, especially like, okay, so, you know, I’ve been blogging for ten years.
01:01:04:18 – 01:01:25:57
Agent Palmer
The podcast is two. Like, I like there’s no fear when I hit publish anymore. But when I think back on the first episodes or the first blog posts hitting publish was like, it’s all ready to go. All I have to do is click that mouse button, and yet I’m not right. Like, you’re just you’re staring at the computer being like.
01:01:26:02 – 01:01:27:38
Janae Ivery
Do I want to do this?
01:01:27:43 – 01:01:42:20
Agent Palmer
And then and then you and then you hit publish, right? And yeah, you don’t learn about that trepidation. You don’t learn about that beer. You also don’t get the exhilaration of actually hitting publish because there is all of that lead up. And then you’re like, but it’s out.
01:01:42:20 – 01:02:07:42
Janae Ivery
There, okay, it’s out. It’s done. Yeah, it’s out there. Let it be, let it fly. But I also think it like you don’t. Also you won’t if you don’t hit publish, you won’t get the amazing feedback because one of the things that made me even want to do more of the podcast was having my friends listen to it like, okay, it’s live.
01:02:07:43 – 01:02:35:33
Janae Ivery
You could go listen to it on Spotify or whatever, having them listen to it, but text me at the same time as the podcast is going and being like, oh my God, this was great. Oh my gosh, you talked about this. I totally forgot about that. Oh, that was so great. That feeling is like, that’s the whole reason why you’re doing it in the first place.
01:02:35:38 – 01:02:40:33
Agent Palmer
You.
01:02:40:38 – 01:03:03:26
Agent Palmer
The quick beats from this conversation are easy and simple. All of you should go experience your favorite movie with the captions on and never leave home without a notebook. To which I can also add, never leave for home without it either. But I think we did cover the concept of taking ownership very well and how in doing so, it changes your relationship to the outcome for creators.
01:03:03:33 – 01:03:28:16
Agent Palmer
But I think this can be generally for entrepreneurs of any kind. Everything is content through the eyes of a creator, and everything is an opportunity through the eyes of an entrepreneur. Or at least it can be. Does that mean you should do a weekly podcast? A weekly blog, right. 250 words a day? No. What it means is that you should do what you can so that when you ask yourself, did I do enough?
01:03:28:21 – 01:03:52:52
Agent Palmer
You can answer yourself affirmatively. This also means not comparing yourself to me or Jenny, or anyone else you see out there, and it directly relates to the idea that it feels like we’re always having the wrong conversation because of clickbait and social media. The clickbait says to do this because it works for me, or to do this because it worked for someone else.
01:03:52:57 – 01:04:19:13
Agent Palmer
But the internet isn’t really good at explaining why, because as a whole, clickbait works on the principle that the best headline wins and the content doesn’t really have to follow through. Don’t worry about the clickbait. Don’t worry about the internet. Did you do enough? Decide for yourself and set your own expectations. Don’t let anyone else tell you what your thing should be or should look like.
01:04:19:18 – 01:04:40:58
Agent Palmer
And when that thing is ready for public consumption, let us know. Because when you’re ready, you’re ready. And as cliche as it is, you will know when you know. Thanks for listening to The Palmer Files episode 63. As a reminder, all links are available in the show notes. And now for the official business, the Palmer Files releases every two weeks on Tuesdays.
01:04:40:58 – 01:05:03:25
Agent Palmer
If you’re still listening, I encourage you to join the discussion. You can tweet me at Jim Palmer, my guest, Janay Ivory at Jay Ivory. That’s Jay Ivory, her show Girls Go Books Deep at Jiggy underscore books deep. And this show at the Palmer Files. You can find Jay’s podcast at Girls Go Books, deep.com, or wherever good podcasts can be listened to.
01:05:03:30 – 01:05:22:04
Agent Palmer
Email can be sent to this show at the Palmer files@gmail.com. And remember, you’re home for all things agent Palmer is Agent palmer.com.
01:05:22:09 – 01:05:42:55
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01:05:58:21 – 01:06:00:48
Agent Palmer
All right. Janay, do you have one final question for me?
01:06:01:01 – 01:06:13:01
Janae Ivery
Yes. Being that me and a man, I have started our first podcast. What advice would you give us since you’ve been doing this for two years?
01:06:13:05 – 01:06:38:48
Agent Palmer
So I’ve been doing my own show for two years. I’ve actually been in podcasting for, like, I don’t know, six, seven, some ridiculous number. What I will tell you is this if you can keep your show open and and flexible to a point where you can talk about anything, have guests on or not have guests on, maybe do a solo episode, maybe try fiction.
01:06:38:55 – 01:07:17:01
Agent Palmer
If you keep your show and it seems like you’re open to those kind of, you can stay away from the number one pitfall that I see podcasters, especially independent podcasters, fall into, which is, as an example, we have a movie show. This is a movie podcast, but I really want to talk to that person. So I’m going to start a brand new show so I can do that thing instead of finding a way to have that person come on to your existing show, they they start we we start multiplying shows.
01:07:17:06 – 01:07:41:09
Agent Palmer
And what happens is that’s where look, there are a lot of numbers that have maintained, right. If you get past the first ten, the next goal is 50. Because if you you know and if you get to 50, then you should be fine, right? Like you’ve established yourself. If you can get past the first ten, you’re good. But to me it’s also not starting another one.
01:07:41:14 – 01:08:06:12
Agent Palmer
Yeah. Because, you know, I, I made a conscious effort when I started my show. I went every two weeks so I could keep the blog as weekly, because there was no way I was going to be able to do a weekly blog and a weekly podcast. I just know that. And I feel like while it’s exciting in the talking and the recording, people forget when they have the idea about all the other work.
01:08:06:17 – 01:08:26:17
Agent Palmer
Yeah, right. So my my thing is, if you can try and make it so that your one main show is your just main show, and you can do whatever you want there. And if you want to do a solo episode, then Amanda’s all right with that. And if Amanda wants to do a solo episode, you you’re okay with that or you know, anything like that.
01:08:26:17 – 01:09:00:46
Agent Palmer
If you can keep it as flexible as possible. So it can just be one show, because what ends up happening is those splintered things they tend to they’re not bad. They’re never bad originally, but then they end up splintering your energy. Yeah. And that’s a hard thing to do. And then people are like, you know, so my advice is, if you can just, you know, you can subtitle things, right, like, oh yeah, this or you can do thematic months if you want.
01:09:00:46 – 01:09:25:50
Agent Palmer
Right. Like, okay, we’re just going to invite other podcasters on or we’re going to invite other writers on for this month or whatever, you know, like whatever you want to do, if you can make your, your show flex able so that you don’t get the wandering eye and go, oh, maybe I should do this other show now. Now, if you can do it all in one, like more power to you, because that’s huge.
01:09:25:50 – 01:09:53:23
Agent Palmer
I’ve seen friends of mine and I won’t call them out, but like I’ve seen friends of mine who’ve had like up to four shows and then just burnt out, and it’s like, okay, I don’t do that, you know? Yeah. You know, be flexible. It’s okay. Yeah, it’s it’s all right. And I mean, the other thing is, I know, I know, I know, this is contrary to everything you’ve probably ever read.
01:09:53:27 – 01:10:27:45
Agent Palmer
Podcast listeners enjoy the regularity, right? Every other Tuesday, you can listen to my show, right? Every Monday and Thursday. I know Marin’s going to have a new episode, but podcast listeners are also very understanding. And if something ever came up, I don’t think anybody’s going to bother me because I missed a Tuesday. Right? Like, like your mental health is still and your actual health is still fairly important.
01:10:27:50 – 01:10:49:18
Agent Palmer
And whether the podcast listeners reach out to you and tell you that or not, they are understanding. And as long as you tell them like on, you know, if Twitter is your platform to be like, hey guys, we missed an episode. Like they are fine with that. Like there’s a that’s the other thing, I guess we as creators, we put an undue pressure on ourselves.
01:10:49:28 – 01:10:58:48
Agent Palmer
Like, I think I would be harder on myself for missing a Thursday for the blog or a Tuesday for the podcast than any of my audience would be.
01:10:58:53 – 01:10:59:35
Janae Ivery
01:10:59:40 – 01:11:04:48
Agent Palmer
That’s a horrible thing because like I’m putting extra on me.
01:11:04:53 – 01:11:05:36
Janae Ivery
Right.
01:11:05:41 – 01:11:13:35
Agent Palmer
That they’re not doing that. I’m doing that. So I guess be a little nicer to yourself.
01:11:13:39 – 01:11:15:23
Janae Ivery
Okay.
01:11:15:27 – 01:11:39:28
Agent Palmer
So those are the two. See if you can do everything in your one. So you don’t start creating pop up other shows and if you need a break take it. And you know this is the benefit. You have a co-host. And if you can find a way to do, you know, either an interview show where only one of you is there so somebody can take a week off or a solo episode, like you have these things.
01:11:39:28 – 01:11:44:50
Agent Palmer
And then I guess the third piece, because why not give three is if you can.
01:11:44:55 – 01:11:45:44
Janae Ivery
01:11:45:49 – 01:12:13:25
Agent Palmer
And you’re really a stickler for like well I don’t want to miss a week. Try and find like an evergreen topic that you can record and have in your back pocket, have an episode that’s already there. As an example, I have an episode that I have recorded with a good friend of mine. I don’t know when it will air, but it will probably air either when I feel like it or when I miss out.
01:12:13:25 – 01:12:37:12
Agent Palmer
When a guest cancels on me last minute, I have that. I also try and work ahead, right? Yeah. But I always have a back pocket episode. Also, every 25 ish episodes, I do an episode of collected one final questions so that I save until I need it, as well. So like there there are ways to reuse content too.
01:12:37:16 – 01:12:56:03
Agent Palmer
But I always try and have something in my back pocket just so I can weather the storm, right? So like, I can still be hard on myself, but at the same time, I’m not like, oh, I have to put out something tomorrow. It’s like, well, I have this whole episode basically ready to go that’s just been collecting dust, waiting for this opportunity.
01:12:56:08 – 01:13:02:23
Janae Ivery
Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah. That’s something I really good to think about. I did not think about that.
01:13:02:27 – 01:13:10:55
Agent Palmer
Yeah. There’s, you know, if you have other questions, I’ve got some answers. I will.
01:13:10:59 – 01:13:13:23
Janae Ivery
We’ll. Okay. Yeah.
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