Episode 136 features Morgan, from That Nerd Thing podcast.
We discuss the origins of her show, compare her day job to her podcast, ponder the interchangeability of nerd and geek as terms, and much much more…
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Agent Palmer
Previously on Agent Palmer. Dot com inspired viewing awaits in five documentaries about art and artists chaotic, irrational and brilliant. A Confederacy of Dunces takes you for a ride, and Tony still hasn’t been over for chili, but we’re working on it. This is The Palmer Files episode 136 featuring Morgan from that nerd thing podcast. We discussed the origins of her show, compare her day job to her podcast, ponder the interchangeability of nerd and geek as terms and much, much more.
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Agent Palmer
Are you ready? Let’s do the show!
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Agent Palmer
Hello, and welcome to The Palmer Files. I’m your host, Jason Stershic, also known as Agent Palmer. And on this 136 episode is Morgan, host and producer of that Nerd Thing podcast. Morgan’s here because as a person who talks to people as a psychologist by day and someone who chose a hobby like podcasting to come home to and talk to people at night, I was intrigued by someone as interested in the conversation of things as I was.
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Agent Palmer
You’ll hear us discuss nerd versus geek, and how the terms evolved from negatives to what they are today, as well as discuss just how many different things the word fantasy can conjure. Plus, we dive into the origins and behind the scenes of that Nerd Thing podcast. Talk a little bit about perfectionism reading and uncover just how long Morgan’s to watch, to read, to listen, to list really is.
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Agent Palmer
All of that. And a whole lot more is coming your way shortly. But first, remember that if you want to discuss the episode as you listen or afterwards, you can find all related ways to contact my guest, Morgan and myself in the show notes. There you can also find Morgan’s Linktree with links to all of the things, which is Linktree.
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Agent Palmer
Slash that nerd thing pod. And if you don’t want to do that, just search that nerd thing on social platforms or the podcast app of your choice and look for the tagline Voices of Fandoms. Don’t forget, you can see all of my writings and rantings on Jim palmer.com. And of course, email can be sent to the Palmer Files at gmail.com.
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Agent Palmer
So without further ado, let’s get into it.
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Agent Palmer
Morgan, you host a podcast, in your spare time, when you’re not, being a psychologist. And that show is called that Nerd Thing. So why not geek?
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Morgan
That’s such a good question. Wow. So I’m actually I did not expect that question. So I think I just I always wanted like I always use the word nerd, like in my daily life, I just don’t often use geek. Okay. And so it just naturally sort of happened.
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Agent Palmer
Do you do you see a difference or interchangeable?
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Morgan
I think it’s interchangeable. I have a segment of my show like geeky recommendations. So I think it’s all like it’s interchangeable. Whatever you want to call it yourself.
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Agent Palmer
Yeah, I, I just, I mean, I, I immediately go back to got it. I don’t know how long ago it was because the on the internet everything’s so fleeting. It could have been last week. I know it wasn’t last week, but it also could have been ten years ago or 20 years ago. But there was this, the, geek versus nerd graphic.
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Agent Palmer
It in which, geeks were more messy and more technical.
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Morgan
Yeah, I.
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Agent Palmer
Guess nerds were the other way. But as someone who’s straddled that line back and forth, I, I take them individually. I also.
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Morgan
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Agent Palmer
Grew up in the 90s where as a derogatory statement, you would hear both like, I think it’s only after the millennium. And like, younger kids maybe that can relate to this, where, like, you can really treat it as a badge of honor. But for me, at that time, when it was thrown at me, regardless of which one, it was like, oh, they’re picking on me.
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Morgan
Yeah. No, I definitely think now being a nerd is considered cool and people want to be a nerd because there’s so, you know, I was I was thinking about it on my show a few weeks ago with somebody like, when did that transition happen? And I think a large part of it is the internet, people having more access to, you know, other nerds.
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Morgan
And I really think the Marvel movies kind of made it more mainstream to be nerdy.
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Agent Palmer
See, I also think it I mean, I think it is the internet, but I think it happened a little bit before Marvel. I think it happened in 2005, and I only say that specifically because I was a year out of college, and I remember being addicted to fantasy sports.
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Morgan
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Agent Palmer
And the fantasy nerds or geeks or whatever that I would interact with were the jocks I had just graduated with, although I wasn’t a jock. Right. So it, it felt like at least at that point, at that very specific point in time when fantasy had really it had gone to Yahoo and ESPN had started doing their own like it had become mainstream.
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Agent Palmer
And so the fantasy which now is everywhere, like if you watch sports, they talk about it like on regular things. But back then it was just still this small corner that was growing. And I think that’s when the term kind of started to bleed a little bit because people would say like, oh, you’re a fantasy geek. And then there’s like somebody’s ears perk up in the other side of the room and is like, yeah, but I like Star Trek.
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Agent Palmer
And that’s what you used to call me. Why is he get it now? Like. And I think that’s kind of where, at least for older people, I guess I’ll call. You know what I’d be like somebody who hadn’t lived through that change. That’s when I started to notice, like, oh, this. These words mean they’ve changed.
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Morgan
Interesting. Yeah. I have like, no interaction with this. So what fantasy sports are you talking about? Like video games or like fantasy football?
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Agent Palmer
No, I’m talking about like, fantasy football, fantasy baseball, that kind of stuff. I mean, it it I mean, because that stuff goes back through, like the early 70s when they were, you know, the guys who started it were doing it with, you know, paper and, and pencil and not automated on the internet. But yeah, I’m talking like actual like, oh, well, we’re we’re going to fantasy draft whatever.
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Agent Palmer
And this is going to be my team and keep an eye on the statistics. And I think video games helps too, because, let’s be real, no one, very few people I know that play sports games keep the rosters exactly as they are. They even do some trades for like players they like on other teams to get them on their favorite teams.
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Agent Palmer
So the fantasy kind of it’s kind of all nebulous a bit, but I don’t know, it’s it’s definitely changed and it’s not what it used to be. And I kind of almost feel like it’s now too general of a term.
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Morgan
Which, which term, you.
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Agent Palmer
Know, nerd and geek.
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Morgan
Yeah.
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Agent Palmer
Although fantasy for that matter too, because now, based on just what I said, if I said, oh, I’m into fantasy, you have no idea if I’m talking sports. If I’m talking talking, if I’m like.
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Morgan
That’s where my mind goes. Like dragons, I think.
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Agent Palmer
I think I still I, I, I, I think it’s been long enough now that those two definitions fight for, what the what I’m actually thinking about whenever somebody says it. And then I have to look for context, it’s oh, great, now I need more information. What are they actually talking about? Do they want to know about stolen bases or are we talking about dragons?
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Morgan
Yeah. Well, I mean, when I think of nerd, I think about somebody who’s just super passionate about something. So like, whatever their passion is, they just they go all in and they love it.
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Agent Palmer
But we all have so many of those things.
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Morgan
This is actually we’re all nerds.
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Agent Palmer
Of course, but I, I, I feel like and it’s such a copout, but I, I’ve been thinking about, selfishly. Right. Okay. Let’s just fight. I’ll be that guy I was thinking about, like, oh, well, if I was ever going to go on Morgan Show, what would be my thing? This is what I’ve been thinking about basically in prep for this conversation has nothing to do with what we’re actually going to talk about.
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Agent Palmer
But I was like, well, what would what would be my thing be? And I, I think I could list ten things that I would be able at least ten things that unprompted, with no notice, we could stop this recording right now and start recording your show. And I could talk about these ten things. And if you gave me a week, I might be able to push it to 30.
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Agent Palmer
Right? I just I’m not one dimensional. I don’t know if anybody I don’t first of all, I don’t know anybody who is one dimensional. But I’m also like, I don’t know that I can make that decision for myself. Now, I guess asterisk now, 20 years ago, I think it would have been like, here’s four things I love.
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Morgan
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Agent Palmer
But we grow and now it’s like, well I don’t have a, I don’t have a one thing.
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Morgan
Yeah. One of the things I do on my show is try to really understand somebodies like nerdy journey and you know, where their nerdiness started and where it is today. So, you know, I’m going to ask you, what was the first thing that you were nerdy about?
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Agent Palmer
Well, I will say, the first time I identified as a nerd was third grader. Me getting glasses. You know, it helps, helps, hurts, hinders, whatever. But, putting on the costume really kind of amplifies the image. Okay, so third grader, me, he with glasses really is just kind of like. All right, this is this is it?
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Agent Palmer
No, I think you have to fast forward through all the awkward kid stuff to when you get to like 11, 12, 13, when you truly start making actual decisions. And I. Look, I’m not a child psychologist, but, like, in my memory, I’m just doing kids things up until that point, like, oh, friends are available. Cool. Oh, nobody’s available TV or book or, you know, it’s just like, whatever is available, that’s fine.
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Agent Palmer
And then like somewhere between 10 and 13, you go like, I know I want to. I am actively deciding to take a role in what I’m doing. I would like to do this.
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Morgan
Yeah.
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Agent Palmer
And I think for me that was at that time it was collectible card games. And I would love to tell you that it was Magic The Gathering, and that was the first one. And I do still play, although I had a hiatus and that’s a whole different ball. But about 6 or 7 months after I discovered and started playing Magic The Gathering, Iron Crown Enterprises came out with a game called Middle-Earth.
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Agent Palmer
That did not do very well, but I was just as addicted to that as I was magic at that time. And then I got into Spell Fire, which was a TSR based, very Dungeons and Dragons heavy collectible card game. And then I got into the Star Wars collectible. So at the time, the first thing was really, oh, I can go there and I can play these card games.
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Agent Palmer
And then and then. I hit the pedal and it starts to explode from there because it goes, oh. Then I started getting into music and I started playing bass, and then I started running, and then I started reading. One of the many ebbs and flows in my reading or my being a reader. Right. And so now we’re talking about.
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Agent Palmer
I mean, we’ll just flash forward a decade, 23 year old me, has a college degree, is still playing magic, is still playing, whatever instrument I can get my hands on and is still running and listening to music and reading right. It starts at 13 and it’s kind of exploded more since then as I’ve gotten to drill it down more.
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Agent Palmer
But it’s it’s very much that first, like it might be collectible card games.
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Morgan
Yeah. That’s so interesting. I’ve, you know, I’ve never played any of those, but I’ve always been so intrigued by them.
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Agent Palmer
It’s, it’s I will say it because of your show and the way you talk to people about fandom, aside from nerdery and geekery and all that stuff, fandom, I, I just look at Magic The Gathering and Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh! All, all of the the bigger ones, the newest one on the block, Laura Connor from Disney and I go, they’re all different fandoms, and the only difference is there are more concrete rules to know then there would be if you just loved the MCU.
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Agent Palmer
Because unlike loving the MCU, where it’s like, oh, here’s 25 years of movies or whatever it is, and here are the 25 movies. There are thousands of cards. Here are the rules. This is the evolution of the rules. Depending on when you started and how long you’ve been playing. And oh, by the way, all of these little things have their own individual rules.
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Agent Palmer
It’s a little bit more, segmented, but from there it’s exactly the same. What how do you feel about 2008, Iron Man I don’t know. How do you feel about this one card? Right. Like. And now all of a sudden, you’ve divided the room?
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Morgan
Yeah.
00:16:03:30 – 00:16:06:59
Agent Palmer
And so they’re just more fandoms.
00:16:07:04 – 00:16:08:39
Morgan
Yeah. That’s fascinating.
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Agent Palmer
Although I could also go back further and say like, yeah, but I’ve been a Baltimore Orioles fan since I was forever. I mean, six maybe is in a, like a baby seat in a jersey, right? So.
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Morgan
Yeah, maybe that’s your first nerdy thing.
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Agent Palmer
It might be, but at the time, it wouldn’t have been nerdy. I mean, this goes back to where we started with. When does it become nerdy to be, like, into sports?
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Morgan
Yeah, well, I think it’s more like these days. It’s like, when is it, like, cool to be into it and like, it’s being it being nerdy as being cool these days. I think people like it.
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Agent Palmer
Yeah. But I also think it’s, how do I not be negative? I’m just going to be negative. I think unfortunately, look at honestly, I’ve always been the one that regardless of the, the blog and the podcast and all the people I’ve met through the internet, I’m still going to say, I don’t know that it was worth it.
00:17:22:34 – 00:18:10:58
Agent Palmer
I still shut it off tomorrow. If I could, because the thing about the internet that brings you and me together, or me together with a Star Trek fan, or a Star Wars fan or another magic player, is also the same exact platform that allows the diehard Star Wars fan to say that Star Trek doesn’t understand science fiction. And I’ve been toying with a blog post for probably eight years now, and the reason I’ve been toying with it, and it hasn’t been written yet, is because all I have right now is, why can’t we all just get along?
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Agent Palmer
And that doesn’t seem like a that’s a that’s a tweet, right? That’s a status update. That’s it’s not a blog post. But I do think that the thing that does join us is also the same thing we use to divide ourselves and I see all both of those things equally, when I’m scrolling whatever feed I happen to scroll or, just read blogs where people are like, yeah, this is great, but that other one sucks.
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Agent Palmer
It’s like, hold on, hold on. You don’t have to. This can be great without that other thing being even mentioned. But the internet has given rise to that kind of, I’m not allowed to. I’m not like, it has to be binary, right? It can’t just be singular. I like this, it also has to be. And I hate this.
00:19:06:42 – 00:19:14:48
Agent Palmer
And that’s where I’m like, not just shut it off. Go. Go away. Go back to letters and phone calls.
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Morgan
I know it’s so easy for people to be so, like, full of hate and showcase that hate on the internet because they can. They feel safe behind the screen to be able to do it.
00:19:24:21 – 00:20:21:45
Agent Palmer
Yeah. And but and this is the thing that frustrates me. They do it in the same breath as the thing that they love, like I love I mean, Marvel’s a great and maybe will become the answer, when, you know, that younger generation of, people are going for their, their, their doctorates and they need to write, you know, philosophy papers on like, well, what happened to Marvel as a society that we were watching these movies and enjoying them up through and game, and then we started putting women at the forefront of these movies and the toxic masculinity within that specific fandom, when these movies aren’t good because there’s a woman and there
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Agent Palmer
could be no other reason. And it’s like, all right, well, I look forward to those people making those papers because I they have to be written. In fact, they’re probably be written now, but it just.
00:20:37:18 – 00:20:57:25
Agent Palmer
Look, I got three negative reviews on my blog. They were books specifically that I read that were so bad I felt I had to actually say something. But if I don’t like a movie, I just don’t write about it. And I.
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Morgan
Yeah.
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Agent Palmer
I know I’m not everyone, but I just wish more people would just. Okay, so you didn’t like it?
00:21:06:26 – 00:21:12:10
Morgan
Yeah. People can be really, really critical, like unnecessarily. So I definitely agree with that.
00:21:12:17 – 00:21:18:57
Agent Palmer
But I, I do have to we I want to get back to this. You your day job.
00:21:19:01 – 00:21:20:46
Morgan
00:21:20:51 – 00:21:23:19
Agent Palmer
You talk to people in your day job.
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Morgan
I do I talk to people a lot.
00:21:26:02 – 00:21:41:31
Agent Palmer
And you decided that the best thing the best hobby you could come up with was to come home and jump on the internet and talk to more people.
00:21:41:35 – 00:21:49:00
Morgan
So that’s so funny. And so yes, I talk to people in my job, but it’s always about them.
00:21:49:07 – 00:21:49:54
Agent Palmer
Okay.
00:21:49:59 – 00:22:06:27
Morgan
Yeah, it’s never about me. And so yeah, I decided I wanted to have a little bit more of like creativity and nerdiness and talk about not just like the people in their nerdiness in my podcast, but also I have an opportunity to kind of like, fangirl out, okay.
00:22:06:32 – 00:22:11:25
Agent Palmer
All right. And and you decide. I mean, did you listen to podcasts?
00:22:11:30 – 00:22:29:39
Morgan
I did, so I listened to two podcasts for almost like 20 years now. So I, I have like high standards and I didn’t want to do a podcast, like I didn’t want to host one. But my friend kept telling me, like, Morgan, you really need to do a podcast. Like the way that I talk about them, the like standards I have, she’s like, you should just do one.
00:22:29:43 – 00:22:49:42
Morgan
And I like at first she was suggesting, like I do one in the field of psychology, you know, similar to the way I work. And I was like, but that doesn’t sound fun. That’s fair. And then like one day I just looked like maybe like, okay, a nerd podcast could be fun, and I could talk to people about the thing, like nerdy things.
00:22:49:46 – 00:23:12:46
Agent Palmer
I mean, I don’t want to put too fine a point on it, but does it juxtapose your day job in that, like when people are talking about their selves, they’re not always telling you their best moments, and then you get to go home and like, talk to me about, I don’t know, the Orioles one last night, or I read a good book from one of my favorite authors, and now it’s me telling you happiness.
00:23:12:46 – 00:23:15:19
Agent Palmer
Like, do you get a bit of juxtaposition?
00:23:15:24 – 00:23:40:31
Morgan
That’s interesting. I never thought about it that way. I view I mean, like in therapy, people are sharing, you know, a lot of their darkest parts of themselves and the pain that they go through. And we explore a lot of that. And I guess it is a little bit different, but I guess I viewed it less about talking to people and more about the opportunity to talk about fandoms that I love also.
00:23:40:36 – 00:23:54:44
Morgan
Okay, so like, I don’t I don’t generally have people on my show. If there’s nothing about them or the fandoms that they like that I have even like curiosity about, because otherwise it’ll be boring to me. I have to have some sort of interest.
00:23:54:48 – 00:24:04:51
Agent Palmer
I, I would challenge you that, if you’re a curious person, you’ll find it anyway.
00:24:04:56 – 00:24:05:43
Morgan
Yeah, probably.
00:24:05:43 – 00:24:37:19
Agent Palmer
Like, I can give you a list of ten things, and I would say pick the one. You. You think you don’t like the most. Let’s have that conversation. I think as a curious person, it may not, you know, you might not pick up that book, that game that, you know, show. I still think you’d take away something from it, like I because I, I, I know, but I’m selfishly coming from a place where I get to talk to whoever.
00:24:37:24 – 00:25:08:49
Agent Palmer
Yeah. Whenever about whatever. And, you know, I’m like, you, I listen to podcasts for forever, and I, I took a middle step that you didn’t. I got behind the scenes of some of my favorite shows, like the independent ones that were like, we could use a volunteer and then you, the volunteer becomes now you’re like a remote producer, and then, oh, now I’m a fill in guest host occasionally, and serial guest.
00:25:08:54 – 00:25:27:52
Agent Palmer
And so I had a lot more pressure from a lot more people going, you should start your own show. So, you know, I don’t I don’t I don’t know what that be. I, I also needed that eureka moment. It’s like, this is what it will be. This is, this is it. But I also.
00:25:27:57 – 00:25:54:47
Agent Palmer
Had a, job in marketing, so it was like. Sadly, while marketing is an art, every professional will tell you it’s all about the numbers, so it doesn’t really matter. Like, you could you could put out the worst piece of yourself. And if it got 100 clicks or 100 clicks more than the last one, that’s a success.
00:25:54:52 – 00:25:55:17
Morgan
Yeah.
00:25:55:19 – 00:25:59:51
Agent Palmer
And that’s kind of why I hate marketing. Because it’s just.
00:25:59:51 – 00:26:00:22
Morgan
Like.
00:26:00:26 – 00:26:30:30
Agent Palmer
I don’t I want to put out my best. And if it if it gets listened to by three people, if four people click on my blog post, maybe I like that one better than the 100. It’s yeah, I don’t, I don’t, I don’t know, but I so you have this juxtaposition a little bit between your, your day job and your I’m going to call it your night job because, look, I don’t know anybody listening to this that heard me go on this rant before, but podcast does not just record and release.
00:26:30:43 – 00:26:34:22
Morgan
So it is way more work than I ever thought.
00:26:34:24 – 00:26:53:30
Agent Palmer
I mean, I, I do want to ask that real quick. Did you two did you know how much did you know about like the process of from record to release before, like, you know, you’re like, I’m going to start this show at that moment. What do you know?
00:26:53:35 – 00:27:15:09
Morgan
Well, I think because I was listening for so long, like I’ve heard the podcasters that I listened to talk about the process. So I knew there was going to be editing and social media. But then I didn’t realize, like, you know, it’s stressful getting guests and making sure that they’re able to record. So I have an episode that will come out and the editing was takes me way too long.
00:27:15:09 – 00:27:15:56
Morgan
But also it’ll.
00:27:15:56 – 00:27:17:30
Agent Palmer
Get it’ll get easier. Don’t worry about.
00:27:17:30 – 00:27:27:00
Morgan
It. Yeah, yeah, like way too long. And I was like, if I ever make money from the podcast and editors, the first thing I’m hiring is it.
00:27:27:05 – 00:27:50:19
Agent Palmer
Yes. That is I don’t know. I mean, look, took me like I can edit the show in about one and a half, one and a quarter time. So we record for 90 minutes. It’ll take me two hours. That that’s a that’s a that’s a rough estimate, right. Sometimes, you know, sometimes a little more, sometimes a loss.
00:27:50:24 – 00:28:11:44
Agent Palmer
But that’s now. Right. When I started we would record for 90 minutes and it would take me like five hours. A lot of that was because I would hate my voice and get up and walk away from the walk away from the computer, like, I don’t do that, but it does get easier. But the reason I, I bring it back to editing is because I can’t give this.
00:28:11:44 – 00:28:36:39
Agent Palmer
I can’t give editing up. It’s really it’s it don’t don’t take away analyze me too much. It’s too much control. I get it like I’m here in the conversation with you, even if the editor was silently on the line in my head, I know I’m going to fix that. I’m going to take care of this, you know, like, I, I know that.
00:28:36:39 – 00:28:46:24
Agent Palmer
And so I have the final quality control on everything. Yeah, I, I don’t, I’ve, I, I don’t know how people give that up.
00:28:46:29 – 00:28:55:30
Morgan
Yeah, I get that. It takes me like six hours for one hour of recording. It’s too much. It’s way too much. I need to cut it down. Yeah.
00:28:55:30 – 00:29:11:49
Agent Palmer
We we’ll talk off line. I give you some tips, but I mean, that aside, how how are you with guests? Like, where are you? I mean, because when when you’re in practice during the day, people come to you.
00:29:11:53 – 00:29:12:30
Morgan
Yeah.
00:29:12:35 – 00:29:20:19
Agent Palmer
When you’re the host and you have a guest centric show, you have to go to them.
00:29:20:24 – 00:29:21:18
Morgan
Yes.
00:29:21:18 – 00:29:30:56
Agent Palmer
When was the last time before the podcast that you had to actually go out on a regular basis and meet people and invite people to things?
00:29:31:01 – 00:29:36:32
Morgan
Yeah. I mean, I’ve done a lot of like networking, okay, or my actual job, but that’s very that’s very different.
00:29:36:32 – 00:29:50:44
Agent Palmer
It’s the same, though. You’re still asking for the connection. That’s true. Now the podcast is asking a little more of that connection. Can I have some of your time? But that initial ask is exactly the same. So you had a little practice.
00:29:50:49 – 00:30:07:01
Morgan
Yeah. But I think it’s it’s been not I don’t want to say easy, but I feel like people really like talking about themselves. And so yeah, the things that they love. So it’s I feel like it’s easier to get them to say yes, to come on the podcast.
00:30:07:06 – 00:30:12:53
Agent Palmer
Yeah, yeah. I just how did you come on to this? I said, hey, let’s have a conversation.
00:30:12:58 – 00:30:13:58
Morgan
Yeah.
00:30:14:03 – 00:30:14:28
Agent Palmer
It’s, you.
00:30:14:28 – 00:30:14:42
Morgan
Know.
00:30:14:51 – 00:30:16:05
Agent Palmer
Yeah, it how did.
00:30:16:05 – 00:30:18:12
Morgan
You find me?
00:30:18:16 – 00:30:27:58
Agent Palmer
One of the socials. I have no idea which one. I, I’m, I’m a lurker on all of them now because I just, I haven’t decided which one to invest in.
00:30:28:03 – 00:30:33:57
Morgan
Now, that’s something else I would hire out if I could social media manager them.
00:30:34:02 – 00:31:03:34
Agent Palmer
Yeah. I don’t know, I don’t know. Yeah, I, I’m probably but maybe not, I don’t know, it’s, there’s a part of me that I, I don’t know when you lose the independent ness of it. Yeah. And I’m not and I, I could say one of my fandoms is indie podcasts. Cool. It’s probably not. It’s probably that I just happen to know a lot of indie podcasters.
00:31:03:39 – 00:31:23:21
Agent Palmer
Yeah, but I do like the badge too much. Like, I want to know at what level, like, can I add a second person to help me before I become corporate? I don’t ever want to become corporate. I don’t care if I don’t make any money, I just want to retain my indie status.
00:31:23:26 – 00:31:29:22
Morgan
Yeah, I think if you have somebody who does your editing and social media, you’re still like an indie podcaster.
00:31:29:31 – 00:31:36:14
Agent Palmer
Okay, I don’t yeah, I don’t I don’t know what that thing so I don’t yeah. It’s it’s a slippery slope.
00:31:36:19 – 00:31:38:40
Morgan
Oh yeah.
00:31:38:45 – 00:31:42:12
Agent Palmer
All right. So you went to a school for a long time?
00:31:42:17 – 00:31:44:21
Morgan
I did.
00:31:44:26 – 00:32:07:30
Agent Palmer
I’m going to go back to, 2004. I finally get out of college. I’m done. I’m never going back to school. Okay. Now, granted, I graduated with a degree in communications and had no idea what I was going to do, but I was not going back to school. This is all I know.
00:32:07:34 – 00:32:08:27
Morgan
00:32:08:32 – 00:32:41:40
Agent Palmer
Mainly because, as a side note, to stretch this out a little bit more, I know that on campus I was so comfortable not making any money, just learning and just being involved that I was like, if I do this for like grad school, I’ll never want to enter the workforce. That’s me. I get when you finish your undergrad, do you know you want to keep going?
00:32:41:44 – 00:33:01:49
Morgan
Yes, I knew I knew pretty early on in undergrad that I wanted to be a psychologist. Okay, so that was kind of my path. And I went to a liberal arts college. So I was able to also like try out a lot of things. And so I felt pretty, pretty certain that I wanted to do something with psychology.
00:33:01:58 – 00:33:02:47
Agent Palmer
Okay.
00:33:02:52 – 00:33:03:30
Morgan
Yeah.
00:33:03:35 – 00:33:08:34
Agent Palmer
And. Yeah. And then you need what, a master’s and a doctorate.
00:33:08:39 – 00:33:15:37
Morgan
So the program I went into was straight into the doctorate program, where you get a master’s on the way. Okay. Like in the program itself. Yeah.
00:33:15:42 – 00:33:19:45
Agent Palmer
And you were you were on board for like, more school.
00:33:19:50 – 00:33:25:15
Morgan
I feel like I would be on board for more school forever. If I could be a lifelong student, I would.
00:33:25:26 – 00:33:36:09
Agent Palmer
Okay. I mean, I would, I would do, but I also know I just get complacent. I mean, like, what do you mean, like, I don’t have class today, so I’m just going to chill, like it’s great.
00:33:36:14 – 00:33:44:39
Morgan
Yeah. Well, a lot of, grad school. Is it just classes? But it was a lot of actually, like, seeing patients and clinics and getting supervised.
00:33:44:39 – 00:33:45:33
Agent Palmer
Practical.
00:33:45:38 – 00:33:46:15
Morgan
Yeah.
00:33:46:20 – 00:33:47:21
Agent Palmer
Okay.
00:33:47:26 – 00:33:47:48
Morgan
Yeah.
00:33:47:53 – 00:33:57:07
Agent Palmer
And, let’s let’s, I guess wide swath. Right? You probably had to do a lot of reading.
00:33:57:12 – 00:33:58:18
Morgan
Yep.
00:33:58:22 – 00:34:01:25
Agent Palmer
Were you a reader all along?
00:34:01:29 – 00:34:21:42
Morgan
Yeah. I’ve been readings like, since I was like four. I loved reading for fun. And then that stopped in college and grad school. I just I couldn’t do it. And then it’s only it took a couple of years out of grad school for me to start reading again. Okay, for fun.
00:34:21:47 – 00:34:24:02
Agent Palmer
How many books are you reading at a time?
00:34:24:07 – 00:34:30:11
Morgan
It depends. Right now, probably about two. I don’t like to read a lot of different books at a time.
00:34:30:16 – 00:34:34:05
Agent Palmer
Yeah, I’m. No, I’m you’re talking to the, one at a time guy.
00:34:34:09 – 00:34:34:49
Morgan
Yeah. Hi.
00:34:34:49 – 00:34:43:35
Agent Palmer
It’s me. No. Yeah, I, I can read something else, but for for pleasure. One at a time.
00:34:43:39 – 00:34:46:57
Morgan
Yeah, usually one at a time. Okay. Yeah. For the most.
00:34:46:57 – 00:34:52:41
Agent Palmer
Part. Do you have a wheelhouse or do you just, Are you all over?
00:34:52:46 – 00:35:01:25
Morgan
I so I’m, I’m reading right now, like fantasy, thriller, sci fi. Why a young adult? That’s like, what I love.
00:35:01:29 – 00:35:03:32
Agent Palmer
No, no. None.
00:35:03:37 – 00:35:04:14
Morgan
No.
00:35:04:18 – 00:35:07:08
Agent Palmer
Okay. You’re like, I’m done. I’m done with it.
00:35:07:13 – 00:35:07:38
Morgan
Yep.
00:35:07:52 – 00:35:08:14
Agent Palmer
Okay.
00:35:08:14 – 00:35:15:23
Morgan
Occasionally I’ll read like, a psychology book, but I know it’s not fun. Okay?
00:35:15:27 – 00:35:32:35
Agent Palmer
I just, I, I’m, I’m, I think that I that replaced my, my, my post undergrad schooling is I now I always go back and forth between fiction and non.
00:35:32:40 – 00:35:33:16
Morgan
00:35:33:16 – 00:36:02:22
Agent Palmer
And I’ve kind of like taught myself things mainly history, mainly history. I haven’t learned anything like I you can learn some practical things from history but not much. So that’s, that’s where it’s been. But I, I, like you fell out of reading around that same time. It’s like it wasn’t even an age thing. It was just like, these people are making me read stuff I don’t want to read.
00:36:02:27 – 00:36:09:09
Agent Palmer
So when I put this book, I don’t want to read down. The last thing I want to do is pick up a book at all.
00:36:09:13 – 00:36:11:32
Morgan
Yeah, it’s just. Yeah.
00:36:11:37 – 00:36:16:31
Agent Palmer
I’m just glad I got back to it. How did you get back to it?
00:36:16:36 – 00:36:41:00
Morgan
So basically I had. So after grad school, you know, a lot of, like, building a private practice and all of that. And then I had, like, a a loss in my life that was pretty emotionally, you know, rough. And so that’s when I was like, okay, let me start doing things for myself that are fun. And I joined a book club, and that’s when I just it just opened up a world of reading.
00:36:41:05 – 00:37:08:58
Agent Palmer
Did I ask this every time? And everybody says the same thing. And I really wish this wasn’t the case. And I guess on a general scale, from the people you see in your day job, did you require the bad thing to happen in order for you to be like, yeah, pump the brakes, let’s time do something for me.
00:37:09:03 – 00:37:17:28
Morgan
You know what? No. But it’s more that it because it’s more that the things that I felt like were for me shifted.
00:37:17:37 – 00:37:18:35
Agent Palmer
Okay.
00:37:18:40 – 00:37:19:03
Morgan
Yeah.
00:37:19:18 – 00:37:24:35
Agent Palmer
So you weren’t, like, all work, no play at that point.
00:37:24:39 – 00:37:27:29
Morgan
But some of my work was play.
00:37:27:34 – 00:37:28:57
Agent Palmer
Okay.
00:37:29:02 – 00:37:45:04
Morgan
And then so like I so before, you know, I started the podcast, I was doing like outside of therapy, I was doing like online workshops about like perfectionism and all of that. So like that was more fun. I mean, now that I say that, I’m like, how did I find that fun?
00:37:45:04 – 00:38:15:57
Agent Palmer
I mean, it’s okay. Yeah, I mean, it, it it, but it is like, yeah, especially if you get to be the person. No, I, I came we’re going to talk about perfectionism for a moment. I came to it. I have no idea where it was in the ether, the, the air, the, the internet, the I don’t know what it was, and I, I, I still have it on a piece of paper.
00:38:16:02 – 00:38:40:20
Agent Palmer
Perfection is the enemy of good. And so I’ve kind of kept that paper. I don’t know what possessed me to write it down. Did I hear it in a podcast? Did I read it in a blog? Did I see it online? I think I had been hearing of this existence of the idea of perfection is bad.
00:38:40:25 – 00:38:41:38
Morgan
Yeah.
00:38:41:43 – 00:38:47:18
Agent Palmer
And I just finally wrote it down and went, all right, time to move on.
00:38:47:22 – 00:38:49:00
Morgan
00:38:49:05 – 00:38:55:47
Agent Palmer
You’re, I guess giving lectures, explaining to people the same concept ish.
00:38:55:51 – 00:39:13:23
Morgan
Yeah. Yeah. And how and teaching people where it might come from, different things they could do to work through it when they notice it in their lives. And it’s like that was kind of fun for me. And one of the I also would do a lot of like workshops about burnout, how to prevent being burnt out. And part of that is recognizing what’s important to you.
00:39:13:38 – 00:39:27:45
Morgan
And so I just, you know, after experiencing that loss, I was like, well, this kind of stuff isn’t as fun for me anymore. I’d rather okay. And it wasn’t like making me money. So I might rather do another hobby that’s more fun now, which is a podcast.
00:39:27:50 – 00:39:31:23
Agent Palmer
Okay, so then I get to I’ll put on my hat for a moment.
00:39:31:28 – 00:39:32:40
Morgan
Okay.
00:39:32:45 – 00:39:43:57
Agent Palmer
Don’t don’t don’t, don’t I don’t like don’t hold on. I would caution you against making money from the podcast.
00:39:44:08 – 00:39:46:49
Morgan
Oh, yeah. I’m like, I’m not doing I. No, no.
00:39:46:49 – 00:39:58:00
Agent Palmer
No, it’s it’s it’s not about anything other than I mean, I should say you have other hobbies though, right?
00:39:58:04 – 00:39:58:43
Morgan
Yes.
00:39:58:48 – 00:40:08:51
Agent Palmer
So if the hobby podcast, the Hobby Colon podcast became a job, you have other hobbies to fall back on.
00:40:08:55 – 00:40:09:37
Morgan
00:40:09:42 – 00:40:16:38
Agent Palmer
But how big of a loss would the hobby of podcasting be if it became a job?
00:40:16:43 – 00:40:37:33
Morgan
Yeah, that’s something that I thought about a lot. Like what. What. Well I actually went into it because I, I could get so focused in like that business world that I wanted to make sure that if I were to do a podcast, I would not care if it ever made money. Okay. I would do it even if nobody listened like I would want to make sure I had fun doing it.
00:40:37:38 – 00:40:52:07
Morgan
So I’ve, I have I like if I were to make money it would be well like it’s to pay for like an editor, social media. I mean I mean who doesn’t want to make a little bit extra money?
00:40:52:12 – 00:41:22:02
Agent Palmer
I mean, it’s fair. I mean, I will say you, you’re already a leg up on, I’ll say, 80% of all the other podcasters. And I’m sure you’ve heard the statistics already. You know, 85% of podcasts don’t make it to episode ten. And, you know, the a smaller percentage make it to 20, etc., etc. but for my money, if you set out to have fun and not make money, you’re you’re probably going to be a success.
00:41:22:07 – 00:41:30:56
Morgan
Yeah, that’s that’s my goal to otherwise I’m not going to do it if I’m not having fun anymore. Even if I was making money and not having fun, I wouldn’t do it.
00:41:31:01 – 00:42:03:50
Agent Palmer
Yeah, I just, but it’s not easy. It’s not so I but I you talk to people all the time like. And now your podcast gives you a platform with which to talk. Are there any other platforms you want to you want to, you know, take on I mean, you already said that you were doing, presentations and other speaking engagements.
00:42:03:55 – 00:42:12:01
Morgan
Yeah. No, I’m I’m I’m good. Like, with my therapy practice and then podcasts and then like, other hobbies. Yeah.
00:42:12:04 – 00:42:18:04
Agent Palmer
That’s it. You don’t want to take on, like, time to write my book.
00:42:18:09 – 00:42:24:17
Morgan
I would love to be an author. I would love to write a book, but I don’t have a story to tell.
00:42:24:21 – 00:42:25:41
Agent Palmer
But,
00:42:25:46 – 00:42:31:10
Morgan
I like I would need to have the story in my head to. I would have to feel inspired.
00:42:31:20 – 00:42:33:59
Agent Palmer
Okay, hold on.
00:42:34:04 – 00:42:44:16
Agent Palmer
About 10 or 15 or 20 minutes ago. Time doesn’t matter in podcast anyway. You said that you read, fiction.
00:42:44:21 – 00:42:45:41
Morgan
Yes.
00:42:45:45 – 00:42:51:22
Agent Palmer
When you talk about wanting to be an author, are we talking specifically about fiction?
00:42:51:27 – 00:42:52:13
Morgan
Yes.
00:42:52:17 – 00:42:54:40
Agent Palmer
So you wouldn’t write a nonfiction book?
00:42:54:45 – 00:43:00:43
Morgan
No, I wouldn’t, that doesn’t feel fun. That feels like an academic paper.
00:43:00:47 – 00:43:03:25
Agent Palmer
Yeah, that’s that’s the bad part of school.
00:43:03:30 – 00:43:08:18
Morgan
Yeah. Yeah. I’m not a fan of writing.
00:43:08:23 – 00:43:11:40
Agent Palmer
Oh, not at all.
00:43:11:44 – 00:43:14:36
Morgan
Nope. Yeah. I don’t really write.
00:43:14:41 – 00:43:15:28
Agent Palmer
Well.
00:43:15:33 – 00:43:18:33
Morgan
I mean, I write notes like therapy notes and that’s.
00:43:18:38 – 00:43:22:25
Agent Palmer
Well, that’s but that’s, that’s that’s memory. That’s.
00:43:22:30 – 00:43:29:12
Morgan
Yeah. Yeah. And then I mean I’ll do like some, you know, marketing stuff, but that’s a.
00:43:29:16 – 00:43:44:54
Agent Palmer
Okay, I don’t meet many in general, many people that don’t like writing. For one reason or another, I just yeah, I just you’re you’re the I didn’t know you existed.
00:43:44:59 – 00:43:51:53
Morgan
It’s it’s not that I it’s like I don’t dislike it. I just don’t do it, okay?
00:43:51:58 – 00:44:09:09
Agent Palmer
I mean, I guess that’s you can’t I mean, it’s it’s it’s the same thing, right? Like, you can’t like it if you don’t do it, but if you don’t do it, how can you like it. Like that I say that right. I don’t know, maybe whatever. It’s close enough.
00:44:09:13 – 00:44:09:58
Morgan
I get what you’re saying.
00:44:10:07 – 00:44:16:51
Agent Palmer
Yeah I okay. So then when you started your show.
00:44:16:55 – 00:44:17:46
Morgan
00:44:17:51 – 00:44:28:00
Agent Palmer
What, what’s a fandom you wanted to talk about. I’m sure you’ve already covered it, but what was the like the number one fandom Morgan wanted to cover?
00:44:28:04 – 00:44:53:40
Morgan
So. Well before I even started the show I made sure I had my first five guests lined up. Okay. And I, it was also more in the beginning about the people. Like, I really wanted to interview some of the podcasters that I was listening to for years. And so they said, yeah, so it’s been amazing. And then I, I had like two dream fandoms or guest, and one was Nick Walker from Hamilton.
00:44:53:53 – 00:45:10:37
Morgan
He played Aaron Burr in Hamilton and he said yes. And he was on my show and it was amazing. Then the other guest has not said yes, I don’t think we’ll say yes, but I have reached out, David Tennant okay. I would love to have David Tennant on my show, but I mean.
00:45:10:41 – 00:45:14:02
Agent Palmer
He probably had a lot more time during the pandemic than he does now.
00:45:14:06 – 00:45:30:43
Morgan
I know, I know because he had his podcast, too. I, I met him at Florida Super Con, you know, like an autograph signing is really quick and stuff. And, I gave him a little letter telling him about my show and how I want him to be on it, but I, I, I doubt he would have the time to do something like that.
00:45:30:43 – 00:46:00:07
Agent Palmer
But, I mean, but you have to take the shot. And I think that. Yeah, that’s more than I can say for most. You have to be willing to fail, which I think goes back to your networking thing. One of the things that made this podcast so much easier to do was losing my job. Because in losing my job, I lost my job of 8 or 9 years before I started this show.
00:46:00:12 – 00:46:11:20
Agent Palmer
If you think asking a guest do you want to come on my podcast is hard, try asking someone for a job.
00:46:11:25 – 00:46:12:16
Morgan
Yeah.
00:46:12:20 – 00:46:30:31
Agent Palmer
And you, you get the that same kind of like, well, if these big corporations are going to just ghost me, why should I feel bad that that one person ghosted me? I’ll just keep asking.
00:46:30:35 – 00:46:32:47
Morgan
Exactly. Yeah, but.
00:46:32:47 – 00:46:35:18
Agent Palmer
Not everybody has that approach. So.
00:46:35:20 – 00:46:36:16
Morgan
Yeah.
00:46:36:21 – 00:46:45:41
Agent Palmer
I mean, what where do you get. I’m just going to ask David. I’m just going to hand David Tennant a letter and ask him.
00:46:45:45 – 00:47:07:06
Morgan
I just, I, I mean, because I love my show so much and because I am so excited about it, I, I, I don’t know, I guess I just want to ask. I have no problem asking. I’ll ask anybody if I want them on my show. I’ll. I’ll reach out. And I mean, I, I’ll get disappointed if somebody says no, but I’ll still like, I’ll ask anybody.
00:47:07:11 – 00:47:27:04
Agent Palmer
Okay. Yeah, I, I know it was the worst that could happen, right. Like I oh no, no, it’s oh, oh okay. Well, I’m sure there’s other people out there. I can talk to you. It’s fine. There’s. Yeah, more out there. Are you are you generally not that afraid of failure?
00:47:27:09 – 00:47:47:45
Morgan
Not right now, but I think that’s also from my own. Like going to therapy myself and working through like, fear of failure and all of that. And so I used to, but now not as much because I will fail. I know I’ll fail. And I’ll figure it out from there. Okay.
00:47:47:49 – 00:48:13:02
Agent Palmer
I just, I well, well, I only ask because when you hit publish on your first episode and I’m thinking more episode zero, because that’s the first you put it out. I know it’s only like a little bit of, like what this show is about to be, but, it’s very much a okay, here’s my pitch idea, but it’s out there.
00:48:13:02 – 00:48:29:39
Agent Palmer
It’s the first thing. So now you get to see in whatever your host is, what the download numbers are. Now you get to decide, okay, how much do I really care about if one person listens or no one listens, right?
00:48:29:40 – 00:48:39:56
Morgan
Oh yeah. Totally. I do care about the numbers, but I try to really remind myself, like, okay, do do I enjoy the podcast? Okay. Yeah, yeah yeah.
00:48:39:58 – 00:48:58:55
Agent Palmer
I and look, I kind of envy you. Putting out an episode zero probably would have been a smarter idea. I did an entire full length episode on the idea of, should I even be doing this podcast?
00:48:59:00 – 00:49:02:38
Morgan
Oh, I love that, though. That’s so clever.
00:49:02:43 – 00:49:11:05
Agent Palmer
I didn’t think it was clever. I just thought it was very meta and like, well, we’ll find out how this goes.
00:49:11:10 – 00:49:27:54
Morgan
Yeah, I did an episode zero because I, one of my friends is Nicole from Fantasy Fangirls. They have a podcast all about like, Fourth Way that the book series and guitar and all of that. And so she suggested I just put out like a brief trailer episode just to make sure I know how to, like, do it.
00:49:27:57 – 00:49:33:59
Agent Palmer
Yeah. That’s fair. It’s probably. Yeah, I had a little bit of behind the scenes like, know how.
00:49:34:04 – 00:49:34:49
Morgan
You knew how to do.
00:49:34:49 – 00:49:46:18
Agent Palmer
It. Yeah. But I, I will say while we’re still like, whatever you do, two seasons, take a break.
00:49:46:23 – 00:49:54:45
Morgan
That’s what I’ve been trying to think about. Like, do I want to take a few weeks off in December? What? Like, I’m. I’m really thinking through that.
00:49:54:50 – 00:50:20:50
Agent Palmer
Yes. Just. Yeah. Yes. And probably more than a few weeks. Really? You’re talking to a guy who was like, yeah, I mean, I got four blogs a week or four blogs a month, so one blog a week. That’s fine. What can I add for the podcast? Like, oh, I’ll add one every two weeks. That’s fine. I can put out six things in a month.
00:50:20:55 – 00:50:41:09
Agent Palmer
This is going to be, I don’t know, well over 100. So it’s been now years. I don’t I don’t get a break because I never set up seasons like I never thought. And at this point, and I know people are listening, that’ll be like, I just take a like I’m too proud to do it. And at this point, what?
00:50:41:14 – 00:51:00:57
Agent Palmer
Okay. Season one, episode 155 The finale, I’m going to take a little bit of break and we’re going to come back with season two, episode one. Okay, I think you need to, establish seasons, around like 52 or 50 or for, like. Yeah, no, give yourself the break.
00:51:01:11 – 00:51:03:52
Morgan
Yeah, yeah, I have been thinking about that.
00:51:03:57 – 00:51:24:24
Agent Palmer
You should it and. Yeah, you know, if, if you’re having fun, you’ll get back to it. I don’t I’m not, you know, talking to you. I’m not worried you’re going to just take a season break and not come back, which I’ve seen happen as well. You know, I don’t there’s a momentum shift, but yeah, a break might be nice.
00:51:24:29 – 00:51:34:19
Morgan
Yeah. I was thinking even pre-recording, just like a five minute little message that I could have released on my normal release days. So at least I’m still having, like, something.
00:51:34:24 – 00:51:52:38
Agent Palmer
Yeah. Although people told me my show would never work because it’s not weekly. They’ll forget about them in the off week. No, no, they know they won’t. They’ll just get used to listening to me twice a month. It’s fine. People are. And you know, this people. People are amazing.
00:51:52:43 – 00:51:53:04
Morgan
Yeah.
00:51:53:15 – 00:52:12:34
Agent Palmer
And we don’t give them enough credit. Yeah, or maybe too much. See, now I’m already walking my statement back. I don’t I don’t know, do you? What’s next for you? Just more shows keep going.
00:52:12:38 – 00:52:31:20
Morgan
I don’t know, I kept telling myself I would do this for a year and then think through what I want to do next, or what I want the show to look like. And so I’m still kind of in that stage right now with figuring out, like, I think I want to continue in the podcast for sure, but I, I am thinking like, do I still want to do it weekly?
00:52:31:22 – 00:52:39:50
Morgan
Do I want to do every other week? Do I want to do shorter episodes? So I’m not sure I’m in that like thinking process right now.
00:52:39:55 – 00:52:44:50
Agent Palmer
I kind of envy you. That’s a it’s a it’s a nice place to be.
00:52:44:55 – 00:52:45:53
Morgan
Yeah.
00:52:45:58 – 00:52:52:18
Agent Palmer
Yeah. I mean I do that too, but it’s also like well but yeah, but the.
00:52:52:23 – 00:52:53:15
Morgan
You’re committed now.
00:52:53:15 – 00:53:08:13
Agent Palmer
I’m committed to trains going like that. The momentum is there. Don’t stop it. Have have fun. Good luck. Maybe I should be on your couch. It’s a probably different podcast.
00:53:08:18 – 00:53:11:34
Morgan
You’re welcome on my podcast. Anytime.
00:53:11:39 – 00:53:17:43
Agent Palmer
Yeah, well, I got to get you that list and figure out what the, what my fandom is.
00:53:17:48 – 00:53:21:19
Morgan
I could show you my list of questions and you can see what feels right.
00:53:21:23 – 00:53:37:12
Agent Palmer
Okay, I mean, I again, I’m pretty sure just like asking me my favorite album or my favorite movie, like, it’ll change. Like, I’ll answer your questions today and this will be the answer. And tomorrow I’ll wake up and go, yeah, I think I could do this other thing.
00:53:37:16 – 00:53:39:01
Morgan
Yeah.
00:53:39:06 – 00:53:47:21
Agent Palmer
Very, but we all have them and I presume you will pick them up along the way. Right?
00:53:47:26 – 00:53:48:27
Morgan
What do you mean, like.
00:53:48:40 – 00:53:52:31
Agent Palmer
I mean people. Come on. Your show. Very passionate about this thing.
00:53:52:35 – 00:53:53:20
Morgan
Oh, you can’t.
00:53:53:20 – 00:53:58:25
Agent Palmer
Check them all out, but you definitely have to have picked up a few things along the way.
00:53:58:30 – 00:54:14:38
Morgan
Oh, yeah. My list of movies, TV shows, books. It’s so long that my niece was listening to an episode. She’s like, Morgan, do you really have a list that you’re putting these things on? And I was like, you caught me because my list is too long at this point.
00:54:14:42 – 00:54:18:24
Agent Palmer
But yeah, I mean, are are you tackling it at all.
00:54:18:29 – 00:54:27:19
Morgan
A little bit a little bit. Okay. Yeah, very slowly. But I mean, there’s only so much time to be able to do all those things like consume all that content.
00:54:27:23 – 00:54:48:24
Agent Palmer
No, it’s true. And let’s be honest, the, the, the amount of stuff that comes out, I think anyone who still has FOMO needs to be looked at for other reasons, because it’s a full time job. If you’re going to watch everything all the time, all I know, all the things.
00:54:48:29 – 00:54:49:24
Morgan
Yeah.
00:54:49:28 – 00:55:08:15
Agent Palmer
But you are you have it worse because you’re asking people about their passions, which might be baggage from 30 years ago. It hasn’t it? You’re asking people to open a can of worms. That has nothing to do with what came out last week, and that’s overwhelming enough.
00:55:08:19 – 00:55:20:49
Morgan
True. I started keeping like, a word document, almost like my own personal podcast encyclopedia of every single nerdy thing that every guest mentions, and I figured it could be useful at some point in time.
00:55:20:55 – 00:55:43:02
Agent Palmer
Yeah, I think you should definitely put that in, like one of those weird things that makes a, like a, tag cloud as they used to be on a blog, and whatever’s whatever gets to a certain number of recommendations should be like the threshold for like. All right, well, I’ll try that. I mean, obviously, if you want to, you know, tackle a movie, but like, if it’s like a series, you should be like, how the heck?
00:55:43:05 – 00:55:52:31
Agent Palmer
Not enough people have to mention it first because it’s seven seasons and that’s a whole I know.
00:55:52:35 – 00:55:53:08
Morgan
Yeah.
00:55:53:13 – 00:56:14:30
Agent Palmer
Yeah, I’m, I’m doing it, I, I did I took it upon myself it self-promotion shamelessly like I wanted to learn about Star Trek because I didn’t know anything about it culturally. I knew about it, but I never watched any of it. So I’m watching through all of it now. It’s it’s it’s a lot. Yeah. I’m right now I’m on Deep Space Nine.
00:56:14:39 – 00:56:31:23
Agent Palmer
So I’ve watched the original series and Next Gen and all the associated movies with those two series, but like it’s a lot that seven seasons. And then I got Voyager up next, which is seven more. See it. It’s it’s yeah.
00:56:31:28 – 00:56:32:34
Morgan
Yeah, that’s a lot.
00:56:32:43 – 00:56:34:02
Agent Palmer
Be careful. That’s all I’m.
00:56:34:02 – 00:56:35:29
Morgan
Saying is just.
00:56:35:34 – 00:56:36:46
Agent Palmer
Be careful.
00:56:36:51 – 00:56:44:54
Morgan
Yeah. And and.
00:56:44:59 – 00:57:10:40
Agent Palmer
Now seems like a perfect opportunity to state that in a way, this entire podcast, from episode one to now and beyond, is my geeky, nerdy story. And it shouldn’t come as a shock to anyone listening or anyone who knows me, that this podcast and the blog that is its predecessor, which is also a part of my story, they will continue for as long as they will continue and will always be incomplete.
00:57:10:45 – 00:57:38:14
Agent Palmer
I think perhaps as a healthy addition to perfection is the enemy of good, we should add that our stories will forever be incomplete. After all, that’s life. There’s always something more to do. So as we approach the holidays and the end of another calendar year rapidly, I might add, since it feels like this year has flown by, I would urge you to spend a little more time with your own priorities, furthering your own story, whatever that may be.
00:57:38:25 – 00:58:02:35
Agent Palmer
More time with your social circle, more time with your to read pile, more time with that hobby or home improvement, self-improvement, novel, script, album, whatever it is you’re working on, these things that we undertake often fulfill us in ways other things can’t, and we usually put them off, usually to the detriment of whatever it is, but also to the detriment of ourselves.
00:58:02:40 – 00:58:24:23
Agent Palmer
So what’s left to do? Especially when it’s something you want to do? Well, there’s no time like the present to further your priorities and your story. Thanks for listening to The Palmer Files episode 136. And now for the official business. The Palmer Files releases every two weeks on Tuesdays. If you’re still listening, I encourage you to join the discussion.
00:58:24:34 – 00:58:44:57
Agent Palmer
You can find all related ways to contact my guest, Morgan and myself in the show notes. There you can also find Morgan’s Linktree with links to all of the things, which is Linktree. Slash that nerd thing pod. And if you don’t want to go there, just search that nerd thing on the social platform or podcast app of your choice and look for the tagline Voices of Fandoms.
00:58:45:02 – 00:59:05:49
Agent Palmer
The music for this episode was provided by Henno Heitur. Email can be sent to this show at The Palmer Files at gmail.com. And remember, you’re home for all things. Agent Palmer is Agent palmer.com.
00:59:05:54 – 00:59:40:11
Unknown
You leave me.
00:59:40:16 – 00:59:42:20
Agent Palmer
All right, Morgan, do you have one final question for me?
00:59:42:35 – 00:59:53:01
Morgan
What do you think is the most underrated thing that people should be nerdy about, but aren’t enough? People aren’t.
00:59:53:06 – 01:00:40:14
Agent Palmer
Oh, I mean, that’s under underrated. I don’t know. Curiously, now I’m struggling to figure out what underrated means. And I say that because it infers my answer. I guess it informs my answer. You know, I have favorite authors. I don’t think any of my favorite authors are for everyone, so I don’t know that they’re underrated unless, you know, I think for people my age, I’m 41 people around me.
01:00:40:14 – 01:01:10:29
Agent Palmer
So anybody listening to this between the ages of like 32 and 50 should definitely read the works of Douglas Copeland. I don’t care what book from Douglas Copeland you read. I don’t care if you start with the one that started his career off, which is literally titled generation X, or if you read, Highly Inappropriate Tales for Young People or bit Rock or J pod or microservice.
01:01:10:29 – 01:01:54:09
Agent Palmer
I don’t care which one you read. He’s speaking to that generation. Anybody who’s 32 and considered an old soul or 40 like me or 50 and is still in that weird, not quite a millennial, not gen X, exactly. He’s underrated for that age group. Regardless of where you find yourself, social status or, you know, wherever that’s one, I also think that, I guess in the same vein as, like Douglas Copeland, but more essay based.
01:01:54:14 – 01:02:10:16
Agent Palmer
Also sticking with authors I love, I would go with Chuck Klosterman is probably criminally underrated. Underrated. People like me who know him love him, but I don’t think enough people know him.
01:02:10:20 – 01:02:11:43
Morgan
Haven’t heard of him.
01:02:11:48 – 01:02:45:05
Agent Palmer
And he was, Yeah. And what’s funny is that Klosterman last book, the first chapter, is about Copeland. So like, it was oh, wow. Of a meeting of my two fandoms in, like, one singular chapter, which was odd. And I wasn’t expecting it. But that that’s for people who read. Not everybody likes to read. So I would say, in order to get the visual medium, everybody loves video videos, the future.
01:02:45:09 – 01:02:47:23
Agent Palmer
He says on an audio only podcast.
01:02:47:28 – 01:02:48:48
Morgan
01:02:48:52 – 01:03:17:26
Agent Palmer
I think Nebula, the streaming service, Nebula, I don’t care what you watch on Nebula, but as a company and as a collection of creators who are supported and, nurtured to do what you and I do. But for video, without the restrictions of YouTube. And look, all of their videos are also available on YouTube, but usually edited because of YouTube’s regulations.
01:03:17:26 – 01:03:25:05
Agent Palmer
But Nebula is, probably that. That’s my big one. I think right now.
01:03:25:19 – 01:03:26:13
Morgan
I haven’t heard of it.
01:03:26:20 – 01:03:53:29
Agent Palmer
Yeah, it’s there’s there’s a lot of there’s a lot of creators who may or may of not have heard from YouTube, that are on there, but they also do some independent stuff and they finance some of these YouTubers to go make a movie or do, unique television series or mini series or whatever. And I, that’s why they get my money, because I’m like, I it’s it’s a, it’s a medium mission statement.
01:03:53:29 – 01:04:11:38
Agent Palmer
I get, I can get behind because they want to they care about their creators. Not so much. The content like the content is important, but they don’t call it content. It’s a video. It’s a podcast. It’s a movie.
01:04:11:43 – 01:04:12:17
Morgan
Wow.
01:04:12:17 – 01:04:18:21
Agent Palmer
Cool. So that’s that for me. That’s that’s the that might be the big one.
01:04:18:25 – 01:04:20:35
Morgan
Okay. That’s a solid answer.
01:04:20:40 – 01:04:25:39
Agent Palmer
Yeah. It took me a while to get there though. I got to get through like the things that I really like. Yeah.
01:04:25:39 – 01:04:27:34
Morgan
Yeah.
01:04:27:39 – 01:04:46:40
Agent Palmer
But that’s, that’s the one. Oh. My show. No, no, probably not. It’s not, it’s not underrated. I think I’m, I’m rated fairly. I believe, I don’t know, I don’t take stock of that. Really?
01:04:46:45 – 01:04:48:01
Morgan
Yeah.
01:04:48:06 – 01:04:57:36
Agent Palmer
I maybe for my own mental health, I have no idea. Like, I guess I’m having a good time. I don’t I don’t know what I’m rated.
01:04:57:41 – 01:05:02:41
Morgan
Yeah, yeah. I never like what you mean, like on the charts.
01:05:02:41 – 01:05:16:38
Agent Palmer
Or on the charts? I mean, I know there were charts that there are charts, there are multiple charts and every platform has its own chart. I have no idea where I rank and I don’t want to know.
01:05:16:43 – 01:05:17:06
Morgan
Yeah.
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