Episode 94 features Rob Eskra, back for the second time. Why? To talk about what we do when we have free time.
And as you’ll hear, we discuss the exorbitant abundance of things to do and consume with the, by comparison, minute time we have to do them. Plus being a collector of hobbies, world-building, naps, soaring, and more.
Throughout the conversation, we discuss:
- Work Life Balance
- Music vs. Podcast
- Paralyzed by Choice
- Types of Readers
- Passive vs. Active Listening
- Walkman vs. Discman
- Commuting and Consuming Media
- On Writing
- World-Building
- Insomnia
- Children
- Night Owl
- Before Noon
- Sleepy After Lunch
- Motivation
- A Weekin Rob’s Life
- Too Many Options
- Flight Simulator
- Self-Reflection
- Soaring
- YouTube
- Introducing your kids to your things
- And much more
Mentioned and Helpful Links from This Episode
Music created and provided by Henno Heitur of Monkey Tongue Productions.
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Agent Palmer
Previously on Agent Palmer dot com. Genius and anxiety sets the record straight on a perilous century. Good night Max. You will be missed. And in order to combat the high anxiety that may have arrived upon hearing about the party’s lack of balance, we’re going to chill out for a bit. This is the Palmer Files episode 94. With the return of Robert Eskra to talk about what we do when we have free time.
00:00:25:15 – 00:01:14:18
Agent Palmer
And as you’ll hear, we discussed the exorbitant abundance of things to do and consume with the by comparison minute time we have to do them. Plus, being a collector of hobbies, world building, naps soaring and much more. Are you ready? Let’s do the show.
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Agent Palmer
Hello, and welcome to the Palmer Files. I’m your host, Jason Stershic. Also known as Agent Palmer. And on this 94th episode is my friend Robert Eskra. He’s back to bring some balance to the podcast. Last episode, we discussed a lack of balance in work and life with Jason Zapata focusing on the work side. Rob is here to talk about what we can do when we have the limited free time we have.
00:01:37:13 – 00:02:01:50
Agent Palmer
So you’ll hear us talk about the things we listen to and how we consume books in certain ways. What we watch and how to many options leads to less doing the thing and more of wasting the time. All of that and a whole lot more is coming your way shortly. But first, remember, if you want to discuss this episode as you listen to afterwards, you can find all contact information for Rob and myself in the show notes.
00:02:01:55 – 00:02:25:29
Agent Palmer
You can also watch Rob’s online shenanigans on his Twitch or YouTube channels. Both links can also be found in the show notes for your convenience. Don’t forget all of my writings are. Ratings can be found on Agent palmer.com. And of course email can be sent to the Palmer files at gmail.com. So without further ado, let’s get into it.
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Agent Palmer
Rob, you’re a busy guy. I think we covered the law school bit in the last. Last time you were on. But you were a busy guy then. And then you got into the working world and you were busy guy. And we went through the career changes. But you’ve always been busy. So I want to talk to you about free time.
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Robert Eskra
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Agent Palmer
I love music. I also love podcasts. Near. It’s really hard to listen to music and podcasts.
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Robert Eskra
I actually I.
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Robert Eskra
Have that problem. So I’m, I think we mentioned this last time I was on where I’m a collector of hobbies.
00:03:05:18 – 00:03:05:43
Agent Palmer
Yes.
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Robert Eskra
You are and and it’s that is one of my the like the biggest frustrations in life is okay I have especially now that I have kids. It’s like I have an hour. What do I do with it?
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Agent Palmer
Well, okay. So that’s important to to what I was getting at because like I also have a finite amount of time between all of the things I am doing. Like I might not be employed full time, but I have all these little projects. So like time to myself is like, okay, maybe it’s more than yours. Like I get three hours, but like it’s like.
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Agent Palmer
There’s a there’s I don’t want to put words in your mouth. But for me, there’s like this paralysis of like, I have this time, but I don’t know what I want to do. Yeah. And every moment I’m not making a decision is a moment I’m not doing whatever I decide to do.
00:04:01:08 – 00:04:01:58
Robert Eskra
Absolutely. It’s.
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Robert Eskra
It’s because then there becomes this, like, okay, you’re paralyzed by choice. There are too many things that, like, I want to do. Yeah. And so I have to pick one, but which one do I pick? And then. Yeah. Dwelling upon the fact that you’re spending 15 minutes of your, again for me like an hour. Yeah. And then at.
00:04:21:09 – 00:04:23:36
Robert Eskra
A certain point, like, if you go too far, then you’re like, well, I’m.
00:04:23:36 – 00:04:28:13
Robert Eskra
Just going to fucking sit here because especially like, like if I wanted to play a video game.
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Robert Eskra
Well, now I only have a half hour and by for getting into it, I’m just then I’m going to want it and then I’m sorry.
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Robert Eskra
I’m just going to sit here and.
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Robert Eskra
Same thing with like, a book.
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Robert Eskra
Like I’d want to finish like a chapter or two. And I’m not going to finish three pages and then stop right.
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Agent Palmer
I, I find that with the books all the time, like I only have five minutes. Yeah. Like, I maybe I would read more books. Like, I read pretty good. I read a decent amount of books. Maybe I’d read more if I was like, yeah, like read a page and a half. But I feel like, like reading kind of like a lot of things.
00:05:02:36 – 00:05:11:30
Agent Palmer
Like you get into a flow, like what’s the what’s the flow of. I read 15 pages in the last four hours, like a page and a half at a time.
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Robert Eskra
There are like, yeah, there’s like there’s like two types of readers. And I think both you and I are both kind of like, we need to, like, have a bit of time to read. Like what? One of my colleagues at work currently, I had this conversation with him, and he has a Kindle on his phone. And so he’ll when he’s, like, standing in line for coffee, he’ll just start reading and he’ll, he’ll.
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Robert Eskra
Like, even if it’s like a paragraph or two. But he burns through books like crazy.
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Agent Palmer
No. Like I, I because like, all right, I pick up a book, we’re going to go like we’re going to do an example here. Like I pick up a book and I start reading, like the beginning of a chapter, and then you call me. Yeah, I put the book down. I’m going to start the chapter over like, oh.
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Robert Eskra
Yeah, I know, yeah.
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Agent Palmer
I got a paragraph in.
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Robert Eskra
So I will say, I will say that I, I ingest a lot of my, literature. Yeah. Via audiobook now. Okay. And that is, it’s better to pick up and. Okay, I have to just run to the store, right. Or I’m, I, I did this in the past week, right? We we ordered pizza. I’m going to go pick it up.
00:06:21:56 – 00:06:36:39
Robert Eskra
It’s a ten minute drive down and back. And so I listened to ten minutes. And it’s all I need to do is rewind the past 30s to remember where I was. Okay? And I can move ten minutes forward in the book.
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Agent Palmer
Okay, but if you pick up a physical book, read a paragraph and I call you.
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Robert Eskra
Yeah, no, I got to start at least that page over.
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Agent Palmer
Okay.
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Robert Eskra
At least the page, depending upon the density of the book. Yeah, potentially the chapter.
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Agent Palmer
So I, I wanted to talk about the music and podcasting for a moment because for me it is I it’s like the worst conundrum, especially for me because I’m a writer and I’m editing podcasts now. So it’s not like while I’m working, I can listen to stuff like, that’s just not possible.
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Robert Eskra
Yeah. So unless it’s like, well, maybe, maybe like lo fi or something like that, something without lyrics, I don’t.
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Agent Palmer
I don’t yeah, I mean, I, I don’t really.
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Robert Eskra
Do anything that doesn’t do. I found it works for me for working or like I could put in again different type of work, right. Grading, grading. I can put, that or even like a Twitch stream. Sometimes I’ll throw on a Twitch stream and that’ll work. But yeah.
00:07:35:59 – 00:07:42:46
Agent Palmer
Occasionally I’ll put on a twitch stream, like, but like really low, like just kind of like. Yes, as a visual aid or something. Yeah.
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Robert Eskra
Yeah. Exactly. Even sometimes it’s it’s it’s so low. It’s like, you know, remember that like when you were a kid being put to sleep and the conversation in the other room, it’s barely audible. Yeah.
00:07:52:32 – 00:08:15:02
Agent Palmer
But like, oh music makes me happy but I, I still enjoy podcasts and I find this weird balance of like, like I might be a happier person if I just listened to a lot more music, but I don’t, I don’t want to give up listening to the podcast. Like, I don’t know, I, I guess it’s a statement of fact.
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Agent Palmer
Rob, I don’t want to give up podcasts, even if it will make me happier. Right? Well.
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Robert Eskra
Yeah, but that’s like giving.
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Robert Eskra
Up social media, right.
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Robert Eskra
That I, I get that, though. I know I’ve never been.
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Robert Eskra
The type of person that can just sit there and listen to an album.
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Agent Palmer
Oh, I so that I can.
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Robert Eskra
Yeah, I, I can never do that. I, I.
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Robert Eskra
I enjoy the way I’ve always enjoyed music is, is usually while doing something else. Right. Okay. And so like driving or running or like when I was a kid, I used to ride my bike and throw on drawn like my CD player in my pocket and fucking go for a ride.
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Agent Palmer
You are a brave man. I, I did it with a Walkman. I never I, I was like, I can’t stand the skip skipping with the Discman to it’s always a Walkman.
00:09:03:48 – 00:09:05:30
Robert Eskra
I had a really good disc man that.
00:09:05:30 – 00:09:13:06
Robert Eskra
Had a really DM’d San Andreas gift feature, and I swear to God, that’s how I learned every lyric to like Streetlight Manifesto.
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Agent Palmer
Okay,
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Robert Eskra
It was like, yeah. Oh, everything went numb. That was the album that I listened to for weeks on end, I swear to God. And that’s also something I do when I get a good a good CD. I will listen to it for weeks. Nothing else. Just that until I have like every song basically down and like I almost grow tired of it and then I move on.
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Agent Palmer
You still do that?
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Robert Eskra
I haven’t in a long time because I’ve moved on to, like. Yeah, I, I don’t remember the last time I bought an album or like, discovered a new band. I think the last album I bought was for Jessica, and it was, it was this was several years ago. It was for Christmas or a birthday or something like that.
00:09:55:08 – 00:09:59:51
Robert Eskra
It was because I bought tickets to the group, so I, I packaged it with an album.
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Agent Palmer
I mean, I no, streaming has changed it because like, I don’t really buy new music that much. Yeah, but I, I think I can name the last album I bought.
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Robert Eskra
Oh, I can.
00:10:14:01 – 00:10:16:32
Robert Eskra
Name the the what the album is in the band.
00:10:16:32 – 00:10:23:48
Agent Palmer
But it’s also been a very like, this is going to date me immensely when I tell you what though.
00:10:23:53 – 00:10:24:30
Robert Eskra
Yeah, go for.
00:10:24:43 – 00:10:34:41
Agent Palmer
The last album I bought might be the most anticipated album in the last 50 years. It’s not the best, it’s the most anticipated.
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Robert Eskra
But it does. Is it a Weezer album?
00:10:37:40 – 00:10:41:08
Agent Palmer
No. Chinese Democracy by Guns N roses.
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Robert Eskra
Okay.
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Agent Palmer
It wasn’t great, but it was the most anticipated because we’d heard about it.
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Robert Eskra
Oh my God, they’re coming out with a new album.
00:10:47:48 – 00:10:50:55
Agent Palmer
Finally, finally. Yeah, it’s actually happening. No, really.
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Robert Eskra
No, I get that though.
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Agent Palmer
And I don’t think I’ve purchased physical media since then. For music. With the exception of, I think I bought Guardians of the Galaxy soundtrack on vinyl. Yeah. But I love that because that’s like more of a collector thing than like that.
00:11:10:45 – 00:11:12:01
Robert Eskra
Yeah, I do like.
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Robert Eskra
Having the the fidelity of a good CD. I also because my car is very analog, like I have a base model Mustang from 2012. So like I still in order to plug in my phone I need to do like the audio jack. The it doesn’t. It has zero.
00:11:28:35 – 00:11:50:46
Agent Palmer
Bluetooth. My I have a 2005 Mazda three. My CD player broke, so there’s three CDs stuck in the CD player, so I can’t use that, but I can’t. But I did buy the the the the fake Bluetooth. So you like it? It uses Bluetooth with your phone to go to a radio signal.
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Robert Eskra
Oh that’s weird.
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Agent Palmer
And then you plug this thing in and it powers it to a radio signal in your car.
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Robert Eskra
Oh, that’s strange.
00:11:59:58 – 00:12:08:48
Agent Palmer
And you can tune it. So, like, if you’re in a place where, like, a certain frequency is already your station, you can tune it to something that’s not. And then you just.
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Robert Eskra
Have, like four frequencies or something that it like.
00:12:11:14 – 00:12:19:06
Agent Palmer
Oh no, you can literally use the entire spectrum. It’s just whatever’s whatever’s better for you at the time. But like.
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Robert Eskra
Yeah, that sounds like pretty cool.
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Agent Palmer
But it’s I haven’t used it in so long. I just listen to radio now, I guess. I mean, yeah,
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Robert Eskra
I, I.
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Robert Eskra
Honestly, I do listen to I’ve turned into one of those people who actually like, checks NPR every once in a while.
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Agent Palmer
NPR’s the first thing on I really like.
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Robert Eskra
Like NPR talk radio specifically.
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Agent Palmer
It’s it’s not bad. My local stations got I mean, I guess full disclosure, I’m on the local board for my local station. So, like, that’s not I mean, a little biased. I listened to it before then though, but like but we have some like decent like local arts and culture stuff.
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Robert Eskra
Okay.
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Agent Palmer
I, I’m.
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Robert Eskra
Talking like the big NPR stuff.
00:13:02:27 – 00:13:03:25
Agent Palmer
Oh, no. Like.
00:13:03:30 – 00:13:04:26
Robert Eskra
Wait, wait, don’t tell me.
00:13:04:26 – 00:13:22:40
Agent Palmer
And yet I should definitely, probably check out the the stuff more often than I do, like so many of you on the board with me that are listening, like, I’m sorry, but like I, I, I but it’s, it’s the first thing and then like, if it’s not news, if it’s just music or whatever, then I’ll just, me classic rock or something like that.
00:13:22:44 – 00:13:27:43
Agent Palmer
I used to listen to podcasts in the car when I had a commute, and I don’t even do that anymore.
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Robert Eskra
Like a commute helps with, like, the catching up on podcasts and audiobooks. Definitely, because it’s like,
00:13:34:47 – 00:13:35:45
Robert Eskra
Anything other.
00:13:35:45 – 00:13:56:24
Robert Eskra
Than, like anything under 15 minutes. And I had the two extremes when I worked at like one, it was it was seven minutes door to door. So it’s like it’s really hard to get into anything in seven minutes. Whereas like Keystone is it’s 20 minutes to a half hour depending upon the time of day. Yeah. And it’s that’s much better.
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Robert Eskra
That’s like a good solid chunk of time that you can really get into something.
00:14:00:00 – 00:14:20:37
Agent Palmer
Now, I know that podcasts can lead to audiobooks and audiobooks can lead to podcasts. I know that that works both ways. Yes, but I wanted to ask what got you into the audio form to begin with? Like, I can’t get into. Like, while I love podcasts, I just cannot do audiobooks. I, I just, I don’t know what it is.
00:14:20:42 – 00:14:25:14
Robert Eskra
If. I mean, I could probably tell you the first audiobook I listened to,
00:14:25:19 – 00:14:29:03
Agent Palmer
The was it was has it been a while.
00:14:29:07 – 00:14:29:40
Robert Eskra
The what’s that?
00:14:29:51 – 00:14:32:10
Agent Palmer
Was it recent or has it been a while?
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Robert Eskra
Oh, the first time I started listening to audiobooks, which I.
00:14:39:44 – 00:14:41:28
Robert Eskra
I don’t know if it was paid. I think I.
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Robert Eskra
Started with audiobooks and went to podcasts because, it was I had like a free trial to audible. Okay. And it gives a they give you like a credit, right. That’s that’s the that’s the free sample right there which gets you locked.
00:14:57:05 – 00:14:57:58
Robert Eskra
So.
00:14:58:03 – 00:15:20:35
Robert Eskra
I was at the time I was working up at the, the law office, which I’ve talked about. Yep. And I was commuting well over half an hour. Right. Again, 40 minutes some day, sometimes an hour. And so just anything to pass the time because radio was because I started out having satellite radio. And then I got a car that didn’t have that.
00:15:20:47 – 00:15:42:55
Robert Eskra
Okay. And satellite radio was great because like you, you had like a whole bunch of stuff that you can listen to. And the cool thing about the thing I had was that, like, you can save favorite songs and save favorite artists and so, like, it would constantly scan all of the channels. And if one of your fit, it would give you a notification on the screen and like, hey, this song is playing.
00:15:42:55 – 00:15:44:51
Robert Eskra
So you could like click and hear the song, right?
00:15:44:51 – 00:15:46:40
Robert Eskra
It wasn’t like you needed to wait.
00:15:46:45 – 00:16:07:17
Robert Eskra
It was it was great. Right? So I listened to that on the stand up comedy channels were like, fucking killer. Like 9 a.m. driving. Yeah, it was great. But eventually I lost that. So I was like, I need something. And audible gave me the free trial. And at the time, Nick Offerman had wrote a book. Okay, called Paddle Your Own Canoe.
00:16:07:22 – 00:16:13:39
Robert Eskra
I’m looking at it right now. And it was basically it was like his autobiography. It was like his memoir.
00:16:13:39 – 00:16:16:29
Agent Palmer
And did he do the audiobook himself?
00:16:16:34 – 00:16:17:10
Robert Eskra
He did.
00:16:17:12 – 00:16:18:01
Agent Palmer
Okay.
00:16:18:06 – 00:16:42:19
Robert Eskra
And it was and it it’s it’s fascinating. He lived he’s led a fascinating life. And it was, it was it was an awesome experience. And then that then I was I remember always wanting to read I’m American. So can you buy Stephen Colbert? And so I download the audiobook, which is of course, is read by Stephen Colbert because he won a Grammy for it.
00:16:42:31 – 00:16:43:54
Agent Palmer
Okay.
00:16:43:59 – 00:17:16:38
Robert Eskra
And which was also amazing. And then, America again, becoming the Greatness We Never Weren’t, also by Stephen Colbert, which was the sequel to it. So it’s like it was listening to Stephen Colbert in character read you this like satirical book about, like, social issues and mean. It was great. It was awesome. And then the next logical jump was to try to get into books in the first when I went to was World War Z by Max Brooks.
00:17:16:43 – 00:17:20:55
Robert Eskra
And the great thing is about the audiobook is that it’s fully cast.
00:17:20:55 – 00:17:25:17
Agent Palmer
It’s on my shelf. I haven’t read it. I haven’t watched the movie, I haven’t, so.
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Robert Eskra
I would I’ve never read the book and I haven’t watched the movie. Okay. But I will wholeheartedly endorse the audiobook version of it. And now it’s it’s abridged, so it’s a shortened version of the book. It is only six hours long, okay. Whereas most audiobooks usually are around 12. Right. So this is only six hours long. It’s a rather short one.
00:17:47:37 – 00:18:06:14
Robert Eskra
So he cherry picks chapters from it. But every the the way that the I’m assuming, the way that the book is done is very much like the audiobook is done. Is that the author, who is Max Brooks, acts as kind of like this investigator that is interviewing people post apocalypse, right? Like after recovery has begun.
00:18:06:19 – 00:18:07:10
Agent Palmer
Okay.
00:18:07:15 – 00:18:17:45
Robert Eskra
And but everybody he interviews is like another actor and there’s like Alan Alda’s in it, Simon Pegg’s in it. Like it’s this awesome cast of characters.
00:18:17:49 – 00:18:19:10
Robert Eskra
And it is so.
00:18:19:10 – 00:18:20:02
Robert Eskra
Well done.
00:18:20:17 – 00:18:42:38
Agent Palmer
So I got to ask then because I’m thinking sitting here going like, I believe that book was a gift from someone to me, like I did not. Yeah, I didn’t buy it, but here it is in my library, so to speak. How do you come to World War Z like it was? It was it a movie at the time?
00:18:42:38 – 00:18:46:22
Agent Palmer
Like, had you just heard of it? Somebody suggested like.
00:18:46:27 – 00:18:47:44
Robert Eskra
No, I think I want.
00:18:47:44 – 00:19:04:30
Robert Eskra
To say and again, I don’t know exactly how I came upon it. I want to say it was, I was, I was browsing and it was like one of the things that was kind of like just being sold to me at the time. Okay. But seeing that it was fully cast was interesting to me. And so that’s and I mean.
00:19:04:35 – 00:19:05:43
Robert Eskra
I always guess I.
00:19:05:47 – 00:19:08:00
Robert Eskra
Always sort of wanted to read it.
00:19:08:05 – 00:19:08:54
Agent Palmer
Okay.
00:19:08:59 – 00:19:16:17
Robert Eskra
And then having it fully cast was like kind of like, oh, well, it’s different, you know. Yeah, it it is, it’s very much like a radio drama.
00:19:16:21 – 00:19:18:49
Agent Palmer
I.
00:19:18:54 – 00:20:02:49
Agent Palmer
I keep thinking that especially when I edit this podcast or like edit other podcasts, especially because a lot of the stuff I do is like talk radio, like not just this show, with the exception of, like the solo episodes in this that, but like for the most part, this is talk radio, right? And. Oh yeah, absolutely. I go back to the last time I was on the campus that you teach on, and I was pitching my scene or defending my senior project, which is a one hour radio narrative, basically, which obviously I rerecorded for this podcast, but like, it was a narrative and story.
00:20:02:49 – 00:20:04:15
Robert Eskra
That you wrote.
00:20:04:20 – 00:20:30:10
Agent Palmer
And recorded and, and put music to like, I did all the things and yet I think I’ve put like four of them for this podcast in like almost a hundred episodes and like, I don’t know where the disconnect is. I don’t I don’t honestly believe that this is easier or harder. It’s just different. I just haven’t done it.
00:20:30:10 – 00:20:31:41
Agent Palmer
It’s kind of weird.
00:20:31:46 – 00:20:32:20
Robert Eskra
Yeah.
00:20:32:25 – 00:20:35:29
Agent Palmer
Yeah, I gotta wait for it. I guess.
00:20:35:34 – 00:20:37:42
Robert Eskra
It’s a I mean, I’m not a I’m.
00:20:37:42 – 00:20:40:14
Robert Eskra
Not a writer. I would, I wish I was.
00:20:40:16 – 00:20:43:44
Agent Palmer
Oh, you could be. I mean, look, you went to law school. Come on.
00:20:43:48 – 00:20:45:11
Robert Eskra
It’s creative.
00:20:45:11 – 00:20:48:20
Robert Eskra
Writing is different from like, analytical writing though.
00:20:48:25 – 00:20:51:07
Robert Eskra
So like, I mean, I can I can do analytical writing.
00:20:51:07 – 00:20:54:27
Robert Eskra
I’m not a great I’m not all that creative like.
00:20:54:27 – 00:20:55:12
Robert Eskra
I if I was a.
00:20:55:12 – 00:21:08:33
Robert Eskra
Musician, right? I mean, I you never stopped being a musician. No. But like, I could, I could read music and perform that stuff, but and I was in jazz band. I can’t improv.
00:21:08:37 – 00:21:10:36
Robert Eskra
Well, I’m not that. I’m not that hot.
00:21:10:36 – 00:21:13:00
Robert Eskra
On, on on an improv.
00:21:13:00 – 00:21:38:51
Agent Palmer
All right. But what I will tell you is this. Okay, I’m. I’m not really a creative writer anymore. Anymore. It’s mainly the blog. Yeah, but to that same, I don’t know. In that same vein, I could probably veer right back into it pretty easily.
00:21:38:55 – 00:21:39:56
Robert Eskra
And I think I.
00:21:39:57 – 00:21:48:18
Agent Palmer
Would just at all. It’s not. We’re talking about degrees of separation. We’re not like, you just have to sit down and do.
00:21:48:18 – 00:22:03:39
Robert Eskra
It and that’s it. It’s, you know, it’s I’m sure it’s a practiced skill as well too. Yeah. Well, it’s just like improv is the all of its skill, like practiced on it. I’d like to I would I’m not great at worldbuilding. Well so like, I would, I would need I would struggle there.
00:22:03:39 – 00:22:06:15
Agent Palmer
You don’t have to write a short story.
00:22:06:15 – 00:22:16:07
Robert Eskra
Like, yeah, I mean it’s I can I the short stories of the shit that I like to read the, the I’ll not even stuff that I have to.
00:22:16:07 – 00:22:29:27
Robert Eskra
Read but like the, the media that I enjoy, the fictional media that I enjoy. Yeah. Is usually something that you can tell there is a world behind it. Okay. Somebody went in, did the work to create the world just isn’t showing you all of it.
00:22:29:27 – 00:22:30:12
Robert Eskra
So like, I’ll give you.
00:22:30:12 – 00:22:50:06
Robert Eskra
A perfect example. Yeah. Right. And now so this is the John Wick movies, right? The first one showed you this glimpse of this world that, like John Wick’s character, lives in. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And it did it beautifully in a way that it was like there were like these little elements that you’re like, oh, fuck, I wonder what that means.
00:22:50:06 – 00:22:57:11
Robert Eskra
And where did that come from? That’s a really cool thing. Like the rules with the hotels and the golden coins and all of that. Right.
00:22:57:16 – 00:22:58:12
Robert Eskra
And now as the.
00:22:58:12 – 00:22:59:45
Robert Eskra
Movies have progressed, they’ve expanded.
00:22:59:45 – 00:23:06:29
Agent Palmer
Up. Yeah. By the way, I’m horrible. I own the third movie. I still haven’t watched the third movie.
00:23:06:33 – 00:23:09:06
Robert Eskra
Which is the third one, the one with Halle Berry, I don’t know.
00:23:09:06 – 00:23:11:26
Agent Palmer
The third one is called, subtitled Parabellum.
00:23:11:26 – 00:23:15:31
Robert Eskra
Yes. That’s the one with the Halle Berry. That’s the that’s the last one because the fourth one’s coming out.
00:23:15:31 – 00:23:25:47
Agent Palmer
Was the ones coming out as we. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I watched the first one. I watched the second one. I enjoyed them both. And I bought the third one and.
00:23:25:51 – 00:23:55:08
Agent Palmer
You know, it goes we started this with like, that abundance of choice and that paralysis. Yeah. Right. Okay. Well, Steph and I together have less free time than either one of us have separately, obviously. Oh, yeah. And we want to watch most of those things together. Yeah. So it’s like, what do you want to watch tonight? I don’t, I don’t know, like here’s the five things that we want to watch together.
00:23:55:23 – 00:23:59:52
Agent Palmer
And I do like any of it. So we’re just going to watch something else.
00:23:59:52 – 00:24:10:02
Robert Eskra
Like, we only have an hour, so we’ll just throw on fucking elementary or, like, yeah, some stupid just turn our brains off and then by 930 or asleep anyways.
00:24:10:07 – 00:24:18:48
Agent Palmer
Pretty much. Yeah, it’s I mean, I, we, we don’t have a kid and I feel like, you know, if depending on how things go.
00:24:18:52 – 00:24:34:35
Robert Eskra
Dude, just your whatever free time you do have, just disappears. At least for the first year. Now I, we did the two kids, so it was like we had grown and things were getting easier. And then we did. And then the second one, sure.
00:24:34:40 – 00:24:36:20
Agent Palmer
This isn’t tough enough.
00:24:36:24 – 00:24:37:45
Robert Eskra
What with the idea in mind.
00:24:37:45 – 00:24:50:41
Robert Eskra
Get all of the hard shit out of the way because like, there’s like, oh, do it. And then you have 3 or 4 years apiece and then you do it again. Just get it all out of the way. And now it’s all downhill from here, right? All the hard shit’s done.
00:24:50:46 – 00:24:52:08
Robert Eskra
Both kids sleep through the night now.
00:24:52:08 – 00:24:59:51
Robert Eskra
Which is great, right? So we don’t ever need to worry about the whole, like, doing the sleepless nights again. Which is ecstatic. I mean.
00:24:59:56 – 00:25:32:44
Agent Palmer
I mean, I mean, here’s I am I don’t know how much of this I really said on the show, but like, I go through bouts of insomnia that, like, I think I can. I know what you’ve gone through, right? Like, it’s it’s one of those things where, like, I’ve, I’ve functioned so well during the day or faked it enough that like, people don’t know when I’m unless I tell them people don’t know.
00:25:32:49 – 00:25:47:22
Agent Palmer
I didn’t sleep the night before. Now, the difference being it comes 7 p.m.. Oh, you’re a different person after not having slept and faked it through the day than you are having actually slept through the night.
00:25:47:22 – 00:25:55:59
Robert Eskra
I think the beauty of having the kids is that you don’t need to fake it during the day. Like you can just admit, no, I didn’t sleep because I have children and.
00:25:55:59 – 00:25:57:07
Robert Eskra
People are like, oh, worried.
00:25:57:07 – 00:26:00:31
Robert Eskra
All right.
00:26:00:35 – 00:26:14:47
Agent Palmer
Yeah, people get really, you know, it’s, you know, it’s it’s a great weird dichotomy, right? Because like, people be like, oh, Rob, the kids kept you up fine. And they’ll be like, oh, Jason, what’s wrong with you? Why didn’t you sleep like you?
00:26:14:51 – 00:26:15:40
Speaker 4
You’re. Yeah.
00:26:15:54 – 00:26:23:15
Agent Palmer
You could have been up for the same reason I was. But like, you have kids, so, like, you get a pass and me, they’re like, is everything. Are you okay?
00:26:23:29 – 00:26:26:37
Robert Eskra
Yeah. That’s right. Do you need help? Please.
00:26:26:42 – 00:26:32:29
Robert Eskra
It’s. No, it’s. And it’s. Yeah. It’s like I am a night owl.
00:26:32:29 – 00:26:36:01
Robert Eskra
I’m a bit of a night owl. Usually. I think my bedtime is usually midnight.
00:26:36:03 – 00:26:39:59
Agent Palmer
Have you always been a night owl, though?
00:26:40:04 – 00:26:44:35
Robert Eskra
Me? I want to say yes. I want to say yeah, because I can. I’m a night owl who.
00:26:44:35 – 00:26:47:32
Robert Eskra
Can get up in the morning, which is weird, I.
00:26:47:37 – 00:26:52:29
Agent Palmer
Okay, I used to be a night owl who could get up in the morning.
00:26:52:34 – 00:26:53:14
Robert Eskra
Yeah.
00:26:53:19 – 00:26:57:13
Agent Palmer
I am now a morning person.
00:26:57:18 – 00:27:00:48
Robert Eskra
Oh, I’m. I’m definitely not a normal, normal morning person.
00:27:00:50 – 00:27:20:53
Agent Palmer
Yeah. No. Like, I, I now find that whereas like in college, fresh out of college, I would have done much better starting at 10:00 at night and going till 2 a.m.. Now I’m better getting up at five, making a pot of coffee and then like getting everything done before noon, like I am now. That person.
00:27:20:58 – 00:27:21:13
Robert Eskra
I.
00:27:21:13 – 00:27:31:33
Robert Eskra
Do need, I did. So I, I will agree with you that generally I do need to get most of my work done before noon because in the afternoon I’m useless. I am a little bit in the afternoon.
00:27:31:33 – 00:27:33:39
Agent Palmer
Why? What happened to us?
00:27:33:44 – 00:27:38:00
Robert Eskra
For me personally, I can only speak to my own experience.
00:27:38:05 – 00:27:42:39
Agent Palmer
No, I want to explain why I can’t get anything done in the afternoon round.
00:27:42:44 – 00:27:44:33
Robert Eskra
In the afternoon specifically.
00:27:44:33 – 00:27:48:42
Robert Eskra
For me. It’s after lunch. I’m tired right?
00:27:48:47 – 00:27:56:20
Robert Eskra
And then like. But the eating makes me sleepy. Okay, so after lunch I’m tired.
00:27:56:20 – 00:28:17:55
Robert Eskra
Takes me a little bit and then it’s like, okay, so this is, there’s one day a week in which I get to like, just sit and do work. Right? Okay. Made the my current schedule is Tuesdays and Thursdays is all classes. Wednesday is my work day. I work in the basement and we have the nanny up with the kids.
00:28:18:00 – 00:28:42:20
Robert Eskra
And so for me personally, I wake up like have the kids schedule. They wake up between 630 and 7 every day. Weekend, weekday doesn’t matter. 630 and seven is when you’re getting up. Yeah. And so when you wake up with them, you know, you spend time kind of just trying to keep them cozy in the bed for a bit and using various techniques for the baby.
00:28:42:20 – 00:29:03:41
Robert Eskra
It’s easy. Pop a bottle in. Now for Rohan. It’s, sad to say, it’s he likes watching, Hot Wheels videos on YouTube. Okay, so like we say, cam getting cozy in bed. We’ll throw on a little video, right? I know, screen time. Boohoo. Whatever. All these psychologists don’t have kids.
00:29:03:46 – 00:29:12:20
Agent Palmer
I was going to say, yeah, I, I’ve, I, I’m not a parent, but I know enough parents to know like you do what works like I get it.
00:29:12:25 – 00:29:14:05
Robert Eskra
You do at this age, you do.
00:29:14:05 – 00:29:15:38
Robert Eskra
What you have to to survive. Yeah.
00:29:15:38 – 00:29:17:36
Agent Palmer
Theories don’t help you.
00:29:17:40 – 00:29:32:00
Robert Eskra
And it’s we’re very cognizant. It’s like. It’s not like I just hand them the tablet or the TV and just let them go for hours and hours and hours a day. No. Yeah. We do try to limit it as best we can, but, you know, there are times of the day it’s just like here, here’s the thing.
00:29:32:00 – 00:29:33:53
Robert Eskra
I need to clean the dishes.
00:29:33:53 – 00:29:35:38
Speaker 4
Yeah, yeah.
00:29:35:43 – 00:29:53:04
Robert Eskra
Well, you need to, like, not be running around the house for ten minutes. And so. But anyways, like, in the mornings, that’s like, you just come lay with us, be cozy. Whatever. Right. And that gives us a half hour or so and then you getting up and you need to change everybody’s diaper. You need to take the dog out.
00:29:53:04 – 00:30:08:11
Robert Eskra
You need to feed the dog. You need to get yourself coffee. Make sure that the kids are content. And then if you’re lucky, you get 10 or 15 minutes to, like, browse the internet and wake up yourself. And so that is on Wednesdays.
00:30:08:16 – 00:30:09:49
Robert Eskra
By that time, our.
00:30:09:49 – 00:30:46:45
Robert Eskra
Nanny is here. And so I can take like a good solid half hour of just sitting on the couch, like waking up. And then by 830 I’m downstairs or I take a shower and get downstairs. Right. So and by 9:00 at the latest, I’m downstairs ready to work. And, you know, I answer my emails, I grade, I put post stuff on the whatever alarms on Moodle, which is what we use, and get as much stuff done as I can by, you know, noon and go up, eat lunch, and then after lunch I’m sleepy.
00:30:46:50 – 00:31:13:43
Robert Eskra
And I know that in like, because it’s, what, one 130 and like three, two hours. Yeah, in two hours the nanny is going to be leaving and then it’s me to, to to watch the kids. And so it’s like I have two hours free time. Yeah, I’ve gotten most of my work done. I do have a couple things that I could do, but do I want to go or do I want to just.
00:31:13:43 – 00:31:15:44
Robert Eskra
Enjoy not.
00:31:15:44 – 00:31:19:28
Robert Eskra
Having to, like, think about my children for a little bit?
00:31:19:37 – 00:31:41:41
Agent Palmer
Yeah, no, I, I mine’s slightly different. I’m not tired after lunch. But for some reason, taking the time to stop and eat destroys my motivation. It’s almost like I have a motivation to train and lunch just does. Lunch doesn’t slow it down, it just derails it completely.
00:31:41:55 – 00:31:42:35
Robert Eskra
Well, yeah.
00:31:42:35 – 00:31:46:21
Agent Palmer
And I find myself being like, well, I don’t feel like doing anything anymore like that.
00:31:46:23 – 00:31:50:26
Robert Eskra
Well, yeah, it’s it’s a hard stop to your day, like stop, cook.
00:31:50:26 – 00:31:53:26
Robert Eskra
Or make yourself lunch. Sit down. Eat it. Right.
00:31:53:29 – 00:31:55:17
Robert Eskra
Yeah. Unless you’re doing something.
00:31:55:17 – 00:31:59:06
Robert Eskra
Shitty that you microwave for yourself and then come and sit down at your.
00:31:59:06 – 00:32:00:10
Robert Eskra
Desk, which I have done.
00:32:00:10 – 00:32:06:03
Robert Eskra
And usually it gives me like a little bit more productivity. But. Yeah, but at what cost.
00:32:06:08 – 00:32:06:35
Agent Palmer
I guess?
00:32:06:35 – 00:32:09:18
Robert Eskra
Well, that’s the thing. It will cost you your health, right? Yeah.
00:32:09:22 – 00:32:11:32
Robert Eskra
I so it’s yeah.
00:32:11:32 – 00:32:41:23
Robert Eskra
It’s I agree now Mondays and Fridays are terrible because like I with I’m alone with the kids for most of the day and their naps schedules are off. So like Asher, the youngest, he has two naps a day. Rowan has one. Rowan’s one. Naps starts somewhere between 1 and 2. Asher’s. He takes a nap in the morning, and then three hours after he wakes up, he needs another nap.
00:32:41:28 – 00:32:54:13
Robert Eskra
Well, he usually goes to sleep somewhere at around ten. Goes this wakes up around noon, right? So Ashe and then Rowan will go down between 1 and 2.
00:32:54:18 – 00:32:55:55
Robert Eskra
Asher’s not going down until.
00:32:55:55 – 00:32:57:51
Robert Eskra
Probably close to three.
00:32:57:55 – 00:33:09:59
Robert Eskra
At which point 330 4:00 rolls around. Rowan’s waking up, and so you get one hour? Yeah, during the day. And at 3:00, when I’ve not done shit.
00:33:10:04 – 00:33:15:10
Robert Eskra
I can’t get into work. Mondays and Fridays are wasted days for me, so I don’t get anything.
00:33:15:15 – 00:33:23:24
Agent Palmer
Let me ask you about naps real quick. Obviously, kids can nap. They’re generally tired, cranky, or excited.
00:33:23:29 – 00:33:29:42
Robert Eskra
Not my kids, but oh. Wait, no, I know. Yes, yes, they are generally tight. Yes. Yeah. You got you.
00:33:29:47 – 00:33:31:26
Agent Palmer
Can you nap?
00:33:31:31 – 00:33:32:49
Robert Eskra
00:33:32:54 – 00:33:36:02
Agent Palmer
Or could you like. I’ve never been.
00:33:36:06 – 00:33:37:48
Robert Eskra
Not purposely.
00:33:37:52 – 00:33:38:36
Agent Palmer
Okay.
00:33:38:41 – 00:33:54:14
Robert Eskra
I have napped when it’s like you’re sick when it happens. When it happens is when. Because it’s this weird thing and it happens to both just. And I now just can nap like crazy. She can. Like, if she has ten minutes, she’ll pass the fuck out. I.
00:33:54:14 – 00:33:57:00
Agent Palmer
Know she be functional after, like, because,
00:33:57:05 – 00:34:00:43
Robert Eskra
She needs she needs a little depending upon the length of the nap. She needs a little bit of reading.
00:34:00:45 – 00:34:06:32
Agent Palmer
Okay, I can’t. Yeah. If I fall asleep for even five minutes in the middle of the day, I can’t sleep all night.
00:34:06:37 – 00:34:28:19
Robert Eskra
Oh, well, no, it’s never for me the way the naps come. It’s specifically if one of the children is on my lap on the couch. Yep. There’s. I guess it’s oxytocin or whatever flows through through my brain, and I just. And I just passed out. Like I will start to my eyes will start to fade and I will.
00:34:28:24 – 00:34:37:27
Robert Eskra
And as long as they’re cozy, I will close my eyes and I’ll. And I’ll doze off and fall asleep easily. But that’s the only time anymore could.
00:34:37:27 – 00:34:39:31
Agent Palmer
You nap before, like, college?
00:34:39:31 – 00:34:58:33
Robert Eskra
No, I was never a napper. Yeah, I wish I was, because I’d get tired, but, the only other time that I did nap was while studying for the bar, because it was just an exhausting endeavor. And there Jess has a really good picture of me. We were in a study room, and I had just done, like, a five hour energy.
00:34:58:34 – 00:35:03:04
Robert Eskra
Like, literally just threw one back. Yeah. Kind of sat back in my chair close, but I.
00:35:03:04 – 00:35:04:23
Speaker 4
Just felt.
00:35:04:27 – 00:35:09:07
Agent Palmer
Stuffed. Start. Really good commercial for five hour energy.
00:35:09:12 – 00:35:23:29
Robert Eskra
It was again, it’s just by virtue of like how exhausting that that process is of like, you know, you’re studying for eight hours a day. So it was like the the bar exam was it was it was a unique experience that I don’t think I can emulate.
00:35:23:29 – 00:35:29:02
Agent Palmer
So when you do get a chance to decide, like I have a half hour, a half an hour.
00:35:29:02 – 00:35:32:06
Robert Eskra
Yeah, yeah.
00:35:32:11 – 00:35:55:45
Agent Palmer
Dude, this is a such a loaded question. But like, I find myself hating the fact that I have so many options with what to do with. Like, I almost missed when it was like, dial up internet. The three video games that can fit on your hard drive or like a book or a CD and not like, well, which streaming platform do you want to peruse now?
00:35:55:50 – 00:36:28:43
Robert Eskra
Yes. No, I, I so yes, the to answer your question quickly. Yes. Yeah I, I hate the fact that there is so so the solution to that that I’ve found is I try to early in the day kind of make up in my mind what I’m going to look forward to for my free time. Recently it’s been I’ve gotten into playing, a flight sim called DCS world.
00:36:28:48 – 00:36:42:08
Robert Eskra
It’s a military combat flight sim that’s, I guess, what they call a study level sim, where it’s like, you okay, you want to fly an F-18? Well, you’re going to learn how to turn the shit on, right?
00:36:42:08 – 00:36:45:22
Agent Palmer
It’s not just going to be a takes you off, literally.
00:36:45:22 – 00:37:04:37
Robert Eskra
Like if you if you went and downloaded an F-18 like user’s manual, that would. That’s the that’s the instruction for the game right now. Luckily, there’s many people out there who have created videos and guides and shit so that you can do it. And like if you sat me in the cockpit of an F-18, I could probably figure out how to turn it on.
00:37:04:42 – 00:37:09:15
Robert Eskra
Right? Because it’s it’s the simulation of the thing. Is that accurate? Right.
00:37:09:22 – 00:37:10:31
Agent Palmer
Yeah.
00:37:10:36 – 00:37:31:56
Robert Eskra
And so but that’s like because the reason I’ve been into that is because during the day when I do have the 10 or 15 minutes, I can watch a tutorial video, okay. And then at night when I have the two hours, I can put it into practice in the game. And it’s I find it infinitely enjoyable.
00:37:31:58 – 00:37:36:51
Agent Palmer
Do you have any actual interest in flying? Not like an F-18, but like in flying and flying.
00:37:36:51 – 00:37:38:39
Robert Eskra
It? Oh yeah. Absolutely. Like when I was it when I.
00:37:38:39 – 00:37:44:48
Robert Eskra
Was a kid. When, you know, after nine, 11, all of us wanted to join the military, right? And.
00:37:44:48 – 00:37:46:20
Agent Palmer
No, no.
00:37:46:25 – 00:37:48:11
Robert Eskra
Maybe it was just maybe it was just me.
00:37:48:18 – 00:38:00:43
Robert Eskra
And maybe it was just done. High school. Who knows? Because we were. Dunmore High School was unique, is kind. It’s kind of in the, you know, it’s right next to Scranton, but they perceive themselves as like Bumble fuck Rangers. And so like, you know.
00:38:00:43 – 00:38:02:11
Robert Eskra
There was there was part that like.
00:38:02:11 – 00:38:17:42
Robert Eskra
Patriotic kind of nationalist side of me that is like, fuck yeah, right. I’m going to join them and thinking about which branch I wanted to join, it was like, well, the Air Force, I want to be a fighter pilot. Right? Okay. I like Top Gun. I still like Top Gun. Like the most recent Top gun.
00:38:17:42 – 00:38:19:49
Robert Eskra
Was a fucking awesome movie. Yeah. All right.
00:38:19:51 – 00:38:38:56
Robert Eskra
I saw that one. And the just as an aside, I saw that one at theaters with one of my buddies, and it was the first time back in theaters, obviously, since the pandemic. But I came out of that movie and I was like, I’m joining the Navy. Like I fell for the propaganda hard. And actually, that’s what got me into this game again.
00:38:39:01 – 00:38:49:43
Robert Eskra
And that’s why I’ve been playing it ever since. But, you know, I’ve, I’ve always sort of had kind of like this sort of tangential interest in flying. I’ve always wanted to learn to fly, but it’s expensive.
00:38:49:48 – 00:39:13:36
Agent Palmer
There’s I, I find myself, look, self-reflection for me is always a problem because I’m going to find conundrums like, that’s what I find most of the time. Like, for example, I, I’m in love with the idea of like, NASA and SpaceX and the old Apollo missions. And I love airplanes and helicopters. I don’t want to be in them.
00:39:13:36 – 00:39:31:25
Agent Palmer
I don’t want to. I just want to watch them. That’s it. That’s the extent of it. I like I’m, I’m, I love them, I don’t I don’t find them mysterious, but I find them attractive and I. Yeah, but but, but I want to watch from afar. I don’t, I don’t, I don’t want to fly it. I want to watch it.
00:39:31:29 – 00:39:45:24
Agent Palmer
That’s it. Like, I like I the, the best example I can give you is I like I grew up with, you know, Airwolf and Knight Rider and like all that kind of stuff. I don’t want to fly Airwolf. I want to watch it.
00:39:45:29 – 00:39:48:13
Robert Eskra
Yeah, I want to watch it. And I find I also.
00:39:48:13 – 00:40:10:32
Robert Eskra
I’m one of those people who loves learning about that stuff, too, because, like, I find it fascinating, like the design and how it’s evolved over time, like. Yeah. Oh, and the technology that’s used and and all those things. Right. And I’m enjoying it now because I’m doing it in the comfort of my own home. But like, I’m like, you look at the actual size of a cockpit of like, like.
00:40:10:38 – 00:40:11:03
Robert Eskra
Even an.
00:40:11:03 – 00:40:12:08
Robert Eskra
F-14, which is like.
00:40:12:08 – 00:40:12:53
Robert Eskra
A giant.
00:40:12:53 – 00:40:15:10
Robert Eskra
Fucking plane. Yeah, right.
00:40:15:15 – 00:40:23:24
Robert Eskra
Like, the thing is huge. It’s the size of, like, a city bus, but the cockpit that you’re in, like, you can’t move your arm. No, no.
00:40:23:26 – 00:40:52:53
Agent Palmer
Like the, I guess the the best example for especially because we’re, we’re recording this in in early spring is like the form fitting like aerodynamics of an F1 cockpit where like you’re jammed in there and they’re trying to hold on to you. It’s it’s the same thing. Despite the fact that, like, an F-16 is that much larger than an F1 car.
00:40:52:53 – 00:40:53:13
Agent Palmer
Right.
00:40:53:20 – 00:40:54:11
Robert Eskra
Like it’s still.
00:40:54:11 – 00:40:57:16
Robert Eskra
The same sort of concept. Absolutely. The cockpit still.
00:40:57:16 – 00:40:58:12
Agent Palmer
Tiny.
00:40:58:17 – 00:40:59:25
Robert Eskra
I am uncomfortable.
00:40:59:25 – 00:41:01:22
Robert Eskra
In my car for a half hour.
00:41:01:22 – 00:41:05:11
Robert Eskra
I can’t imagine getting into an aircraft.
00:41:05:11 – 00:41:07:34
Robert Eskra
And flying for four hours each way.
00:41:07:49 – 00:41:08:30
Speaker 4
You know.
00:41:08:35 – 00:41:13:56
Agent Palmer
I mean, I guess, I guess a Cessna, then maybe like, let’s get you out of the jet. Let’s just put you in a kind of.
00:41:14:06 – 00:41:25:56
Robert Eskra
Yeah, I would like something, something bigger where it’s like ancestors. Yeah. It’s like, that’s like a car. Like the cockpit. It’s like still smaller, but it’s. Yeah, you you at least have a second seat, so you could stretch your legs out a little bit.
00:41:26:00 – 00:41:28:55
Robert Eskra
No, I actually I, I would for what was it.
00:41:28:55 – 00:41:51:10
Robert Eskra
It was like maybe a couple months ago I got into like deep diving on YouTube for a bit and there’s like a whole community of people who do the, you know, the gliding. Yeah. They and they, they tape them, they felt themselves doing it. And they like, they’re people who go on like eight hour trips, like just gliding, unpowered flight.
00:41:51:14 – 00:42:02:27
Robert Eskra
It’s nuts what they can do with those things and those things are like, again, it’s fascinating. And apparently it’s fairly cheap to like, get lessons. There’s a place.
00:42:02:38 – 00:42:03:37
Robert Eskra
45 minutes.
00:42:03:37 – 00:42:13:29
Robert Eskra
Away from me which I can go and learn how to do that shit. And like, you pay like 100 bucks and they’ll take you up that day, spend two hours in the sky.
00:42:13:34 – 00:42:15:11
Agent Palmer
And that is that. I would.
00:42:15:11 – 00:42:16:43
Robert Eskra
Try that. I would try in a heartbeat.
00:42:16:43 – 00:42:25:41
Agent Palmer
But is it as exciting to you as, like, the plane, like the mechanics, like, I mean, the mechanics of flight are basically the same.
00:42:25:46 – 00:42:30:28
Robert Eskra
But now again, the the things that you can do in like.
00:42:30:28 – 00:42:34:22
Robert Eskra
Yeah, a fighter jet or a hell of a lot more like cool up here.
00:42:34:24 – 00:42:36:29
Agent Palmer
Yeah. In your brain, in your head.
00:42:36:33 – 00:42:40:58
Robert Eskra
But like pulling nine G’s.
00:42:41:03 – 00:42:43:14
Robert Eskra
Even even like three G’s would be.
00:42:43:14 – 00:42:45:51
Robert Eskra
Like, difficult and uncomfortable.
00:42:45:56 – 00:42:49:40
Robert Eskra
Whereas, like, I could if I wanted to. I can go drive 45.
00:42:49:40 – 00:42:58:28
Robert Eskra
Minutes down, down, like down south, right closer to Jersey. There’s this airfield in which they do it. They told you behind a Cessna.
00:42:58:35 – 00:42:59:07
Agent Palmer
Okay.
00:42:59:07 – 00:43:06:34
Robert Eskra
They get you up to 10,000ft and they let you loose, and you just fly in circles for for an hour or two, and then you land.
00:43:06:39 – 00:43:08:01
Robert Eskra
And it’s like you still get that.
00:43:08:01 – 00:43:11:21
Robert Eskra
Experience of like, they call it soaring.
00:43:11:21 – 00:43:11:41
Agent Palmer
Okay.
00:43:11:48 – 00:43:12:28
Robert Eskra
Sure. Yeah.
00:43:12:28 – 00:43:15:46
Robert Eskra
The verb that they use for the hobby,
00:43:15:51 – 00:43:19:55
Robert Eskra
But it’s like you still get that and you can still like, like they have racing.
00:43:19:55 – 00:43:25:02
Robert Eskra
Events with it to where like, and it’s not right. You’re not going like 600. Not.
00:43:25:03 – 00:43:25:41
Speaker 4
Yeah.
00:43:25:46 – 00:43:29:13
Robert Eskra
But you’re still traveling like I think the top.
00:43:29:13 – 00:43:33:46
Robert Eskra
Speed of one of those things like for like the really designer ones. Yeah.
00:43:33:59 – 00:43:40:22
Robert Eskra
Like they can still fly like 180 knots, which is fucking fast.
00:43:40:27 – 00:43:45:17
Agent Palmer
That’s that’s just sick. I just know I’m, I’m. No, I’m.
00:43:45:22 – 00:43:51:00
Robert Eskra
Like that’s can you imagine like unpowered. You’re still going close to 200 miles an hour.
00:43:51:02 – 00:44:02:47
Agent Palmer
Yeah. Well that’s the problem for me is because it’s unpowered. So I’m not slowing like it. It’s it’s not even like skiing where, like, you can do the whole pizza. Yeah. All you could slow down.
00:44:03:01 – 00:44:04:27
Robert Eskra
Like they’re designed in a.
00:44:04:27 – 00:44:09:48
Robert Eskra
Way that basically, for every 100ft you travel forward, you only drop about a foot.
00:44:09:53 – 00:44:13:04
Agent Palmer
But what if you want to slow down the vertical?
00:44:13:04 – 00:44:13:42
Robert Eskra
The vert.
00:44:13:47 – 00:44:38:06
Robert Eskra
And so this is what this is why I got into like the deep dive on YouTube is because they there. If once you get really good at it right, once you become experienced, yeah, you could essentially stay in the sky as long as you want to by virtue of using updrafts. Sure. And and the real art of it is spotting the updrafts because apparently once you know what to look for, they’re really easy to spot as long as the conditions are right.
00:44:38:10 – 00:45:07:00
Robert Eskra
And so, like, you go out on a day when you’re like, all right, these are the conditions where like, I can find them fairly easily. And you could you can go and you could. There’s this one guy, I can’t remember his name, but he did, a circuit essentially. He flew from like, he basically flew the entire length of Germany, like from one end of the country to the other in this unpowered aircraft, because he just kept finding the spots.
00:45:07:00 – 00:45:14:33
Robert Eskra
Yeah. Where he can. And what he would do is he’d find a spot with a good updraft and he’d go in circles to get some altitude, and then he’d move.
00:45:14:33 – 00:45:15:24
Agent Palmer
On to the next one.
00:45:15:27 – 00:45:25:53
Robert Eskra
And he’d cruise, and he’d find the next one and do the same thing. It’s nuts. It’s insane what some of those are saying. And now, like, obviously that’s not anything that I would be looking forward to do, but I’d love to just be able even.
00:45:25:53 – 00:45:27:10
Robert Eskra
Just to go on and fly in a couple.
00:45:27:10 – 00:45:29:12
Robert Eskra
Circles for, for like an hour or two.
00:45:29:16 – 00:45:31:30
Robert Eskra
It would be awesome.
00:45:31:35 – 00:45:38:36
Agent Palmer
It’s used to you talk about this deep dive, and it’s one of the things that I feel like YouTube does, right?
00:45:38:41 – 00:45:44:36
Robert Eskra
Oh yeah. Yeah, it knows how to keep you. That’s for sure.
00:45:44:41 – 00:45:51:08
Agent Palmer
Meanwhile, I’m like, my my YouTube algorithm is still just like Minecraft videos.
00:45:51:13 – 00:45:56:06
Robert Eskra
Oh, mine it mine is all fucked because of my children. It’s mostly kid stuff now.
00:45:56:11 – 00:46:05:09
Agent Palmer
Oh, like how? I mean, you don’t have a separate profile for them so you can have your own.
00:46:05:11 – 00:46:08:16
Robert Eskra
I should have done it once upon a time, but it’s too late now.
00:46:08:16 – 00:46:11:59
Agent Palmer
I mean, you can start your own profile. I guess I have.
00:46:11:59 – 00:46:15:51
Robert Eskra
My own bro. That’s the thing is, all my devices are signed into that.
00:46:15:56 – 00:46:27:12
Agent Palmer
Oh, no. I mean, like, you could start over again with, like, your own, like, my my Rob, my new Rob profile where I can get stuff for me again.
00:46:27:16 – 00:46:39:57
Robert Eskra
Oh, that’s that’s too much of a hassle. I know eventually they’ll get their own, and then it’ll just revert back eventually. But it’s for right now, I’m just dealing with the fact that my my YouTube algorithm has all sorts of fucked.
00:46:40:02 – 00:46:42:07
Robert Eskra
Which is a blessing. And it’s in.
00:46:42:07 – 00:46:48:07
Robert Eskra
In a way that, like, you know, it can’t suck me in, okay. Because I’m not interested or stuff.
00:46:48:11 – 00:46:49:51
Speaker 4
It’s all for me.
00:46:49:55 – 00:47:00:53
Agent Palmer
I mean, you do also get to see what your kids are. I mean, I guess that’s the other thing too. Like, anything that’s not for you is probably being algorithm to for your kids. And you get to see that when you load it.
00:47:00:53 – 00:47:30:43
Robert Eskra
It’s all it’s all kids songs. It’s this I also had have subscribed to a couple particular channels that it seems like we always kind of lend to. One of them is this channel called 20 trucks, which it’s, it’s a father whose kid loved trucks. And so he wrote songs about trucks. And then he started posting them. And he’s now like, I mean, the videos have millions of views because of kids like my my son round will watch.
00:47:30:48 – 00:47:32:52
Robert Eskra
He’ll he’ll call him up by name. He knows he.
00:47:32:52 – 00:47:37:07
Robert Eskra
Knows like the the bucket truck.
00:47:37:22 – 00:47:39:37
Robert Eskra
Right. You know the the cherry pickers. Yeah.
00:47:39:42 – 00:47:43:27
Robert Eskra
Right. There’s a song about bucket trucks and he’ll want in the morning.
00:47:43:27 – 00:47:47:04
Robert Eskra
Bucket truck, bucket truck. All right, put on a bucket truck and they’ll sit there.
00:47:47:17 – 00:47:48:15
Robert Eskra
And the song.
00:47:48:20 – 00:47:55:08
Robert Eskra
But bucket drug the bucket truck. Like that’s the song. But they’re educational too, because.
00:47:55:08 – 00:47:57:45
Robert Eskra
Then they teach you about what the trucks do.
00:47:57:46 – 00:47:59:06
Agent Palmer
Yeah. Okay.
00:47:59:11 – 00:48:00:03
Robert Eskra
And so like.
00:48:00:03 – 00:48:00:30
Robert Eskra
There’s that.
00:48:00:30 – 00:48:14:18
Robert Eskra
One, there’s like the, what is it, the, the road roller, the, Oh, what’s the one that he’s, he’s into recently the, tunnel boring machine.
00:48:14:23 – 00:48:20:53
Robert Eskra
Like, you know, the big fucking things. He’s. I think the subways. Yeah. Like there’s a song on that one. It’s it’s fascinating.
00:48:20:53 – 00:48:34:59
Agent Palmer
You know, man, like I’m kind of happy that we didn’t have this, but at the same time, like, I’m kind of jealous because, like, that would have been cool to have, like, that kind of.
00:48:35:03 – 00:48:44:01
Robert Eskra
Kind of definitely more jealous than I am, like, because I remember having, like the, the VHS of like the, the trucks.
00:48:44:03 – 00:48:44:39
Agent Palmer
Yeah.
00:48:44:44 – 00:48:46:17
Robert Eskra
Big trucks for kids, right?
00:48:46:21 – 00:48:51:28
Agent Palmer
Yeah. But that’s all it was. It wasn’t first of all, it was like 45 minutes.
00:48:51:32 – 00:48:52:38
Robert Eskra
Yeah.
00:48:52:43 – 00:48:56:33
Agent Palmer
It wasn’t even a full like 90. They’re not even like the full tape.
00:48:56:38 – 00:49:03:41
Robert Eskra
45 minutes and you, you’d burn through it. You’d watch it over and over and over again. Eventually the tape was done.
00:49:03:46 – 00:49:20:20
Agent Palmer
Now, I do want to ask because it’s just I don’t have kids and I’ve always thought like, well, if I have a kid, like, I’m going to try and get them to like, watch my kids stuff. Have you made this attempt? Like I’m thinking, like, you know, the Tiny Toons, the Smurfs, the the, it works.
00:49:20:20 – 00:49:47:04
Robert Eskra
Some of it doesn’t. Okay. One of the things that has worked with Rowan is Batman The Animated Series. Right? Batman. I started him with you have to do it like you have to introduce them to the concept of the thing first. Okay? Then introduce them to your version of it. So like for Rowan, there’s a, there’s an animated Batman series called Batman The Brave and the bold, which is brilliant, by the way.
00:49:47:13 – 00:50:08:58
Robert Eskra
Okay. It’s it’s a brilliant version. It’s a cartoony, can’t be kind of kid’s version of Batman, but it’s still like solid Batman stories, right? Okay. He also has a book called five five minute Batman stories, and they’re like, again, sort of campy comic book Batman fights Joker or Batman fights Riddler, right? Yep. And he’ll read we’ll read those at night.
00:50:09:03 – 00:50:14:59
Robert Eskra
And then I introduced him to Batman The Animated Series, and he was in it. He was like, he was.
00:50:14:59 – 00:50:17:01
Robert Eskra
Great because he recognized Batman.
00:50:17:10 – 00:50:20:38
Agent Palmer
Okay. And as opposed to just being like, oh, here’s Batman.
00:50:20:53 – 00:50:37:34
Robert Eskra
Yes, you have to introduce him to the concept of Batman throughout through some other means first, and then you get it. So now, like one another, one of the shows that we do watch is, oh, I’m trying to get him into Star Wars a little bit. So we have the book right now.
00:50:37:34 – 00:50:38:43
Robert Eskra
Before I can even get.
00:50:38:43 – 00:50:57:18
Robert Eskra
Him to the movies. I need to do the other stuff first. Right. So we have a couple books. We have a couple of, like, those gold fine books. The gold books, you know. Yeah. We have a five minute Star Wars. He knows the characters. He starts to recognize them. Right? Like, so we were in target the other day and there was a Darth Vader shirt.
00:50:57:22 – 00:51:08:30
Robert Eskra
I said, Ron, who’s that? And he was Darth Vader, like, so he knows. He knows the characters. And so now every once in a while, I’ll throw out the Clone Wars series, because that’s kind of like for kids.
00:51:08:30 – 00:51:10:11
Agent Palmer
Yeah.
00:51:10:16 – 00:51:23:17
Robert Eskra
And eventually, like, I don’t really want to sit him down and watch the movies with him until he’s old enough to understand them. But I will every once in a while, throw on, like, some of the prequel movies, because, again, they’re sort of campy.
00:51:23:22 – 00:51:28:15
Agent Palmer
Oh yeah. Yeah yeah yeah. They’re they’re they’re not sort of campy. They’re they’re campy.
00:51:28:30 – 00:51:29:26
Robert Eskra
Yeah. They’re cute.
00:51:29:31 – 00:51:30:30
Robert Eskra
But he did I was.
00:51:30:30 – 00:51:48:49
Robert Eskra
Watching, The Book of Boba Fett, the season finale of Book of Boba Fett. And it was during their nap. Right? Yeah. And then it was like the last ten minutes of the last episode, and Ron woke up. So I was like, I’m just going to put him on my lap and finish the rest of it. And he was enthralled in it.
00:51:48:54 – 00:52:01:14
Robert Eskra
No, it was like blasters and shit and like, you know, it was an action scene. So of course, flashing lights and music and yeah, of course that was but he, he was in it. And so like, I have hope that it’ll stick.
00:52:01:19 – 00:52:02:00
Robert Eskra
And if it doesn’t.
00:52:02:00 – 00:52:02:52
Robert Eskra
It doesn’t, you know.
00:52:02:52 – 00:52:03:51
Robert Eskra
But I do, I do.
00:52:03:51 – 00:52:17:10
Robert Eskra
Star Wars is and Batman Batman definitely stock though he likes Batman or.
00:52:17:15 – 00:52:45:29
Agent Palmer
Now everyone has varying degrees of free time and obviously some more than others. But the abundance of choices currently exponentially larger than our time to consume whatever it is we choose. Period. The end. Is this good? Is this bad? That’s probably for the historians to determine for our culture overall, but for us individually, it’s a personal battle. Sometimes it is good to do nothing.
00:52:45:36 – 00:53:06:07
Agent Palmer
Sometimes too. Idle is the best thing you can do. Other times balance can be found or is necessary. Whether you choose to do something new, like going to an airfield to learn how to soar in the air for an extended period of time, or picking up a book, listening to an album or a podcast. Do what you need to.
00:53:06:12 – 00:53:27:21
Agent Palmer
Even a sometimes overachiever workaholic like myself needs to spend some idle time every now and again. Often this idle time is the paralysis of not knowing what to do next, either for a project or just for entertainment purposes. That’s fine. There’s nothing wrong with idle. So I thank you for spending some of your time with myself and Rob.
00:53:27:34 – 00:53:48:22
Agent Palmer
I hope you don’t dwell too much on the in between and you are on to the next thing for either work or for fun sooner than later. Just know that you aren’t alone. We’re all overwhelmed with everything. Thanks for listening to The Palmer Files episode 94. And now for the official business. The Palmer Files releases every two weeks on Tuesdays.
00:53:48:29 – 00:54:20:48
Agent Palmer
If you’re still listening, I encourage you to join the discussion. You can find all related ways to contact myself and my guest, Robert Eskra in the show notes. There you can find more information about Rob’s online shenanigans, whether it be his Twitch or YouTube channels. Email can be sent to this show at the Palmer Files at gmail.com. And remember, you’re home for all things Agent Palmer is Agent palmer.com.
00:54:20:53 – 00:54:28:55
Unknown
You.
00:54:29:00 – 00:54:37:12
Unknown
See?
00:54:37:16 – 00:54:55:21
Unknown
Me?
00:54:55:26 – 00:54:58:28
Agent Palmer
All right. Rob, do you have one final question for me?
00:54:58:33 – 00:55:01:01
Robert Eskra
I do.
00:55:01:06 – 00:55:11:34
Robert Eskra
It’s kind of like a two parter. Sure. All right, well, first, do you want kids? Second boy or girl? Or if it’s multiple, obviously.
00:55:11:37 – 00:55:16:18
Agent Palmer
I, All right, so I do want a child.
00:55:16:23 – 00:55:17:24
Robert Eskra
A child. Okay.
00:55:17:24 – 00:55:23:32
Agent Palmer
And I think that’s because I am also a.
00:55:23:36 – 00:55:26:56
Agent Palmer
As if you didn’t. As if I didn’t know anything about out.
00:55:27:04 – 00:55:28:45
Robert Eskra
But think. No.
00:55:28:49 – 00:55:57:45
Agent Palmer
That you didn’t figure out I’m an only child. No, I want what I want one. And I, I think that, because of my parents and specifically because of my mother. So it’s not like my parents didn’t try and get me a sibling. Well, like I’m the miracle child because my mother had, like, I don’t know, like five miscarriages on either, I think 1 or 2 before me and then a bunch after me.
00:55:57:45 – 00:55:58:53
Agent Palmer
So they didn’t try or.
00:55:58:53 – 00:55:59:58
Robert Eskra
It was okay to talk about.
00:55:59:58 – 00:56:26:09
Agent Palmer
It. Yeah. But I also think that that puts it into perspective of like, yeah, I want one, but I, I refuse to be choosy. Like I, I don’t I think because of that I don’t really care. So like at this point it’s like if I, if, if we have one I would like to have one. I’m and I say I would like to have one, but like there’s an asterisk because it’s not like there aren’t twins in my family.
00:56:26:20 – 00:56:28:54
Agent Palmer
So like there’s always that chance.
00:56:28:58 – 00:56:30:44
Robert Eskra
Yeah. You want at least one.
00:56:30:44 – 00:56:53:10
Agent Palmer
I want at least one. I would like to Max out at one, but like at that point it’s just like five, you know, five fingers on each hand, two hands, but you know it and that’s it really. Because, like, I feel like I’ve because of you and like other friends around me that have had kids like it, it doesn’t feel like.
00:56:53:15 – 00:57:14:41
Agent Palmer
And I think it could also be because we’ve, we’ve, we’ve grown up and we’re of age in an era where gender is not gender is not nearly as important as it was when we were born, I’ll say that. So it’s not necessarily this limiting factor that it used to be. So I don’t think like it matters that much.
00:57:14:41 – 00:57:32:22
Agent Palmer
But like definitely one, I and the only reason I really want to. I’m not good at choosing not choosing a favorite. So like, I, I really want one because then I don’t have to.
00:57:32:27 – 00:57:56:43
Robert Eskra
That makes sense. I mean, I, I can speak to that. There is the part when we, we learned we were pregnant with the second one. There was a bit of panic that like, because it’s, it’s this I, it’s so hard to describe. Like, I know it sounds cliche, but it’s like you can you never realize you can actually, like, care for something so much.
00:57:56:56 – 00:58:13:33
Robert Eskra
Yeah. And like so we had the one. Right, Rohan. And it’s like he was our life. Yeah. And then like, oh well now we have to do this with the second one where, how are we going to make the room? And it’s like, it’s like the legal concept of spouses owning a home. It’s an undivided equal share.
00:58:13:38 – 00:58:15:05
Speaker 4
Like buries.
00:58:15:09 – 00:58:25:02
Robert Eskra
You. You simultaneously like. And there are more. Don’t get me wrong. There are moments where it’s like, all right, today I like this one better.
00:58:25:06 – 00:58:45:22
Robert Eskra
Or like, even just like this, 20 minutes, like, you’re my favorite. And this other one sucks. But but like at the sit, like those moments come and go and it’s it’s like. And what’s funny with, with our kids is that both Rohan and Ash will have mommy days and daddy days and like, where they’re one day, they’re just obsessed with me.
00:58:45:22 – 00:58:58:30
Robert Eskra
One of them will be obsessed with me, and one of them will be obsessed with Jess. Or both of them will be obsessed with me or. But and it’s like, you know, it’s it and it comes and goes and you never know what it’s going to be like or like what influences that either.
00:58:58:35 – 00:59:16:32
Agent Palmer
Well, that’s good to know, because, like, I’m not and I’m never going to say what I mean. What I’m what I’m about to say is not equating pets with children because I know they’re not the same, but I will say that for some reason the cat, which was always Steph’s cat.
00:59:16:36 – 00:59:17:16
Robert Eskra
00:59:17:21 – 00:59:21:51
Agent Palmer
Has chosen me. There hasn’t been a Steph day.
00:59:21:56 – 00:59:22:16
Speaker 4
Since.
00:59:22:16 – 00:59:28:34
Agent Palmer
The cat made up his mind about me. It’s been me like I am the favorite.
00:59:28:39 – 00:59:29:43
Robert Eskra
Yeah. No that’s kids.
00:59:29:43 – 00:59:53:58
Robert Eskra
Are kind of the same kids. Well I mean again like there’s been but there’s also like there’s this general feeling that Rohan is more Jess’s and Asher is more mine. Okay. And the only reason we say that is because that’s like, from what we can tell thus far, and they’re still both very young. Jess has more or Rohan has more of Jess’s personality, and Asher has more of mine.
00:59:53:58 – 00:59:57:24
Agent Palmer
And it’s kind of that like gravitating towards like.
00:59:57:28 – 00:59:59:29
Robert Eskra
Yes, okay, similar. And so it’s like.
00:59:59:38 – 01:00:00:47
Robert Eskra
Because Jess and I.
01:00:00:52 – 01:00:14:21
Robert Eskra
For as much as we have in common, have very different personalities, right. Like there’s, there’s, there are there are some major parts of our personalities which we differ, which is I guess, one of the reasons why we do fit so well because, you know, opposites attract and I can’t.
01:00:14:26 – 01:00:20:19
Agent Palmer
Yeah. I’m not going to say opposites attract, but like, Steph is a very positive person.
01:00:20:24 – 01:00:21:20
Robert Eskra
I’m not.
01:00:21:25 – 01:00:32:22
Agent Palmer
I’m not. And so like it it kind of yeah I won’t I won’t say like it works for everything but I think generally speaking it as a couple it balances us out.
01:00:32:35 – 01:01:02:49
Robert Eskra
Right. That’s exactly Jess and I are exactly the same way. There are some very core differences. There between between us and it’s and those core differences. We can kind of see them developing in our children and it’s, you know. Yeah, just Rohan is more like Jess personality wise, and Asher is more like me personality wise. And it’s and so like as they grow, that may be kind of the sort of default, but it doesn’t mean that like, again, I love Rohan any less or I don’t want to spend time with them any less.
01:01:02:50 – 01:01:04:27
Robert Eskra
Yeah. And vice versa.
01:01:04:33 – 01:01:08:39
Agent Palmer
Well, I would hope not, because you want to spend time with your wife. So like there’s a will.
01:01:08:39 – 01:01:24:44
Robert Eskra
That the similarities will that. And that’s the thing it’s. Yeah. So it’s there’s probably going to be times where because Asher is just like me, that he’s going to piss me off to no, because I’ll be witnessing the things that I see in myself and be like, that’s. Yeah. So yeah.
01:01:24:48 – 01:01:33:16
Agent Palmer
No, I mean, one and I, I don’t, you know, I always joke that I don’t know if the world’s ready for another me anyway. So that’s,
01:01:33:21 – 01:01:36:14
Robert Eskra
Maybe, maybe it doesn’t have enough of you in it. That’s the problem.
01:01:36:15 – 01:01:36:39
Agent Palmer
I don’t.
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