Episode 101 features features the return of my friend and the original Palmer Files guest, Bill Sweeney. The first 100 episodes went well let’s start the second hundred off the same way. We discuss 100 episodes of this show, guests, guilt, The Dip, go behind the scenes, talk about before there was this podcast, and just who is winning, Bill or Palmer?
Throughout the conversation, we discuss:
- Getting in the rhythm
- Always looking ahead
- Podcasting creation processes
- Hypotheticals
- Blogging
- When you are ready
- And much more
Mentioned and Helpful Links from This Episode
The Interrogation of Agent Palmer by Agent 76 (Bill Sweeney)
Lessons on New York City from Bill Sweeney
The Palmer Files Episode 1: The Dip with Bill Sweeney
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Agent Palmer
Previously on agent Palmer dot com. Despite Bernard Sampson’s lack of it, hope stands out. My trek journey continues with Star Trek two The Wrath of Khan. And now that you’ve heard from both of my parents and 100 episodes have been released, it seems my origin story should be fairly complete. This is The Palmer Files episode 101, which features the return of My friend and the original Palmer Files guest Bill Sweeney.
00:00:22:53 – 00:01:12:57
Agent Palmer
The first 100 episodes went well. Let’s start the second hundred off the same way we discuss 100 episodes of this show. Guests. Guilt. The dip. Go behind the scenes. Talk about before there was this podcast and just who is winning? Bill or me? Are you ready? Let’s do the show.
00:01:13:02 – 00:01:44:25
Agent Palmer
Hello, and welcome to The Palmer Files. I’m your host, Jason Stershic, also known as Agent Palmer. And on this 101st episode is the return of the original guest. And now the first for timer Bill Sweeney. Perhaps you remember him from 100 episodes ago when he helped launch this podcast as my first guest. Perhaps you remember when he was releasing weekly episodes of the Wicked Theory podcast, or perhaps the preacher versus preacher podcast, or as a part and executive producer of the DC TV report.
00:01:44:30 – 00:02:05:29
Agent Palmer
Some of those things are kind of still on hiatus of sorts, and some of them have gone forever. But no matter how you know him, he’s here to discuss the last hundred episodes, what we have both learned through our podcast and other creative pursuits, and perhaps a conversation about who’s winning. Perhaps someone is keeping score, who knows? All of that.
00:02:05:29 – 00:02:21:23
Agent Palmer
And a whole lot more is coming your way shortly. But first, remember, if you want to discuss the episode as you listen or afterwards, you can find all contact information for Bill and myself in the show notes. You can find more information about my friend Bill at Wicked Theory. Dot com, which is where you can find out the things that he has done.
00:02:21:31 – 00:02:46:51
Agent Palmer
And maybe, perhaps if something happens, that’s where it will go. Don’t forget, you can see all my writings and rantings on Agent palmer.com, including that one time Bill interrogated me for my interrogation series. And of course, email can be sent to the Palmer Files at gmail.com. So without further ado, let’s get into it.
00:02:46:55 – 00:02:55:18
Bill Sweeney
Palmer. Palmer. Palmer. Yeah, 101. Yeah, that’s where we are.
00:02:55:23 – 00:02:58:03
Agent Palmer
That’s where we are.
00:02:58:08 – 00:03:01:35
Bill Sweeney
How’s it going so far?
00:03:01:40 – 00:03:15:39
Agent Palmer
I mean, you you. So you you’ve been here, right? I and I was, I was, I was literally in studio for your 200. True. Which, which was the equivalent of this really?
00:03:15:44 – 00:03:19:40
Bill Sweeney
Because like, my, my 200 was like the last episode. Are you saying that. No no no.
00:03:19:43 – 00:03:31:39
Agent Palmer
No no no no no, I’m saying like you you because you did it weekly. Your 200 took you four years. And because I’m biweekly, this is basically four years ish later, give or take.
00:03:31:44 – 00:03:33:23
Bill Sweeney
Right. And.
00:03:33:28 – 00:03:56:29
Agent Palmer
I, you, I guess what I was getting to was like, you know what? It’s like like you just you once you get going, once you get in the rhythm, you just keep thinking about what the next one is. Yeah. And while yours was weekly and you didn’t really get a necessarily a breather, that I do by doing it every other week, like it’s still the same.
00:03:56:29 – 00:04:14:27
Agent Palmer
Like when I finish recording one, I think about when I’m going to edit that and when I finish recording one, I think about, all right, who’s my next guest? And when I release one, I’m like, is the next one ready? Like eight? And it’s just never ending. It’s just well, also two.
00:04:14:32 – 00:04:33:29
Bill Sweeney
Well, a difference between you and I, I was doing a for those who don’t know, I was doing a weekly like nerd news talk kind of thing with some goofy bits here and there, right. Yeah. So I only had to worry about like the next week, like.
00:04:33:33 – 00:04:34:13
Agent Palmer
Oh, well, because.
00:04:34:13 – 00:04:35:16
Bill Sweeney
Two days before.
00:04:35:18 – 00:04:37:20
Agent Palmer
Because you had a crew there as well.
00:04:37:22 – 00:04:52:41
Bill Sweeney
I had a crew, but like the news was always going to be there. Yeah, I just had to pick it out. And coming up with some kind of funny thing to do or two was like all I had to worry about also, but I only had it really at a certain point. I only had to really worry about that a couple days leading up to it.
00:04:52:41 – 00:05:03:07
Bill Sweeney
Or you would help me generate ideas too. But my point being that like you though, aren’t just working on the one episode. I know that that one time as you just made it kind of so.
00:05:03:07 – 00:05:03:32
Agent Palmer
Well.
00:05:03:37 – 00:05:27:00
Bill Sweeney
You’re also kind of kicking around in your head, you know, three episodes or more ahead, right? Because you’re trying to line up guests, you’re trying to find guests, and I want you to lock them in. You’re trying to think about them ahead of time. Also your schedule for certain episodes. So you’ll record special episodes sometimes and hold them and put them in so like.
00:05:27:05 – 00:05:28:21
Agent Palmer
Oh no, no, no. Like, let’s.
00:05:28:36 – 00:05:33:16
Bill Sweeney
Go mechanically for the show, I think you’re doing a little bit more than I was doing.
00:05:33:21 – 00:05:35:36
Agent Palmer
So yeah, I mean, I will say like.
00:05:35:36 – 00:05:39:03
Bill Sweeney
Carry for kind of baggage that I was carrying. I mean.
00:05:39:03 – 00:06:03:14
Agent Palmer
As we’re recording tonight, like I have an episode that will release after this that I’m finally starting to time things in tune with my blog. So there’s a, there’s something I recorded, that I’m waiting for a post to drop before I can release that episode.
00:06:03:19 – 00:06:06:41
Bill Sweeney
You got to wait for the paint to dry before you can sit on the bench. It’s kind of.
00:06:06:46 – 00:06:08:01
Agent Palmer
In that regard, a bad.
00:06:08:01 – 00:06:08:27
Bill Sweeney
Analogy.
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Agent Palmer
But oh no, but it works. I mean, the other thing is like, it, that might be one of the, I don’t know, outside of talk like reviewing a book and having the author on this show.
00:06:20:24 – 00:06:21:24
Bill Sweeney
Right.
00:06:21:29 – 00:06:54:09
Agent Palmer
I have not really tied those two entities together. Like I’m the sole guy behind them, you know, and I’ll just we’ll peel back. So I’ve been watching Star Trek. I have finished I’m into next Gen, as you and I are talking. But I had an episode talking to our good friend Edward O’Hare about just the OG original series and original series movies.
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Agent Palmer
Those the final movie post will drop before my episode with Ed will air. However, I recorded that with Ed because I didn’t want to know anything more, right? Right. So that was the thing where like I was like, okay, we can record this and then I’ll tie it in later. I I’ll be honest, I should have done more of that stuff over the last 100 episodes, like tying them together.
00:07:20:53 – 00:07:38:41
Bill Sweeney
Well, what’s funny is I think early on before you started the podcast. Right. And it was like kicking around ideas and like that was a conversation we had had and you were having with yourself to at a certain point, you didn’t go with it. But the idea was kind of like, well, how much do I tie this to the to the, to the blog, you know what I mean?
00:07:38:41 – 00:08:03:41
Bill Sweeney
Because I could kind of like, conceivably, you know what I mean? You could have tied it more directly, but your blog was also so dang scheduled ahead that I couldn’t imagine you trying to figure out when you would start doing it in a way like you’re I mean, unless you were doing something like, well, I’m only going to tie to the blog once a month, and then I could kind of push it into scheduling and push scheduling around.
00:08:03:41 – 00:08:27:05
Bill Sweeney
But I think conceivably that was one of the reasons besides just the besides the fact of like, hey, let’s keep these two entities a little bit separate. Let’s not make it feel like an echo of one or the other. But this idea of tying, finding ways to tie them together in this kind of way, is cool and yeah, why not do more of it moving forward if you can, if you can find the places to do it?
00:08:27:05 – 00:08:46:05
Agent Palmer
Yeah, I think that’s the thing. Like, I you you don’t want it to feel like I never want one or the other to feel like just the marketing entity, like extension of, like this is I only do this so you’ll read my blog or like, I only write this so you’ll listen to my part like, no, it’s they really are two separate.
00:08:46:05 – 00:08:52:50
Agent Palmer
But when they can cross over like like the Ed thing and yeah, like that, that seemed like a good idea at the time.
00:08:52:55 – 00:09:00:35
Bill Sweeney
I it’s just like an idea. Let’s just get an AI voice in here to read your posts and put them up as episodes. And you don’t even have to do anything really.
00:09:00:37 – 00:09:01:19
Agent Palmer
No, no.
00:09:01:31 – 00:09:09:18
Bill Sweeney
Oh, you could do less. You could do less. Like, we give them a name and an identity, right? We create this whole persona.
00:09:09:22 – 00:09:21:38
Agent Palmer
Well, okay, so hold on. Like what to do? What? Well, I’ve done, I’ve done, I’ve done this by thing, right? So, I mean, it would have to be a letter. So in Q’s already taken, so is M.
00:09:21:43 – 00:09:23:29
Bill Sweeney
And X is kind of been done.
00:09:23:29 – 00:09:33:19
Agent Palmer
Yeah. And I think you don’t want to go with you don’t want it to go with P because it stands for Palmer. And that seems like well that would just be my like and I don’t know let’s not do that.
00:09:33:28 – 00:09:33:50
Bill Sweeney
Yeah.
00:09:33:50 – 00:09:49:57
Agent Palmer
But like yeah pick a letter and go no I, I, I’ve done some solo episodes. The, the I, I am the worst part of them says you. Well yes. I mean that’s.
00:09:49:57 – 00:09:53:03
Bill Sweeney
Where you know own worst critic and all that, which.
00:09:53:08 – 00:10:21:53
Agent Palmer
By the way, has not changed. Like if like I still release episodes, go after God or like I and I think I’ve said this before on the show, but like, I don’t know if people truly believe me or like because I am kind of scheduled out. But even when I’m not, like even when I’m in a crunch and I have to record like the day something releases and I have two weeks to put it together instead of a month like usual.
00:10:21:58 – 00:10:36:30
Agent Palmer
Like I’ll record something, hang up the call and go, oh, that was, that was. And I, I, I don’t want to edit that. That’s just going to be bad. And then like, I’ll edit it and go, okay, it wasn’t that bad.
00:10:36:35 – 00:10:37:52
Bill Sweeney
Right, right right.
00:10:37:52 – 00:10:50:57
Agent Palmer
But then I listen back for the show notes and I go, oh, I don’t know. And now I’m in my own head. But it’s like, well, that’s but it’s recorded it like at that point I’m, I’m committed.
00:10:51:02 – 00:10:56:46
Bill Sweeney
Yeah. There’s nothing you can do for the moment. You get off the phone with the guest and it is what it is. It’s.
00:10:56:51 – 00:11:01:22
Agent Palmer
Yeah, I mean, it’s, it’s. Yeah. And it’s, it’s just I don’t know.
00:11:01:22 – 00:11:22:47
Bill Sweeney
And it’s and editing is not going to really save the things that you’re probably most self-conscious about because. Because like editing, you know, you edit for time, you edit for noises and maybe some sneezes or yeah, well, what have you. But like the things that are going to kill you, you know, my understanding is like, oh, my voice or the way I act.
00:11:22:52 – 00:11:34:23
Agent Palmer
Yo, it’s it’s every time it’s. Why didn’t I ask that question? Like, why? Like why is that question? Or like, oh, that’s a funny thing. You didn’t say what? Like, what were you like?
00:11:34:26 – 00:11:54:45
Bill Sweeney
Well that’s another. Yeah. But just. Yeah, but this is another. But you’re right though. But that’s, that’s probably a good skill though. Right. Because that’s your brain now in an off mode. Right. Because it’s the same thing as being like, oh why didn’t I say this in the argument to my boss or to my or my girlfriend? Right.
00:11:54:45 – 00:12:01:26
Bill Sweeney
Like I should or whoever, I should have said this, this and this. You know what I mean? It’s that same muscle, right? Like kind of thing where it’s like.
00:12:01:31 – 00:12:02:20
Agent Palmer
Yeah, I get to do it.
00:12:02:20 – 00:12:03:53
Bill Sweeney
You’re also operating in a different head.
00:12:03:53 – 00:12:10:40
Agent Palmer
Space, and every other week I get to critique myself to be like, oh, what? What kind of moron am I.
00:12:10:45 – 00:12:20:17
Bill Sweeney
Telling me about this dog? I never asked to the dog’s name. Like what? I mean, like exactly. Right. Like, how do we go through a five minute conversation about a dog? Yeah. And I never found out it was named Fitzy.
00:12:20:22 – 00:12:39:51
Agent Palmer
You know, I will say, though, it’s like it’s fun. Because I, I told a friend that I was going to have you on for one on one. I was like, I’m just going to have Bill. I’m going to run it back. Bill was on for episode one. He’s coming back for 101 like it’s we’re just going to we’re going to do it up.
00:12:39:51 – 00:12:44:25
Agent Palmer
And and in that episode we went very meta, very quickly.
00:12:44:30 – 00:12:46:00
Bill Sweeney
00:12:46:05 – 00:12:52:13
Agent Palmer
Let’s talk about this book The dip. And then I was like and should I even be doing this show.
00:12:52:18 – 00:12:53:57
Bill Sweeney
And what do you think.
00:12:54:02 – 00:12:55:03
Agent Palmer
I mean.
00:12:55:08 – 00:12:58:17
Bill Sweeney
Good idea. Bad idea. What what was.
00:12:58:28 – 00:13:00:46
Agent Palmer
You know I don’t know, I mean it’s, it seems very.
00:13:00:50 – 00:13:12:44
Bill Sweeney
You can tell me the jury’s still out. If you were to triple triple digits now and like, how does it feel like you feel like the energy’s there, you’re going to keep going? It’s a hard question. You don’t want to tell the audience maybe I don’t know.
00:13:12:46 – 00:13:28:23
Agent Palmer
No, I, I mean I have to tell the audience because I have to tell the audience that there will be more episodes because I promised you in episode one that you would be my last guest. So I have to tell them that this is not the end. True for anybody that remembers that I.
00:13:28:27 – 00:13:33:32
Bill Sweeney
Anybody keeping track at home. Yes, I am the four time MVP.
00:13:33:37 – 00:13:35:27
Agent Palmer
But this is not the end.
00:13:35:32 – 00:13:37:00
Bill Sweeney
This is not the end of my career here.
00:13:37:02 – 00:13:42:28
Agent Palmer
That’s that’s true. You have at least one more, at least one more coming back.
00:13:42:33 – 00:13:45:26
Bill Sweeney
There will always be at least one more. If we have not said.
00:13:45:36 – 00:13:45:54
Agent Palmer
It’s.
00:13:45:54 – 00:13:53:19
Bill Sweeney
The end was the end was the last one. Right? So if you’re keeping score, kids, I’m winning.
00:13:53:24 – 00:13:58:46
Agent Palmer
Well, but only if you’re keeping score in that. Because since that first episode.
00:13:58:51 – 00:13:59:22
Bill Sweeney
Oh, no.
00:13:59:24 – 00:14:02:37
Agent Palmer
Well you’ve released six.
00:14:02:41 – 00:14:05:29
Bill Sweeney
Oh.
00:14:05:34 – 00:14:06:12
Bill Sweeney
Yes.
00:14:06:17 – 00:14:09:23
Agent Palmer
And I am now in triple digits.
00:14:09:28 – 00:14:13:24
Bill Sweeney
Right, right, right. So catch. You’re catching up though I.
00:14:13:29 – 00:14:15:42
Agent Palmer
I, I okay, like.
00:14:15:53 – 00:14:22:05
Bill Sweeney
I’ve only stopped doing episodes so that you could catch up my. That’s the thing. I feel bad about you lagging behind.
00:14:22:05 – 00:14:30:36
Agent Palmer
I don’t but I don’t like that because the math on that means that in four more years, people will get fresh wicked theory podcasts.
00:14:30:41 – 00:14:31:00
Bill Sweeney
Will.
00:14:31:02 – 00:14:38:09
Agent Palmer
Will be. Will the eight year hiatus be enough for you? Will you be refreshed enough to jump back on the mic on a weekly basis?
00:14:38:09 – 00:14:49:33
Bill Sweeney
Is that I’m sure if you go back and look, I’m sure the releasing pattern on those was like nothing for two years. Two episodes in a year. Yeah, nothing for two years. Like, you know.
00:14:49:37 – 00:15:03:07
Agent Palmer
Do you miss it at all? Like I’ve pulled you into this? You go. You’ve been on this show almost as many times as you put out episodes of your own, like, and I, I know you did a side thing with Ed for the for the Patreon, but, like.
00:15:03:14 – 00:15:03:29
Bill Sweeney
Yeah.
00:15:03:37 – 00:15:19:28
Agent Palmer
When I pull you out or, like, when I go, when I call you up, like the new York episode. And I was like, hey, Bill, let’s do an episode like when you hang up with me, I don’t think I’ve ever asked, like, but when you hang up with me, are you like, that was fun. I, I maybe I’ve got the itch again or you’re like, I.
00:15:19:28 – 00:15:38:07
Bill Sweeney
Never said it was fun. Once when I hung up with you. I’m kidding. I think a few times. Maybe a couple times here or there. It depends. Because, And I don’t think it lasts long, like, I. You know what I mean? In my head, when you go to.
00:15:38:07 – 00:15:42:03
Agent Palmer
Bed, you wake up in the feelings gone like that. Thank God for that.
00:15:42:08 – 00:16:00:39
Bill Sweeney
And I tell you, I’ve. I’ve never been bitten by the bug like I was, before I started the show. Okay? Or, you know, I always had to get it burnt out on the show. Like in those last, like, like, 20 episodes or so, I guess. Like, if I, if I had to kind of take a guess, like, you know what I mean?
00:16:00:39 – 00:16:26:58
Bill Sweeney
I’m sure if I went back, I’d probably find some area. But like, you know, I would say like the last like 20 or so maybe. So I kind of that’s where I started feeling burnt by it. But since then, like, yeah, I definitely get I definitely walked away with like, oh, that was fun to do to turn the equipment on and fucking and, you know, goof around with the mics and stuff and hang out and qubits, you know, and, scoop for you.
00:16:27:03 – 00:16:39:34
Bill Sweeney
The flash TV show is ending and Ed, I think that there might be an episode of DC TV report in the future. I think.
00:16:39:39 – 00:16:41:43
Agent Palmer
What’s funny is like.
00:16:41:48 – 00:16:45:31
Bill Sweeney
Because that’s like the show that started it all for for that podcast, so.
00:16:45:35 – 00:16:54:20
Agent Palmer
Well, it so what’s funny is, I now talk to add more than I talk to you, which was different than it was.
00:16:54:25 – 00:17:03:46
Bill Sweeney
Try not for so long or that was always my plan just to figure out how do I get these two to leave me alone. And just go talk to each other? Oh. How how do I make this happen?
00:17:03:48 – 00:17:30:58
Agent Palmer
But but it I feel like and I, I this is not ego. This is just looking at the facts. When I was calling you on a more regular basis, it felt like we were talking about more projects. And now, because we don’t talk that much, we just kind of catch up. And I never get to really say, hey, Bill, what about the cat post?
00:17:31:02 – 00:18:00:18
Agent Palmer
Or like or like, hey Bill, when are you going to start streaming? Or like, hey, Bill, I got an idea for an episode, like, because we don’t talk. Yeah, as we used to, those things went away. And I’m not putting this on me because I don’t want the blame either. But like, there was that time at the height of it where you were also socially talking to other creators, you know, Ginger and Grant and like, there were there were other people that I know you don’t talk to as much anymore.
00:18:00:23 – 00:18:01:02
Agent Palmer
Is there I.
00:18:01:02 – 00:18:02:14
Bill Sweeney
Don’t talk to anybody anymore.
00:18:02:16 – 00:18:07:57
Agent Palmer
Is there an isolation of it where it’s like you’re not surrounded by these people that are just.
00:18:08:01 – 00:18:34:05
Bill Sweeney
I’m surrounded by nobody. I mean, if we want to get down to it, I would hate. And I know that some people probably do. And this goes for other friends in my life, too, that like, are not my friends. My, my real life friends. Like, you know me. Like I become such a recluse who just comes home and just hesitates and, you know, watches stupid stuff on the internet, and goes to bed and gets up for work the next morning.
00:18:34:09 – 00:18:53:11
Bill Sweeney
I don’t call anybody. It’s really like you got to call me, like, you know what I mean? I remember I explain this to a couple of friends and I, I don’t know how much they believed it because I, I could imagine being on the other end of hearing that and still thinking, well, it just doesn’t completely cancel out my suspicion that maybe you don’t talk to me no more.
00:18:53:26 – 00:18:58:26
Bill Sweeney
Well, you know what I mean. So, like, because I just know that’s how the human mind works.
00:18:58:27 – 00:18:59:48
Agent Palmer
No. That’s fine. I mean.
00:18:59:52 – 00:19:24:53
Bill Sweeney
So, like, I, you know, if anybody, if any of them are listening, like Grant or J or because I know my IRL friends will never hear this, but like, you know, I would like them to know that, like, it is not a you thing like, is there really Ed and Palmer still call me, however infrequently it may be, but the only people who call me.
00:19:24:57 – 00:19:27:31
Bill Sweeney
And so the other only conversations I have on the phone.
00:19:27:36 – 00:19:36:45
Agent Palmer
But I. But I want to get back to the question though, like, oh, if you were surrounded by people that were at that time also creating a lot of stuff.
00:19:36:49 – 00:19:37:15
Bill Sweeney
Okay.
00:19:37:15 – 00:20:00:28
Agent Palmer
Right. Do you think like part of the reason that you even made it to 200 was because you were surrounded by other people that were creating stuff and now and I’m not, I’m not calling you out for isolation. I think everybody needs their space as well. But like you’re not nearly as surrounded by people creating stuff. And specifically you and I don’t talk about that like we used to either.
00:20:00:35 – 00:20:01:07
Bill Sweeney
00:20:01:11 – 00:20:23:19
Agent Palmer
Because we used to bounce ideas for the show or. Yeah, whatever all the time. Do you think if that’s I mean, it’s it’s such a hypothetical, but like, if we started that back up again, would it, would it click maybe not kick start like a weekly thing, but would it kick you back into maybe holding on to the I want to create something more?
00:20:23:24 – 00:20:26:26
Bill Sweeney
Oh, wait a minute. Are you asking me if I start making something?
00:20:26:27 – 00:20:34:44
Agent Palmer
No. I’m saying, like, if you and I started having more regular conversations about creating something, would it kick start everything?
00:20:34:54 – 00:20:39:06
Bill Sweeney
It might. I mean, I don’t know, but, because.
00:20:39:06 – 00:20:57:39
Agent Palmer
I just, I just look at it like your isolation from. Yeah, those creators happened at the same time you stopped creating. And it’s really hard not to draw that parallel. Like, I know it could be. Any number of other things felt like that’s parallel.
00:20:57:39 – 00:21:13:45
Bill Sweeney
I am definitely I am definitely like a reactive creator where historically, the more I was in the pocket of headspace.
00:21:13:50 – 00:21:15:36
Agent Palmer
Other people creating podcasts.
00:21:15:38 – 00:21:38:03
Bill Sweeney
Other people creating podcasts, or me watching painters and artists and reading comics, or me reading books like would lead me to wanting to make a podcast or, you know, or, you know, write or draw, like, you know, I mean, those are my creative outlets, right? And I haven’t been doing any of that. But like, I get like, I don’t feel and there’s nothing I don’t really feel guilty when people ask me, hey, you still doing the podcast?
00:21:38:03 – 00:21:45:58
Bill Sweeney
Because I get those questions from people who never listened. So why would they know if I was doing it? It’s like I haven’t done it in a long time, actually. Yeah.
00:21:46:00 – 00:21:57:25
Agent Palmer
I mean, I think, but the listeners would be the ones who’d be like, when are you coming back? Not are you still do it? Like, are you still doing it? Dead giveaway for it hasn’t ever listened. Yeah.
00:21:57:30 – 00:21:59:10
Bill Sweeney
Exactly.
00:21:59:15 – 00:22:02:01
Agent Palmer
Is your is your show still on the air?
00:22:02:05 – 00:22:31:10
Bill Sweeney
Right. Exactly. You know, you’re still doing that? No. Okay. But, like, you know, those things, yeah. So being in the pocket of a thing or having it in my head space historically has done that. But like I said, like, I just haven’t been, like, doing anything creative. And even up until, like, maybe like, a year ago, I was still getting, like, writing ideas that would make me open up a Google doc and I’d punch up a paragraph or a page because I kind of have like an idea.
00:22:31:10 – 00:22:56:26
Bill Sweeney
So it’s like, oh, what would the first page of that book be like, okay, let’s write that. Fucking old rusty Camaro. Fucking rip it up. Ripping up the streets at night. Okay. What’s going on? You know what I mean? That kind of thing, you know, but, just dry spell city like and like. No general guilt about it.
00:22:56:31 – 00:23:16:38
Bill Sweeney
I’m getting so comfortable in not doing anything that, like, even the other day, I was talking to somebody, and I was like, I’m wondering when I’m going to start to feel like shit for not making stuff, because that used to happen a lot to where, like if I was going through spells where it wasn’t like certainly before the podcast too.
00:23:16:45 – 00:23:37:15
Bill Sweeney
Yeah, because the podcast ended up kind of becoming the outlet for a long time. But before the podcast, it was like, oh man. Like if I wasn’t like kind of writing or kind of doing some art and I would be thinking about it, I would feel like it’s, oh yeah, it is missing from my life or fuck, I should be doing that more like you.
00:23:37:18 – 00:23:54:20
Bill Sweeney
You mean this kind of thing? And now when I think about it, it’s like, man, I’m like, you know, the guy who asked me about the podcast only kind of asked me that because he knows that that’s my bag. Like kind of in a way. He knows it’s like, oh, I’m a creative guy. So like, his next question after we talked about the podcast was like, you’ve been drawn, you do any painting?
00:23:54:25 – 00:23:59:57
Bill Sweeney
Yeah. I mean, and I’m like, oh my God, stop the Inquisition and the guilt trip and Van.
00:24:00:01 – 00:24:00:38
Agent Palmer
Well, yeah, I’m.
00:24:00:41 – 00:24:07:58
Bill Sweeney
I’m a shitty do nothing. Leave me alone. Like, it’s like I don’t even know if it’s procrastination or just kind of. I’ve gotten too comfortable, you know?
00:24:08:03 – 00:24:13:27
Agent Palmer
Is this your longest dry spell? Because I’m sure you’ve had other dry spells.
00:24:13:32 – 00:24:14:24
Bill Sweeney
Quite possibly.
00:24:14:37 – 00:24:15:26
Agent Palmer
Okay.
00:24:15:31 – 00:24:45:27
Bill Sweeney
You know, certainly for, like in the aspect where I’m, like doing nothing, you know what I mean? Yeah. But like I because with art, it depends on how you want to talk about it. Like I have paper at work, a clipboard. It has like paper on it that has like my doodles from what I when I’ll just doodle at work is I have like five minutes or, you know, I’ll start a drawing kind of a thing like a little character thing and, and like, I can kind of chip away at it fucking whenever, however, over weeks, like kind of a thing.
00:24:45:27 – 00:25:03:48
Bill Sweeney
So it sits there like, I mean, so it’s like, what do you count as art? But like my whole art setup, my table, my art supplies and all that shit, that stuff has been untouched in my apartment since I moved in. Like I haven’t painted anything in the longest time.
00:25:03:53 – 00:25:20:26
Agent Palmer
Because. Because I remember you. Like, that was the thing that, like, I don’t know if I ever told you this, but, like, I was most upset that you when you showed me what you were doing with sculptures and, like, just random pieces of junk.
00:25:20:31 – 00:25:21:09
Bill Sweeney
Yeah. No. My cat.
00:25:21:11 – 00:25:39:30
Agent Palmer
You hadn’t ever touched it, like, because that was something you were like, oh, hey, this is something I did way back when. Yeah. And it looks cool. And then you’re like, yeah, but like a kind of collect a few pieces, like, here’s a few bolts I might use once, but I just don’t create that anymore.
00:25:39:35 – 00:26:01:42
Bill Sweeney
And the funny thing is, is that that’s the stuff like, I like the most that I’m the most proud of. And like, what’s great about it is it’s kind of like there’s a certain amount of like, all right, there’s some planning that goes on, but it can be a very random kind of thing. Right? Because I’m using all these small, junky pieces from things I’ve taken apart and just gluing them onto an object, you know what I mean?
00:26:01:42 – 00:26:35:39
Bill Sweeney
So it’s like, sure, some of them should look like it makes sense what they’re doing, but I’m not, like kind of going, oh, not all of it is going crazy with layout. So the random creativeness is kind of cool, right? Like, you know, just assembling and cutting some stuff here. They’re gluing shit like, you know, so it’s it’s got a great mindless quality to some of it, like, as opposed to like other paintings or drawings where maybe if it’s not abstract, you are actually thinking about what you’re doing, you know, so but like I but I, I lost my track on that a little bit.
00:26:35:39 – 00:26:54:47
Bill Sweeney
But my, the sin of it all is that, like, I do have a lot of those nuts and bolts, like I do have a lot of that junk I have like totes of that shit. Like, and I think about it all the time and, and the aspect of the truth, I, I should be making stuff, so just like I can get rid of it.
00:26:54:52 – 00:26:56:23
Agent Palmer
Well, I was going to say like, is it so.
00:26:56:24 – 00:27:09:54
Bill Sweeney
Like, I don’t have this crap that I got to worry about moving one day or somebody else if I die, you know what I mean? Has to fucking like, what do we do with all this shit? I don’t just oh, please throw it out. Like, you know, like like if it’s not a finished piece of art, just fucking throw it out.
00:27:09:54 – 00:27:20:55
Agent Palmer
So. So there’s not a part of it. So you. So you don’t really think about, like. Oh, I should like. So the reminder is, oh, I have all this stuff. The reminder is not, oh, I should do something with it.
00:27:21:05 – 00:27:45:02
Bill Sweeney
I’m at a point now because like my, I kind of had like an eye for that kind of junk stuff, right. Like, yeah. Like, oh, I find something in the street or like at work, I’d find some nuts and bolts somewhere, or I find some weird fucking metal doodad. You know, some. But, like, would be, like, intrinsically cool to me because I could see being, like, a focal point or something, and I used to grab that shit out of my pocket, take it home.
00:27:45:02 – 00:28:00:11
Bill Sweeney
But nowadays I’m starting to see that shit and be like, oh, like that would be a cool. And then I’m like, I’m never going to do nothing with it. I’m at that point now where it’s like, I’m starting to like, be real. That voice is now crept in where it’s just like, you’re not going to do it.
00:28:00:16 – 00:28:01:39
Bill Sweeney
And it’s like, fuck.
00:28:01:44 – 00:28:26:26
Agent Palmer
I mean, do you think it just takes one? Like. Like just one, just like, built, like just, you know, tomorrow, do the thing, like and then like. Cause I feel like at this point, you’ve reached, you’ve reached this thing where it’s like, all right, build one tomorrow, and then, you’re going to love it or be you’re going to be like, all right, time to get rid of all that shit.
00:28:26:31 – 00:28:45:33
Bill Sweeney
There’s see, I might start it again and never fucking finish it. Like it might just sit on the table like a lot of projects would, you know what I mean? But that was also the process with that stuff too. Was like, oh, I’m not doing this for my career. So there’d be like, no rush. And it’s not like a painting where I gotta worry about, like, you know, something drawing or something like that.
00:28:45:33 – 00:29:01:08
Bill Sweeney
Yeah. But, like, you know, this mechanical stuff, it’s all it’s assemblage, you know what I mean? So it’s like, if I don’t get to it for five days, I don’t get to for five days. So that’s why when some people ask me, oh, how long that looks intricate. How long did something like that take you? I have, like, no clue.
00:29:01:13 – 00:29:03:03
Agent Palmer
You’re like five years. Like.
00:29:03:12 – 00:29:22:16
Bill Sweeney
Yeah, I’m like tired. I don’t know, man. Like, all I know is, is a date on the back, like, that’s like, you know, that’s when I finished it, you know what I mean? Like, that’s the best I can tell you, but, like, you know, because none of these projects were ever, like, you know, start to finish, like, you know, like when I see, like an artist is like, oh, this took me like 18 hours.
00:29:22:16 – 00:29:25:01
Bill Sweeney
I’m like, well, God bless you, man. You know what I mean?
00:29:25:01 – 00:29:26:36
Agent Palmer
Like, well.
00:29:26:43 – 00:29:44:30
Bill Sweeney
Clearly some of this shit shouldn’t take me that long. Like, I could be conceivably banging this shit out and putting it up on Etsy. You know, or one of these people, and I probably should, you know what I mean? Because it’s like I could still watch stupid shit. Just put the screen in front of me in front of my workspace.
00:29:44:30 – 00:29:52:27
Bill Sweeney
And I mean, and have stuff playing in the background. That’s what everybody else does. But it’s hard to muster up the motivation, it seems.
00:29:52:32 – 00:30:15:32
Agent Palmer
I mean, that’s that’s the key, right? Well, yeah, I think that’s where that’s the it’s the only way I got to 100 because I have had these, it kind of turned into a scenario where the podcast and the blog mimic each other, where like there are times when I’m recording and I’m like, by the way, this won’t air for like three months.
00:30:15:36 – 00:30:16:02
Bill Sweeney
Right?
00:30:16:04 – 00:30:45:22
Agent Palmer
Right. And then what happens is when I build myself that buffer, I know that eventually I will lose all motivation and that sometime in that buffer, I will spend two weeks going, I have to get something ready for the next episode, but I just don’t want to write and and like it’s happened multiple times in the last bunch of episodes where it’s like, I got so far ahead, I never feel comfortable.
00:30:45:22 – 00:31:04:48
Agent Palmer
Like, I think that’s important. Like, I’ve never felt like I had enough to be like, all right, I’m good. This is like, it never feels comfortable because it’s always like, well, I’m five guests saying no away from panicking and having nothing because like the the solo episodes I’ve either planned out.
00:31:04:53 – 00:31:05:12
Bill Sweeney
00:31:05:25 – 00:31:13:45
Agent Palmer
Or I panicked and I had one in my back pocket and I was like okay, I can, I can fill that gap and buy myself some time.
00:31:13:59 – 00:31:14:23
Bill Sweeney
Right.
00:31:14:33 – 00:31:37:06
Agent Palmer
Most of the time it’s from guest, guest, guest. And I’m always panicking about like, well, who’s next? And like, I like having you back on. Well, I, I love you, Bill. I don’t want you on every other episode. Like, I still want to kind of make it different. So like, there’s a panic to where it’s like, where the hell am I going to find another stranger?
00:31:37:11 – 00:32:02:18
Bill Sweeney
Like, right. Yeah. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. It’s an interesting, like kind of. It’s an interesting situation you’re in because of that. Like, you know what I mean? That like, oh like luckily you have kind of a buffer, Lee. Like, you know what I mean? Because like, if you were going like, more like a week to week kind of thing, or, you know, if you got that down low, yeah, you’d be fucked.
00:32:02:23 – 00:32:09:19
Bill Sweeney
You would be calling me. Yeah, I know I to be on more often. I think. You know what I mean. Well, you know, I.
00:32:09:19 – 00:32:17:46
Agent Palmer
It’s, I, I don’t know, I don’t know, like, it feels like for everything I’ve learned, I still know absolutely nothing.
00:32:17:51 – 00:32:21:41
Bill Sweeney
Well, I don’t know if that’s as true as I.
00:32:21:46 – 00:32:23:58
Agent Palmer
I just feel okay. How about the if feels.
00:32:23:58 – 00:32:26:38
Bill Sweeney
That might be an internal thing. You might feel that, but go on.
00:32:26:47 – 00:32:54:30
Agent Palmer
Yeah. No, I mean that’s definitely the way it feels like because people are like, well how do you because the, the sad truth of the whole thing. Is, when people hear podcaster, I cease to be a blogger, like, I, I’m like, I don’t know what happens in the brain, like because I try and say, like, I have a blog and I have a podcast.
00:32:54:43 – 00:33:00:20
Agent Palmer
I say both because I don’t. I’m proud of both. And I don’t want to shortchange either.
00:33:00:25 – 00:33:02:11
Bill Sweeney
Yeah, but podcast is sexier.
00:33:02:16 – 00:33:12:49
Agent Palmer
No matter what order I say it in. I have a podcast and a blog. No one ever. Here’s blog whether I lead with it or close with it. It’s like I, I write because.
00:33:12:49 – 00:33:31:55
Bill Sweeney
We’re because we’re at a part now where everybody knows exactly what a blog is. So either like they’ve had one or they know what it is. But the interesting thing is that podcasting is still kind of new to a lot of people, or they listen to them already. Right? So the natural instinct is to be like, oh, I listen to podcasts.
00:33:31:55 – 00:33:36:42
Bill Sweeney
What’s your podcast? Or like? I’ve heard of podcasts, what I podcast podcasts. Yeah, I.
00:33:36:42 – 00:33:43:10
Agent Palmer
Guess, I guess ten years ago. Right? Yeah. I guess ten years ago the blog would have been a hell of a lot sexier.
00:33:43:14 – 00:33:46:43
Bill Sweeney
Maybe more than ten years.
00:33:46:48 – 00:33:51:29
Bill Sweeney
Everyone, I think Myspace was still around. And but.
00:33:51:34 – 00:33:53:53
Agent Palmer
But I like being a writer. Like.
00:33:53:58 – 00:34:11:07
Bill Sweeney
That’s literally a blog post. A blog is still kick ass and blogs are still around blogs. Just wish there was another word for blogs. That’s all. They’re just like, we have a new term that’s like, it’s that doesn’t feel like as you know, fucking,
00:34:11:12 – 00:34:12:33
Agent Palmer
I mean, it’s very G.
00:34:12:35 – 00:34:14:12
Bill Sweeney
Does it feels GeoCities.
00:34:14:23 – 00:34:26:26
Agent Palmer
Well, yeah, it’s very, it’s very web 1.0. Right. Like instant like and now I, I don’t even know what number web we’re on right now, but, like, we’re definitely far beyond 1.0.
00:34:26:31 – 00:34:43:10
Bill Sweeney
I was doing a, you know, review blog, basically on my Myspace page. That’s why I said it, you know, for, 24, you know, the old Kiefer Kiefer Sutherland show where I would just kind of write stupid shit, like, by the minute.
00:34:43:14 – 00:34:46:02
Agent Palmer
Oh, a minute by minute blog. Yeah.
00:34:46:07 – 00:34:53:10
Bill Sweeney
It would just be like, you’d have to watch the episode to catch any of these references. But eventually, like, I realized, I had to write contextually like.
00:34:53:15 – 00:34:56:25
Agent Palmer
So you were live tweeting before it was a thing.
00:34:56:30 – 00:35:17:32
Bill Sweeney
Actually. Kind of. Yeah, yeah, I guess because I wasn’t rewatching them, I was kind of like jamming notes and then like crunch and stuff during commercial breaks. But, just to say that like, yeah, blogs, blogs have got some time on them, I don’t think. I think it’s been demystified for a lot of people like you. What I mean.
00:35:17:37 – 00:35:20:17
Agent Palmer
Yeah, I don’t, I don’t know, I just so you.
00:35:20:17 – 00:35:31:46
Bill Sweeney
Name them to bring it back around. So when you rattle these things off to people like, sorry, I know that you’re probably in a lot of ways as equally, if not more proud of the work you’ve done on your blog.
00:35:31:51 – 00:35:32:40
Agent Palmer
Oh, yeah.
00:35:32:44 – 00:35:42:50
Bill Sweeney
Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, because that’s what I know about you, that people may not realize that, like, despite the success. Well, what’s going on here with the podcast? Like you’re a baby is the blog.
00:35:43:00 – 00:35:44:52
Agent Palmer
Yeah, it’s and it’s still like.
00:35:44:57 – 00:35:46:54
Bill Sweeney
This is your stepchild, but that’s your baby.
00:35:47:08 – 00:36:14:32
Agent Palmer
Yeah. It’s what’s funny is like even still like from the from the from the moment I kick off that first episode. Previously on Agent palmer.com I leave with the last two blog posts I’ve written and yet still everybody’s like, oh, your podcaster. The first thing I say on every episode is what I just wrote, and everybody’s like, oh, I wonder what he’s talking about this time around?
00:36:14:32 – 00:36:17:10
Agent Palmer
Like, yeah, I, I, I wrote this.
00:36:17:10 – 00:36:29:12
Bill Sweeney
Are you are you catching the point? People like, this is actually, this is actually a promo for the blog right here. This is not just something I’m making up, you know, which would be cooler.
00:36:29:16 – 00:36:30:12
Agent Palmer
Made might be if.
00:36:30:12 – 00:36:33:37
Bill Sweeney
You didn’t have a blog, but you were saying that there were blog posts.
00:36:33:42 – 00:36:34:09
Agent Palmer
Oh, that.
00:36:34:09 – 00:36:36:08
Bill Sweeney
Would be that. That actually didn’t exist.
00:36:36:17 – 00:36:40:17
Agent Palmer
That’s not that’s too meta for me. I don’t think I could I.
00:36:40:22 – 00:36:45:01
Bill Sweeney
I do a contest. You should do a contest where.
00:36:45:06 – 00:36:50:01
Agent Palmer
You start sneaking in blog posts. I didn’t write in that beginning, basically.
00:36:50:01 – 00:37:09:39
Bill Sweeney
But what you do is you just reveal, like, you know, like in episode 150. All right, folks, for the last several episodes, I’ve been rattling off blog posts that do not exist. How many episodes have I been doing that? Like, I mean, so they, you know, they have to do some work. You know what I mean? But yeah, that’s fair.
00:37:09:44 – 00:37:13:13
Bill Sweeney
Turns out you were only doing it for like the last, like 3 or 4 or 5 or 7.
00:37:13:18 – 00:37:20:40
Agent Palmer
It turns out no one who listens to this show reads that. And nobody who reads that listens like it’s just like, there’s.
00:37:20:41 – 00:37:22:21
Bill Sweeney
No with that to be.
00:37:22:34 – 00:37:24:06
Agent Palmer
Oh, no.
00:37:24:11 – 00:37:30:59
Bill Sweeney
Oh, so no entries for this contest. I mean, you’ll have like a million questions of why does does does nobody care?
00:37:31:04 – 00:37:33:31
Agent Palmer
Like I’ve thought about I’ve thought about it because.
00:37:33:32 – 00:37:34:56
Bill Sweeney
Like, oh, but you know what I mean. Yeah.
00:37:34:56 – 00:37:45:15
Agent Palmer
You, you, you had a contest early on like. Yeah. Was it the first ten episodes where you hit the number? Was it the first time?
00:37:45:20 – 00:37:45:27
Bill Sweeney
Or.
00:37:45:27 – 00:37:47:14
Agent Palmer
Five, I know, yes.
00:37:47:15 – 00:37:48:51
Bill Sweeney
I think it was the first ten.
00:37:48:56 – 00:38:03:22
Agent Palmer
Okay. And, it was, it was kind of eye opening because, like, we’re all in at that time, we were as indie as we got. You started from zero. It’s not like you’re a celebrity already. Start. You know, you start it from there and you’re like, oh.
00:38:03:23 – 00:38:08:19
Bill Sweeney
Dude, I feel we could very yeah, I did right? Yeah, I know I did it for a preacher verse preacher.
00:38:08:19 – 00:38:19:00
Agent Palmer
You did it for wicked theory because wicked theory, it. Step one. The wicked theory one, which is how she bought her preacher books, which is how I know that.
00:38:19:05 – 00:38:24:45
Bill Sweeney
Right? Right, right, right, right. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I’m sorry I derailed your point, but. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but.
00:38:24:50 – 00:38:32:56
Agent Palmer
But like I and that lives in my head because I’m like. Bill had no audience when he started a contest.
00:38:33:01 – 00:38:33:53
Bill Sweeney
Yeah yeah yeah.
00:38:33:55 – 00:38:35:15
Agent Palmer
Like. And he did it.
00:38:35:20 – 00:38:35:38
Bill Sweeney
Yeah.
00:38:35:38 – 00:38:56:14
Agent Palmer
And it’s like the I just, I just, I just, I don’t, I don’t know, like there’s a part of me that’s like, well if I ran a contest, right, should I do it for the podcast or the blog? Because I wouldn’t want to force people to tie it together because that’s like it is asking a lot for somebody who’s willing to read five minutes of a blog versus listening to an hour of a podcast like that.
00:38:56:18 – 00:39:00:32
Agent Palmer
I know there is some overlap, but that seems like a lot.
00:39:00:37 – 00:39:24:41
Bill Sweeney
Yeah, I think it would depend on how you structured it, because I think I think there are ways you could probably do that where it wouldn’t feel like like you wouldn’t be asking for too much heavy lifting, you know what I mean? You make it something simple, like, okay, just, you know, one of my recent posts, like, there’s a hidden there’s there’s a picture, you know what I mean?
00:39:24:41 – 00:39:41:39
Bill Sweeney
That doesn’t belong. You know what I mean? And so it’s like, you know, whenever your last post saw one of them has a random picture of a of a donkey for no reason whatsoever, like I mean, was just something that feels like, well, this is all about Star Trek. Why is there a picture of, like, you know, Chef Boyardee?
00:39:41:50 – 00:39:50:54
Bill Sweeney
Like, you don’t? I mean, what’s up? You know something? Well, it’s relatively simple. I just like, I think it depends on how much hoops, quote unquote, like you’re asking them to jump through.
00:39:50:55 – 00:39:57:02
Agent Palmer
Well, that and the other thing is like, I’ve done it. It feels like I would.
00:39:57:07 – 00:40:02:25
Bill Sweeney
If you did it. To me, it feels like if you did do a contest, like one of them was asking you to check out the other one somehow.
00:40:02:27 – 00:40:12:05
Agent Palmer
Yeah. It it it’s very weird because, like, I feel like I’ve, everybody wants to grow their audience, but it feel like I’ve found my audience.
00:40:12:10 – 00:40:13:26
Bill Sweeney
And I don’t.
00:40:13:30 – 00:40:15:31
Agent Palmer
I don’t.
00:40:15:36 – 00:40:17:32
Bill Sweeney
I don’t want to ask them for, like.
00:40:17:37 – 00:40:25:38
Agent Palmer
I, I’m just happy they listen or that they read or whichever part of the or the, the few people that do both. Like, I’m just.
00:40:25:42 – 00:40:40:44
Bill Sweeney
If you were going to do that kind of thing, like a giveaway type thing or contest, you would do it some other way. It would just be like first person to email me with the correct answer to this thing gets it like, you know me or something. Yeah, I don’t like it would be straightforward. It wouldn’t it be like,
00:40:40:49 – 00:40:44:02
Agent Palmer
Edit hoops? I also don’t feel like.
00:40:44:06 – 00:40:45:38
Bill Sweeney
That’s your bag. That’s what you do.
00:40:45:40 – 00:40:54:54
Agent Palmer
Yeah. It seems. Yeah it doesn’t I, I’m not you know, I use you as an example because you didn’t know anything like, I’m not. And I’m not picking on you, but like.
00:40:54:59 – 00:40:55:08
Bill Sweeney
You.
00:40:55:17 – 00:40:59:44
Agent Palmer
You were just trying stuff. And I still. I feel like I still am.
00:40:59:49 – 00:41:01:44
Bill Sweeney
Yeah.
00:41:01:49 – 00:41:08:02
Agent Palmer
So I, I mean, I could, but, like, I feel like I got a decent rhythm.
00:41:08:07 – 00:41:08:33
Bill Sweeney
00:41:09:48 – 00:41:42:12
Agent Palmer
And at the very least enough of one to weather the lack of motivation because it’s, I know you’re going through a years long slump at this point ville, but like I have gone through like oh thank God I had written a few posts ahead like, you know, like that still happens. I feel like, not maybe I need to talk about it more, just like people see, like, weekly, weekly, weekly.
00:41:42:17 – 00:42:03:39
Agent Palmer
And then every two weeks, a podcast comes out. But, like, it’s not it’s not nearly as easy as it looks. And there are times when it’s like, it’s it’s not that life happens, you know what I mean? It’s not that, like, I went on a vacation and I just couldn’t write. It’s sometimes like I’m just home and have no motivation.
00:42:03:44 – 00:42:06:35
Bill Sweeney
I have no desire for it’s gone. Yeah.
00:42:06:46 – 00:42:10:51
Agent Palmer
Like I’m watching this thing that I should probably write about.
00:42:10:56 – 00:42:36:44
Bill Sweeney
Yeah, yeah. Well, you know what it is too. It’s like, well, you know, there’s a certain amount of it where it’s like, you know, you’re at your own discretion with it, right? Because this isn’t our bread and butter. Yeah. So I think that would obviously drastically change things. Oh, like, I mean, like there’s a reason why Stephen King writes every day from 10:00 to fucking 1:00.
00:42:36:44 – 00:42:57:09
Bill Sweeney
Like, I mean, and and that’s it. You know, he’s figured out his system, his pattern, but he has to write every day, like, every. I mean, because he’s become that machine. Also, don’t get me wrong internally like I mean he quote unquote has to write. Oh but like but like, you know, if you were trying to be this for your career, you know what I mean?
00:42:57:09 – 00:43:04:42
Bill Sweeney
I think it would be a different thing. You’ve never you’ve had no intention is, generally speaking, to make this your breadwinner.
00:43:04:53 – 00:43:06:39
Agent Palmer
No. Yeah. I it’s.
00:43:06:39 – 00:43:07:06
Bill Sweeney
So.
00:43:07:06 – 00:43:07:38
Agent Palmer
Like right now.
00:43:07:38 – 00:43:09:03
Bill Sweeney
It’s two it’s very different.
00:43:09:03 – 00:43:11:22
Agent Palmer
It’s still too much fun.
00:43:11:26 – 00:43:11:46
Bill Sweeney
Yeah.
00:43:11:59 – 00:43:12:53
Agent Palmer
And I.
00:43:12:58 – 00:43:34:29
Bill Sweeney
I say zero because there is zero pressure on you except whatever you have internally. Yeah. Like it’s not like, okay. I got to get these episodes out, I got, I got to do this. I got to keep this machine rolling. I got to make sure that, I’m working my fucking, you know. Oh, my, my promotion and and my algorithm manipulation.
00:43:34:35 – 00:43:58:55
Bill Sweeney
My, my Google senses and my, you know, there’s this isn’t that kind of machine. This is to a different degree, this is a little bit more of a passion project, kind of a thing, where it’s like, it is what it is. Whatever terms of success there are high, low, middle, indifferent. It’s all good because it’s like.
00:43:59:00 – 00:44:03:29
Bill Sweeney
I just want to enjoy what I’m doing and I’m cool with it being just that.
00:44:03:33 – 00:44:04:31
Agent Palmer
Yeah. You know, I.
00:44:04:31 – 00:44:15:00
Bill Sweeney
Think other people get into podcasting and it’s like motivations are different. It’s like, I want this thing to blow up. I want this to be the thing I do like, you know what I mean? It depends on where your head’s at, right? Like, you know.
00:44:15:09 – 00:44:47:46
Agent Palmer
I think it also depends on where you start and where you’re coming from. Like I’ve seen celebrities, especially during the pandemic, start a podcast because there was nothing else going on. And the moment, like the moment the mask mandates ended and they were like, oh, I can get back to work. No more episodes, right? And it’s like, okay, well, clearly the motivations were different, but it’s also like I’ve seen, I’ve seen YouTube content creators get into the podcasting space.
00:44:47:51 – 00:44:55:54
Agent Palmer
And they’re starting with ten, 20, 30, a million subscribers. So their motivations and or.
00:44:55:59 – 00:44:56:23
Bill Sweeney
00:44:56:43 – 00:45:14:01
Agent Palmer
Like litmus test for success. Very different. Right. Like I was not known like like I didn’t we joke about the proxy cast, but that still doesn’t get me quote unquote known beyond like however many people happened to listen to all those shows.
00:45:14:12 – 00:45:15:24
Bill Sweeney
Right, right, right.
00:45:15:24 – 00:45:29:35
Agent Palmer
And I knew all those people like those people already knew me before. And so. Yeah, but but I do see like I do want to step up the level of like guest engagement.
00:45:29:40 – 00:45:30:01
Bill Sweeney
00:45:30:46 – 00:45:36:38
Agent Palmer
And it’s something Dan was that from podcast. I just always said he’s like once you get your first C-level person.
00:45:36:42 – 00:45:37:19
Bill Sweeney
00:45:37:24 – 00:45:51:10
Agent Palmer
You can start aiming for B because at least there’s a few people on the B level that know the C person. Right. And then you can the B level get you to a level because they’re like oh you got that person who I was in that movie with.
00:45:51:14 – 00:45:52:25
Bill Sweeney
Right, right.
00:45:52:30 – 00:45:55:05
Agent Palmer
I, I always do try and like.
00:45:55:10 – 00:45:56:13
Bill Sweeney
Keep tapping that to.
00:45:56:20 – 00:45:57:41
Agent Palmer
Keep tapping what’s next.
00:45:57:41 – 00:46:00:37
Bill Sweeney
But that ceiling kind of keep kind of like right, right, right right.
00:46:00:37 – 00:46:17:01
Agent Palmer
But I love the, the unknown people too. Like the, the strangers I’ve talked to who no one’s ever heard of. And I am their only podcast appearance. Some of those are the most fun because they they don’t have like you.
00:46:17:01 – 00:46:24:45
Bill Sweeney
You spoke to a lady. I forget her name. Okay. Sweet lady. She was an artist.
00:46:24:50 – 00:46:26:39
Agent Palmer
Oh, yeah. The one who started the school.
00:46:26:43 – 00:46:49:36
Bill Sweeney
She was a great guest. And, maybe I was a little underwhelmed at her web presence. We’ll just leave it at that, right? Yeah. Okay. But I was kind of like, you know, just as entranced with her conversation and what she had to say as anybody else. Yeah, right. She wasn’t a young person, I forget it.
00:46:49:45 – 00:46:57:16
Agent Palmer
I don’t know, she was. Yeah, she was. She was basically in her second career, like the second phase of her life or what have you.
00:46:57:16 – 00:47:10:52
Bill Sweeney
That’s true. Yes. I couldn’t figure out a way to kind of phrase it, not make her sound like she was older than she was. I’m not saying she’s an old fuddy duddy by any means. Not, I mean, but but she was a person who was seasoned and knew what the fuck she was talking about from a creative angle.
00:47:10:52 – 00:47:28:21
Bill Sweeney
And you could tell she had like years under her belt. This wasn’t the first time she thought about it. Maybe it was the first time on a podcast, but like, you know. Yeah, those people are great, too, because, like, you know, you never know what you’re going to find. Diamonds in the rough, all that, yada, yada, yada.
00:47:28:26 – 00:47:50:11
Bill Sweeney
But yeah, absolutely. Like, I would never want you to, like, if you didn’t find some major success, right? Where it’s like, oh my God. Suddenly he’s getting like C’s and B’s kind of fucking levels. I would still want you to suddenly find like, these randos, you know what I mean? Yeah. And pull people that I would never expect to hear from anyway, who was just like, oh, why are we talking to this?
00:47:50:16 – 00:48:03:18
Bill Sweeney
Well, okay. Like, all right. Some guy who’s, you know, who’s got nothing as far as a bubble on the radar for anything, not even a checkmark on Twitter. Probably. You know.
00:48:03:23 – 00:48:04:17
Agent Palmer
That it’s not.
00:48:04:17 – 00:48:06:10
Bill Sweeney
That that means anything anymore, but whatever.
00:48:06:17 – 00:48:19:09
Agent Palmer
It’s it’s kind of weird because, like, I, I, I kind of, I still get nervous and that’s, Oh, I think that’s always a good thing.
00:48:19:14 – 00:48:39:57
Bill Sweeney
Well, let me ask you this, right. Yeah. Since you only have limited interaction with some of these people. Yeah. Okay. And, this this is this should be a revealing question. Since you only have limited interaction with these people, and, you know, you have no way of knowing how polished, quote unquote, some of these people may be.
00:48:40:04 – 00:49:02:08
Bill Sweeney
Yeah. Like, you know, do you ever get nervous, so concerned that maybe you’ll get some whack job one day he’ll just be like, oh my God, this person turned out to be like a total like, you know, sure. Like context and like it’s one thing. But to to have this person speak and kind of like ramble on and like some kind of like because I think you’ve gotten lucky in that regard.
00:49:02:13 – 00:49:03:57
Agent Palmer
I mean, I, I do I never.
00:49:03:57 – 00:49:15:40
Bill Sweeney
Thought about it, but like, now that I’m realizing the context of how you’ve kind of assembled some of your guests in the past that like, I mean, I guess you could just one day run into some, like, half a whack job, right?
00:49:15:47 – 00:49:37:42
Agent Palmer
I mean, I do a little bit of research like I do kind of my, my best cyberstalking that I possibly can. I mean, because because you’re right, some of these people, some of these people don’t have websites. So sometimes, a Twitter profile of Facebook and Instagram or a LinkedIn profile is all I have to go on.
00:49:37:47 – 00:50:03:27
Agent Palmer
Yeah. And you’re right, I think I have gotten lucky. I will say that I think the for and this is not really anything other than me putting them on the spot by having them on a microphone and recording it. But the episodes that turn into interviews are the ones where I think people are the most uncomfortable and unpolished because they’re not comfortable to just.
00:50:03:32 – 00:50:29:26
Agent Palmer
Yeah, and what about you? Right. Because that’s the thing where if you’re remotely if you have any media experience, you have that ability to turn that around. And I look at it the same way, like I always bring up my first podcast ever was The Stranger Conversations with Grant Markham. Right? I only ever and answered every question he asked.
00:50:29:31 – 00:50:52:45
Agent Palmer
I net like I if I was on his show now as my first time on his show, I would be like, yeah, this is my greatest fear. And what about you? That’s it’s just something I’ve kind of learned having done this. And it’s not I guess part of it’s maybe media savvy, but part of it’s kind of experience, but like and knowing the medium.
00:50:52:50 – 00:51:09:13
Agent Palmer
But like those first times, those first appearances, I’m literally just here to answer any question. And I’m not going to jump in. Right. Like I’m not going to yeah, I like I, I’m and I’m.
00:51:09:13 – 00:51:09:55
Bill Sweeney
Also.
00:51:10:00 – 00:51:16:24
Agent Palmer
I’m not I’m also not going to hit the ball back either. Like yeah I will catch the ball. That’s it.
00:51:16:29 – 00:51:38:48
Bill Sweeney
Early podcasting Palmer was a different animal. And I think maybe some of us kind of, like when I would imagine if there was anybody kind of like resistance to the idea of you starting a podcast might have been locked on to that. But again, all those same people would have been the ones that we were all telling you to start your own show anyway for, for a long time, right?
00:51:38:48 – 00:51:56:43
Bill Sweeney
I mean, even if it was just a running joke kind of thing. Yeah, we were at the very least, we kind of meant it because it was just like we all knew. It’s like you only need a quarter of a brain to fucking do this. So you obviously have more than that, as do we. And if we can do it, you can do it, you know what I mean?
00:51:56:43 – 00:52:20:33
Bill Sweeney
Just get over whatever uncomfortable thing you got going on or find your muse, which was what it really came down to. I think you need to just kind of like, settle into what you want to, you know, a thing to be. You know what I mean? Yeah, I definitely think so, too. I think it was a little bit of like, yeah, I mean, to the idea, I think when I’m ready, I’ll be ready, which is fine thing, you know what I mean?
00:52:20:33 – 00:52:34:22
Bill Sweeney
It’s a little bit of like I think in the back of your head you do. You could do it for sure. And it was a little bit of like, but when I, when I feel like I’m comfortable is when I should start, right? I think like.
00:52:34:22 – 00:52:43:50
Agent Palmer
I think it was also when I figured out what it wanted it to be. I mean, you were a part of some of those early conversations like, oh, this show could have been wildly different, that it is.
00:52:43:56 – 00:53:11:41
Bill Sweeney
So many conversations of you just shooting down ideas or like, no, no, no, no, too many bells and whistles, too much, too much hoopla, too much. And turns out this is like the most stripped down fucking thing, like compared to some of those ideas that weren’t even that crazy. But just like they had too much of a set up and too much of a structure or like this kind of like segments or something.
00:53:11:41 – 00:53:16:29
Bill Sweeney
And for you, it was just turned into like, I just want to talk to people, man. I just want to conversation.
00:53:16:29 – 00:53:31:28
Agent Palmer
So, so I want to I want to turn this around on you. Fuck. You were one of the people that were encouraging me to do this. Do you still think it was a good idea?
00:53:31:33 – 00:54:01:13
Bill Sweeney
I mean. I guess no, absolutely, absolutely. I think just for the sake of, like, to watch anybody do anything creative to a degree, you know, because you can argue how creative is this, right. But creative. And then, the passion project kind of thing, which is a thing I think everybody should have, like, it’s the outlet thing, right?
00:54:01:14 – 00:54:16:43
Bill Sweeney
It’s, it’s it’s the thing where, like, you know, as long as it doesn’t start to feel like, like work, work. I mean, that’s what that’s what I think matters most. Like, because.
00:54:16:48 – 00:54:43:53
Agent Palmer
But Bill, I already had that, you know what I mean? Like, that’s the funny part about this whole thing because I, I think for how do I, how do I, how do I for, for a normal person, meaning not me. Right. What you had said about, like, having a creative outlet is great, but when you and the rest were like, hey, Palmer, you should do this podcast, I, I had the blog.
00:54:43:57 – 00:55:03:36
Agent Palmer
I already had, a creative outlet in a way. And when even if you ignore the the like getting my ideas on your show, I still had a way to kind of be creative. I didn’t need this or did I? I don’t know, like, I guess that’s a.
00:55:03:41 – 00:55:12:24
Bill Sweeney
Well, that’s the thing. I think that now you could answer, like, did this end up filling any kind of creative hole that you maybe you didn’t know you had?
00:55:12:24 – 00:55:42:15
Agent Palmer
I think I think the only hole this filled creatively was I was able to do things on this show or specifically have people on this show that I couldn’t pitch to you or any of the other shows like I, I think I had been coming to you for at least a year with like, authors who, like, reached out to me after I reviewed a thing that were like, I’d love to be on the podcast or a podcast.
00:55:42:15 – 00:55:54:45
Agent Palmer
And I was like, and this is not against you. It’s like, Bill’s not going to read your thing. Like they’re going to have no context for who you are. And unless I start my own.
00:55:54:50 – 00:56:00:02
Bill Sweeney
Yeah. And I was just and I was just afraid of the trainwreck aspect of our show, kind of like.
00:56:00:07 – 00:56:02:02
Agent Palmer
I don’t. Yeah, I’m not.
00:56:02:02 – 00:56:06:07
Bill Sweeney
So it made me nervous about, like doing things with other people sometimes, you know.
00:56:06:12 – 00:56:22:02
Agent Palmer
But I think that’s the one place where it was like, that’s the one place because I did hear from people like independent authors where I’d like, they’re like, thanks for review of my book. And like, they’d follow my feed and they’d be like, if you can get me on the podcast.
00:56:22:07 – 00:56:22:34
Bill Sweeney
Okay.
00:56:22:34 – 00:56:25:18
Agent Palmer
Well, I, I can’t.
00:56:25:23 – 00:56:30:27
Bill Sweeney
Yeah, I wish I could, but these guys don’t really do that. Yeah. You know, and then,
00:56:30:32 – 00:56:39:09
Agent Palmer
It wasn’t until, I mean, and I, most of those authors have been on this show already because I started those relationships well before this.
00:56:39:13 – 00:56:39:50
Bill Sweeney
Sure.
00:56:39:55 – 00:56:45:13
Agent Palmer
And so it kind of worked out. That’s good. But I think that’s the that’s probably the only one otherwise.
00:56:45:27 – 00:57:28:49
Bill Sweeney
But that’s also like a retrospective, I think thing like after you do it right, because it’s like, oh, like, yeah. Like you didn’t know, when I talked about like, oh, you know, did this fill a hole that you didn’t know you had, you know, but it that’s only in retrospect do you realize that it’s probably just, having the conversation that it’s not like, about being creatively like you’re making a thing here, like, you know, this is, you know, like, if it’s like taking on a whole nother blog for you in a way, like, yeah, I mean, it’s I mean, it’s like it’s like saying, okay, I want to do another blog or
00:57:28:49 – 00:57:32:19
Bill Sweeney
I want to do this other time consuming thing.
00:57:32:23 – 00:57:36:00
Agent Palmer
But don’t get me started, Bill. I keep talking about video.
00:57:36:05 – 00:57:38:30
Bill Sweeney
What do you mean? Oh, I’ll bring a video to the equation.
00:57:38:30 – 00:57:53:50
Agent Palmer
No, not bringing like doing video. Like just doing video essays like oh I keep you did my brain is now looking at another medium in a different way where it’s like, I should just I should just stop thinking.
00:57:53:54 – 00:58:04:23
Bill Sweeney
Or start doing.
00:58:04:27 – 00:58:27:12
Agent Palmer
So with that, the next hundred are starting the same way that the first hundred I did with my friend Bill Sweeney, discussing the creative process behind the things he used to create on a regular basis, and the things I still create like clockwork. Does this mean it’ll always be that way? No. Things change. There is nothing more constant than change.
00:58:27:12 – 00:58:53:08
Agent Palmer
But I don’t plan to slow up anytime soon. And how do I feel about 101 episodes under my belt now, as I dodge the question from Bill at the beginning in regards to 100, I’m not sure I have anything to say other than thanks for listening. Whether you’ve been here for all 101 or this is your first, I think so long as the process is fun and I’m still inspired to put together an episode.
00:58:53:13 – 00:59:21:28
Agent Palmer
The time for reflection is short, as there is always another podcast and the next blog to work on and well, yes, Bill and I did uncover my predisposition to call myself a blogger or writer first. Some of that is tongue in cheek, because I am equally proud of what this podcast has grown into, both the blog and the podcast make up Agent Palmer, which is who I am, and I am happy to share myself with you in these episodes and those posts.
00:59:21:32 – 00:59:42:35
Agent Palmer
I know Bill doesn’t miss it, but he did enjoy the process when he was in it, and I enjoy the process right now as I have other episodes to work on in other posts to. Right? So as we begin the next hundred episodes, I hope that you have enjoyed however long you’ve been with me on this journey, and however long you stay with me from here on out.
00:59:42:40 – 01:00:08:11
Agent Palmer
Thank you. And remember, my email is always accessible to you. Reach out if you need something. I’m always probably all too happy to help. Thanks for listening to The Palmer Files episode 101. And now for the official business. The Palmer Files releases every two weeks on Tuesdays. If you’re still listening, I encourage you to join the discussion. You can find all related ways to contact myself and my guest, Bill Sweeney, in the show notes.
01:00:08:16 – 01:00:29:18
Agent Palmer
There you can find links to visit Wicked theory.com to see what Bill has been up to, which also includes his executive producer ship role at the DC TV report. The music for this episode was provided by Henno Heitur. Links to previous episodes mentioned and other things can also be found in the show. Notes. Email can be sent to this show at The Palmer Files at gmail.com.
01:00:29:19 – 01:00:44:21
Agent Palmer
And remember, you’re home for all things. Agent Palmer is Agent palmer.com.
01:00:44:26 – 01:01:14:57
Agent Palmer
You.
01:01:15:02 – 01:01:20:37
Agent Palmer
See?
01:01:20:42 – 01:01:24:04
Agent Palmer
All right, bill, do you have one final question for me?
01:01:24:09 – 01:01:39:42
Bill Sweeney
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I got a question. Before Mike, we briefly spoke, I, you know, because we were talking about what we’re going to talk about. Yeah. I was like, oh, I can talk about, I, you know, I mean, and you were like, well, I’m sure we both have the same opinion. Basically, you know, not a fan, generally speaking.
01:01:39:44 – 01:02:22:36
Bill Sweeney
Not a fan. Certainly not in the way that it’s going right now with, the creative outlets kind of, being, Being used in those creative outlets. Anyway, but, if there’s any one celebrity voice that you could use to, like any part of your show. Like what voice and then where in the show and, like, how would you use it if you were, like, kind of like using it to do something that you already do.
01:02:22:41 – 01:02:24:54
Agent Palmer
So maybe like the cold open.
01:02:24:59 – 01:02:34:04
Bill Sweeney
Right, cold open or the wrap up or both, you know, like instead of like your voice doing the intro and outro or the open tag, the very cold open tag.
01:02:34:11 – 01:02:46:00
Agent Palmer
I think it would just be that cold open like Previously on, and I feel like, any voice like, like alive or dead, I guess.
01:02:46:00 – 01:02:55:28
Bill Sweeney
Like, yeah, I mean, if it’s if it’s a voice that would be known. Of course. I mean, you can say Abraham Lincoln, but, you know, it’s not if you don’t really know what he sounded like. You know.
01:02:55:41 – 01:03:02:20
Agent Palmer
I, I feel like,
01:03:02:25 – 01:03:09:25
Agent Palmer
Man. So there’s a couple things. The first is, I want it to be different than mine.
01:03:09:30 – 01:03:10:31
Bill Sweeney
Sure, sure.
01:03:10:31 – 01:03:14:36
Agent Palmer
So immediately I’m going across the pond.
01:03:14:41 – 01:03:18:33
Bill Sweeney
Oh, okay. You mean listen, accent. Yeah. Yeah.
01:03:18:38 – 01:03:35:51
Agent Palmer
Sure, sure. Different. And so I, I, I watch a lot of British panel shows. And, and the top two voices, right, that I would want on to open my show are very different. Like, kind of comedians.
01:03:35:56 – 01:03:37:31
Bill Sweeney
Okay.
01:03:37:36 – 01:03:43:54
Agent Palmer
But I think I’d take either David Mitchell, who is just as cranky as I am.
01:03:43:59 – 01:03:44:32
Bill Sweeney
Okay.
01:03:44:32 – 01:03:46:11
Agent Palmer
So it would fit.
01:03:46:16 – 01:03:46:41
Bill Sweeney
Sure.
01:03:46:50 – 01:04:05:36
Agent Palmer
Or Richard Ayoade, who would be just as nerdy as I am. Oh, wow. So it would fit. I think those are the two that I would be like, here’s my little 45 second cold open. You record that for me, send it back will be good. Perfect.
01:04:05:41 – 01:04:06:01
Bill Sweeney
01:04:06:05 – 01:04:07:12
Agent Palmer
01:04:07:16 – 01:04:13:38
Bill Sweeney
And on that note I would, I would, I would suggest, what’s the name of the guy who host Taskmaster.
01:04:13:43 – 01:04:15:08
Agent Palmer
Oh Greg Davies.
01:04:15:13 – 01:04:24:40
Bill Sweeney
Greg Davies I would say. But he’s got to be just as snide and snippy and fast talking as he is when he’s like reading off those one liners and shit like, you don’t. I mean.
01:04:24:45 – 01:04:28:43
Agent Palmer
No, not happy Greg Davies, but like, stern.
01:04:28:48 – 01:04:45:38
Bill Sweeney
But stern, but like, you know, very dismissive. Like, you know, like my bit, you know, I mean, my whole kind of schtick, you know what I mean? Like, I tend to feel like when I watch that show because that’s like the only what I kind of watch, you know what I mean? Is that, like, I could do this show if they were to the States.
01:04:45:42 – 01:04:52:40
Bill Sweeney
Like, I sit there and I think that the back of my head. Oh, that crappy version they tried to make here that didn’t work. I could have done it. But,
01:04:52:44 – 01:04:56:12
Agent Palmer
Who would have been your right hand man, bill?
01:04:56:17 – 01:05:09:30
Bill Sweeney
Well, if I can’t have you and not might, because I think you look too much like the guy who hosts it. But you have much better teeth. And that’s not just. It’s not because I think.
01:05:09:30 – 01:05:12:01
Agent Palmer
I think you and I would be able to pull that off, actually.
01:05:12:01 – 01:05:19:33
Bill Sweeney
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely, absolutely. You might laugh too much, though, at my jokes.
01:05:19:37 – 01:05:35:47
Agent Palmer
I can probably straight play the straight man if I like the dude. Like the stoic straight man. I guess because. Because that’s what you’re looking for, right? You’re you’re looking to beat the hell out of me and then have me get one zip in every episode, because that’s basically the the that’s the bit. Right.
01:05:35:47 – 01:05:42:10
Bill Sweeney
Like that’s the bit. Yeah. Yeah. He’s got he gets his barbs and but he’s relatively unaffected.
01:05:42:15 – 01:05:45:06
Agent Palmer
Problem is somebody is gonna have to write those barbs for me.
01:05:45:11 – 01:06:12:19
Bill Sweeney
They’re, they’re writing that shit for those guys. So too. Don’t worry. You’re there when you find out that that other guy, he’s actually the creator. Yeah, he’s like the main guy. Actually, the whole time he’s getting crap all the time. Little something whole. I forget what his name is. Something. Hall. Right? Hall is his last name because he always goes little to the hall or whatever his name is, and he does his high pitched voice when he introduces him.
01:06:12:24 – 01:06:18:39
Bill Sweeney
But yeah, it doesn’t have to be that snarky or. Or if I got to pick somebody who’s dead. Orson Welles, like.
01:06:18:43 – 01:06:21:08
Agent Palmer
Like Unicron. Orson Welles.
01:06:21:13 – 01:06:24:50
Bill Sweeney
Last days. Honestly. Oh, God. Was working.
01:06:24:50 – 01:06:29:03
Agent Palmer
Previously on Agent Palmer for, like.
01:06:29:08 – 01:06:32:31
Bill Sweeney
Yeah, it’s like, is that, like, a voice changer? What’s going on?
01:06:32:38 – 01:06:36:08
Agent Palmer
Give him. Give him and give him some a lot of reverb. Like, just.
01:06:36:13 – 01:06:36:23
Bill Sweeney
Give.
01:06:36:23 – 01:06:38:52
Agent Palmer
Me Unicron. I want Unicron.
01:06:38:57 – 01:06:55:00
Bill Sweeney
Yeah, I want that slight kind of digitized thing I did to all the transformer voices on the cartoon. You know, it sounds like. Is this a tin can? Like, what are they doing? What’s this effect? You know, you know, and just sound like you’re gonna you’re about to eat the world, you know what I mean? That kind of thing, you know?
01:06:55:05 – 01:07:00:43
Bill Sweeney
But, yeah, I mean, that’s the way I’m going, you know, because you could go. Anyone’s going to say, oh, James Earl Jones, you.
01:07:00:43 – 01:07:09:03
Agent Palmer
Know something I want or yeah, I want. I want to at least go across the Atlantic. Yeah.
01:07:09:08 – 01:07:18:13
Bill Sweeney
And that makes sense for me knowing you because you watch fucking tons of panel shows. So. So. All right. That fits. Yeah.
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