Episode 39 features Lauren Beck, an artist, creator, teacher, and entrepreneur (Ren and Ink) who is defined as much by the decisions she has made as she is the things she creates.
We discuss what makes an artist, non-linear paths, being a creative, determining value, myths, and much much more.
During the episode we cover:
- Being an artist
- Calligraphy
- Design
- Glass etching/engraving
- Defining yourself
- Wearing many hats
- Imposter syndrome
- New Math
- Non-linear paths
- Work/Life and Work/Hobby Balance
- The value of time
- Getting in the groove
- Handwriting
- Weddings
- Consulting
- Entrepreneurship
- And much more…
Mentioned and Helpful Links from This Episode
Episode 18: Graphic Design and Illustration with Ryan Lynn
Music created and provided by Henno Heitur of Monkey Tongue Productions.
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Agent Palmer
Previously on Agent Palmer dot com. Black widow Red vengeance picks up from forever Red and then goes further. The Mandolin rocks a playlist, and I’ve been not so subtly encouraging Becca to start abridged. This is The Palmer Files episode 39 with Lauren Beck, an artist, creator, teacher, and entrepreneur who is defined as much by the decisions she has made as the things she creates.
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Agent Palmer
We discuss what makes an artist non-linear paths being a creative, determining value, myths, and much, much more. Are you ready? Let’s do the show.
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Agent Palmer
Hello and welcome to the Palmer Files. I’m your host, Jason Stershic, also known as Agent Palmer. And on this 39th episode is Lauren Beck, a lettering artist and illustrator who operates Wren and ink. Not all artists or creators are entrepreneurs, but Lauren’s story is one that not only resonates with me, her journey is one that many of us undertake following a passion.
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Agent Palmer
Following a dream. Looking to create something that will be fulfilling on a certain level. What you are about to hear is a conversation that Lauren and I have about just those things. We discussed the journey she has taken to arrive where she is. We discussed being creators, the myths of a linear path, making a hobby, a career or not, and so much more.
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Agent Palmer
Things are both light and deep. Some things may sit long with you, while others may be as momentary as just hearing them right now. But this is a conversation I’m excited to share with you. Before we get going, remember that if you want to discuss this episode as you listen or after, you can tweet me at Agent Palmer and the show at The Palmer Files.
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Agent Palmer
You can find Lauren on Instagram, at instagram.com/rent and Dot ink, or on Facebook at facebook.com. Slash ren, Dot and Dot Inc.. Or you can look up ren and ink. Plus, I encourage you to visit ren and Ink.com. That’s our ren and ink dot com to peruse her creations. Don’t forget, you can see all of my writings and rantings on Agent palmer.com.
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Agent Palmer
And of course, email can be sent to the show at the Palmer Files at gmail.com. So without further ado, let’s create something cool.
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Agent Palmer
Lauren. It’s calligraphy. It’s digital design. It’s like glass etching. It’s illustration. Are you just an artist? Like, do I get, like, if if I was going to say, like, just you’re an artist or is it like I’m an illustrator or like, how do you define yourself?
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Lauren Beck
Yeah. I mean, that’s a great question. Well, I think I wear a lot of hats and above anything, I’m always seeking clarity with what I want out of this. I feel like I probably would be an illustrator, but I illustrate words primarily. Sure. And florals too. Lots of flowers. Is art is too broad.
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Agent Palmer
Like is that.
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Lauren Beck
Yeah. Well, I mean, I had a lot of trouble calling myself an artist for a really long time, and I’ve heard that from some other people too.
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Agent Palmer
The, the, imposter syndrome.
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Lauren Beck
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Agent Palmer
Okay.
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Lauren Beck
Yeah, yeah. Because artist, I think we’ve been brought up most people anyway have been brought up to think an artist has to paint or have some sort of, prominence, right, or, or speak on this higher level and convey emotion through their brushstrokes and, you know, we we hold the artist.
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Agent Palmer
Did you, did you go to art school?
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Lauren Beck
Like, I went to, school for art education.
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Agent Palmer
Okay. Because I so for me, right, like, I, I went to Keystone College but not for art. Right. So I was around a lot of art students, and I think they would have a similar outlook to you. To me, like an artist is an artist, right? Like there’s an artist, which is what you’re talking about. But then there’s an artist who’s like, just somebody who, emotes through art, I guess, as just a general sense.
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Lauren Beck
Yeah.
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Agent Palmer
You’re talking about like, Rembrandt, right? Like.
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Lauren Beck
Yeah.
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Agent Palmer
And and in in that, in that light, I don’t think anybody holds up. Right. But you’re an artist in the same way that, like, our mutual friend Ryan Lin is an artist.
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Lauren Beck
I would yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think I change my title on who I’m talking to, actually. That’s fine. But I believe myself to be a creative, so I, I feel like I have this thing where I just want to make stuff, and I just want to try things that are artistic. But I have trouble calling myself an artist a lot of times.
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Lauren Beck
But I do usually use that term because people don’t understand what a hand letter is or, you know, an engraver, even, or a calligrapher, even though you think that’s a very, I mean, at least I do. I think that’s a very basic term. A lot of people don’t know what that is. So I will call myself an artist just to generalize everything.
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Agent Palmer
And I mean, I if, if we go back. Right, like, was this always in the cards, like which was being I’m not going to say an artist, but like was being in art always the thing.
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Lauren Beck
Yeah, yeah, it was for me it was I like to kind of tell this little story about how my mom always knew that I was going to be an artist when I was, I think I was like kindergarten or even even younger, probably preschool. And I was drawing a picture of a lemonade stand with like little kids in it, you know, selling lemonade.
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Lauren Beck
And, she said she knew it was something special. Or when I drew the lemonade glass with ice cubes and a straw and she’s like, I looked at that and I thought, yeah, this girl is like an artist. Like, that’s that’s her. So, that was kind of always in me. I always loved art. Every material I wanted to try.
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Lauren Beck
And, from a very young age, I thought I was going to be a teacher. So, that was my passion, was to teach art and to learn every medium under the sun so I could teach someone.
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Agent Palmer
And obviously you. You said you went to school for art education. So has you’ve been on the other side. You’ve you’ve done it. Has it been as fulfilling as you expected.
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Lauren Beck
So my path is a little rocky. Okay. I you know as a kid I had this very clear image of me being this like one of those teachers where everyone loves the person and comes back after college and visits high school or whatever it is. Right. And they’re like, oh, you were my favorite teacher. And oh, I when you said this thing, you really inspired me.
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Lauren Beck
And I just pictured myself being that teacher. And, when that didn’t happen, I graduated with this degree and I was like, ready to do it. I was like, yeah, I’m gonna knock this out of the park. And to kind of fall flat. It really kind of destroyed me. And I didn’t do art for a really long time, because of that.
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Lauren Beck
So my, my image of myself was kind of destroyed.
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Agent Palmer
So what do you do in that black period? Because, I mean, the art never left. I mean, you you got back into it, I guess, well enough, but, like, what’s the black period like?
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Lauren Beck
Wow. Well, a lot of confusion. A lot of leaning on, like, maybe my customer service skills or thinking that, like, well, this didn’t happen for me. Like, what I always envisioned for myself didn’t happen for me. So what can I do? Maybe not what I want to do, but what can I do? Right? And I think that’s probably a lot of people’s stories.
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Agent Palmer
I mean, I, I got out of college and was in retail for seven years, like I just didn’t know. Look, at a certain point, it wasn’t like my vision of myself had shattered. It was just I can’t see out of this whole like, you know, just in retail and at a certain point, like you’re just like, well, this is this, this is my life now, you know, like, like the holidays start before Halloween and, you know, then it’s return season.
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Agent Palmer
And like, you get into the retail mindset, which is a different calendar than a normal calendar. And you just go like, well, what what’s what’s it like? And then I got the first real job and I went, well, did like people. People don’t work. And this is great. Like, oh, a desk job like.
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Lauren Beck
Like Monday to Friday and you get a weekend.
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Agent Palmer
9 to 5. You don’t have to work at night or overnight or it’s just. Yeah. And I’m, you know, I had that job and then another job and then no job. And I still I like I envy you because while your path might not have been linear, right, you had that thing that you wanted to do and you got there.
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Agent Palmer
I’m I never had that vision. Right. Like, I yeah, I went to school and went to liberal arts. Let’s get an associate’s and then I. Well, I’m close enough to a communications degree. Communications bachelor’s like it was never like growing up. I wanted to be this thing. And if I did, it was all derailed by the time I hit high school anyway.
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Agent Palmer
So it was just like, what do I what what do I do?
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Lauren Beck
Yeah. Been there. Yeah.
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Agent Palmer
And and it’s it’s rough. But then we get out, like, I’ve obviously found my my passions. I don’t know if they’re careers necessarily, which I think is, And you own your own business now and we’ll get to that. But like, there’s a, there’s a difference, right, between having a hobby and something you enjoy and then having a job.
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Agent Palmer
And then there’s always like this very like grand divide between joining the two like it’s, you know, you make.
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Lauren Beck
Like I said that. Yeah.
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Agent Palmer
You engrave amazingly time to sell like there’s a, there’s such a divide between. Yes I do engrave. Great. But you want me to sell this like.
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Lauren Beck
There’s.
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Agent Palmer
Such a mental jump for that. Like it was like for you. Was it.
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Lauren Beck
Easy.
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Agent Palmer
To jump, like, could.
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Lauren Beck
You get that? Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. So many thoughts here. I mean so I was kind of going along in this like gray area, like you’re talking about how, you have a job, right? And you’re making money to live. Sure. But I think it came to a point, and, and this was always something that, like, I didn’t plan to do hand lettering or design or illustration for that matter.
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Lauren Beck
When I was younger, I definitely did not plan. And I’m getting here. This is sort of like the path that I took. And, something came out of me that, like, I really can’t explain, but, and I have to laugh because if you would have told me back when I was a kid, this is what you would be doing, I’d be like, what?
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Lauren Beck
Is that even a thing like? I don’t think that’s a thing. Well, the.
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Agent Palmer
That’s the I think those are the most exciting journeys, right? Because like, I mean, you I don’t think there’s a part of a younger me that like just looking at my hobbies, like one day you’re going to write articles for the internet and, and talk and put it out there in audio form like I would. Yeah, I’m going to do what?
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Lauren Beck
Yeah, like that thing in front of an audience.
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Agent Palmer
But for fun, like not podcast.
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Lauren Beck
What’s that?
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Agent Palmer
Not for money. For fun. Like and and I think there’s a portion of my younger life where you if you had said you’re going to write for fun and I would have been like, no, no, only if somebody makes me, I don’t want.
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Lauren Beck
Yeah, I know. Well my, my one daughter, she’s eight and the other day she looked at me and she goes, mom, you know what I’m going to do when I’m older? And I said, what, hun? You know, thinking, you know, oh, teacher or something, she goes, I’m going to do spin art for a job. And like my gut reaction was like, honey, that’s not a job.
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Lauren Beck
But I kind of paused and was like, hey, maybe spin art, you know, you know, it’s been art is right. You know, there’s like tables, you drip stuff. But yeah, right. Was like, well, maybe it could be a job. Who knows? Like if if you told me, I’d be, like, drawing letters and, you know, making designs on some, like, glass computer thing, I’d be like, no way.
00:14:00:53 – 00:14:03:29
Lauren Beck
So who knows? It’s. But,
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Agent Palmer
It’s so, it’s I, I feel like the more we look around, especially now in a more, I don’t know, personal conscious, like, you hear the whole, like, work life balance thing. And people spend a lot more time on what I want to do as opposed to what I have to do. And you and I are of that generation, like that shoulder generation where we grew up being like, well, you’re going to go to college and you’re going to get a job like that.
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Agent Palmer
And, and the, the generation like directly behind us is like, well, I’m going to do what I want. I’m going to find myself and like, we’re in between going like, well, I want to I want to do what they’re doing. Why was I told and ingrained to like, no, you’re going to go to college and get a job.
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Lauren Beck
Yeah, yeah. No, you’re absolutely right. What are you, a 83? Were you born? Yeah. Yeah. Me too. Yeah. Cool. I agree, in fact, like, I, I kind of, I know where my I mean, my parents definitely said that to me. They said find a school district to be a teacher first of all, which I was already, like, sold on the whole teacher thing.
00:15:16:55 – 00:15:37:22
Lauren Beck
I love kids, I love teaching, like, cool. But they said, find a district and you can be there for the rest of your life and retire and be happy. And I don’t doubt that that can happen for a lot of people. But I think that, we’re fed this. I don’t want to call it a lie. It’s not a lie.
00:15:37:24 – 00:15:50:38
Lauren Beck
But we’re we’re fed this dream where we choose one thing and we’re that thing, and it fulfills us the rest of our lives. And I don’t know anyone who has done that and felt fulfilled.
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Agent Palmer
Well, I.
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Lauren Beck
In fact, people, people that I am finding, that people hit around their 30s and they start to almost hate their day job or hate the career path that they took and look for new challenges. And honestly, I think that’s a very humanistic quality is to like, look for those challenges. And whether it be creative or, you know, maybe it’s even a challenge in your own career path.
00:16:13:43 – 00:16:34:08
Lauren Beck
But I, I personally feel like the newness and the learning is like such a deep seeded, like passion for me. And I see a lot of, like, you know, my friends and, family members going through this that they’re looking for that passion that, like, kind of itches their, their creative itch. And then they also are making money with it.
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Lauren Beck
And as long as you can find that balance, you know, it’s a great thing.
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Agent Palmer
I’ve been I’ve been one of those, because we’re elder millennials technically, and I.
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Lauren Beck
I guess.
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Agent Palmer
I like to say that I’m not, but like, I mean, we we owe a lot to that generation, though, because they’re the ones that were like, well, I’m going to do what I want to do, not what’s expected of me. And I, I think that it’s not you. You were close. I think it was an expectation. I don’t know, it wasn’t necessarily a lie.
00:17:00:25 – 00:17:13:56
Agent Palmer
It wasn’t a and it wasn’t devious. It was just like, you’re going to go to school, you’re going to get a job. And that was the expectation because that’s the way it always was. And you turn around and look at the people behind us and they’re like, well, I don’t have to go to school.
00:17:14:01 – 00:17:17:16
Lauren Beck
So what? Yeah, we what, like, yeah, I could.
00:17:17:21 – 00:17:20:26
Agent Palmer
I could have that tuition and invested in myself.
00:17:20:26 – 00:17:27:34
Lauren Beck
Like right there. How do you feel about the school thing though not to interrupt your thoughts. So I, so I.
00:17:27:39 – 00:18:02:27
Agent Palmer
I have, I have an associate’s degree and I have a bachelor’s degree. And if you were to take them away from me, nothing in my life would really change the I mean, I have a very, very, very good friend that I met in college. He’s the only thing I lose if you take college away from me. Like my first job, my first non-retail job I got because I learned to code and I taught that myself after college because I was a communications major, and the writing I did in college was not necessarily anything more than what I was already doing.
00:18:02:27 – 00:18:27:09
Agent Palmer
Like if you had said, don’t go to school, just learn to just write more and practice like so I didn’t I didn’t get anything right, like I have the degrees, but if you take that away, I didn’t. I don’t think much leaves me. So I, I look at it like, well, and you know what? I’ve been unemployed for a year, spending all this time trying to figure out like what’s next.
00:18:27:09 – 00:18:47:03
Agent Palmer
And occasionally I talk to people that are like, well, why don’t you go back to school? And it’s I, I, I’m and maybe it’s denial, right. Or a put down. And I mean nothing against my alma mater in those people, but like, if I don’t feel like I got to where I am because of school.
00:18:47:08 – 00:18:47:55
Lauren Beck
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Agent Palmer
What’s what’s another round going to do, right? I’m right. I turned myself into a voracious reader, so I’m learning other things I can. I can pick up a book and read about whatever topic I want at any time.
00:19:02:36 – 00:19:03:09
Lauren Beck
Yeah.
00:19:03:14 – 00:19:15:24
Agent Palmer
I’m challenging myself by reading new things, which is kind of like when people say, like, we’ll take a class outside of your comfort zone. Well, read a book outside of your comfort. Like I can do all of that for the cost of a book and not tuition.
00:19:15:24 – 00:19:16:16
Lauren Beck
Sure, sure.
00:19:16:16 – 00:19:27:18
Agent Palmer
So maybe I’ve become too cynical. Like maybe I’ve gone the other way and it’s going to take a little time for me to, come back to it. But I just.
00:19:27:23 – 00:19:27:48
Lauren Beck
Write.
00:19:27:48 – 00:19:38:41
Agent Palmer
I don’t know, I, I, I, I look back on it a little questioning like if, if I had, I don’t know if I would change anything. I mean that’s the whole like, you know.
00:19:38:41 – 00:19:57:07
Lauren Beck
Right. But that’s a big question isn’t it. Well what would you change. Do you regret anything? And yeah, I think it’s a great question to ask yourself, though, is like, I think a lot of people are stuck in the, well, what’s my next move like? Well, maybe I have this interest in doing this and what’s my next move.
00:19:57:07 – 00:20:25:09
Lauren Beck
Right. So if you’re talking about someone who perhaps is so like me, I was feeling like I was working, and I was doing fine, you know, things I could do. Sure. In fact, I was doing them pretty well. And, I felt like I would go to work and I would work really hard, but something really came over me that was like, okay, where do I see myself?
00:20:25:14 – 00:20:52:12
Lauren Beck
You know, as an older human, you know, where do I see myself? Like, what do I want to accomplish? And once I turned, like inward a little bit and kind of started asking myself those questions, then I had new answers, right? So, I remember being at work one day and I worked for like a really nice person and a really great team, and, and I was happy I was doing my work, and but one day I looked at myself and I was working super hard that day.
00:20:52:12 – 00:21:16:35
Lauren Beck
I think I have like sent a gazillion emails and like, was, you know, planning some kind of event or something. And I was working really hard and I stopped for a second. I was like, if I worked half as hard for myself, as hard as I’m doing right now, if I did half this work for myself, like I’m pretty darn sure that I would succeed.
00:21:16:39 – 00:21:45:38
Lauren Beck
And I think it took that moment to be like, And it was like giving myself that permission to like, thinking that way. So like, if anyone needs to hear this, like, give yourself permission to, like, think in that way or to maybe wonder, like, what if I did do this thing that I’m passionate about? What if I did kind of take the the road less traveled and maybe made like, my family and friends kind of wonder, like, what’s up with her?
00:21:45:38 – 00:21:56:42
Lauren Beck
You know, what’s going with him? Like, you know, like give yourself permission to try it and maybe fail because I was like, not not in my vocabulary. It’s like failure. Well.
00:21:56:47 – 00:22:24:53
Agent Palmer
I so I, I will say, because I get the question all the time, like, why don’t you just do Palmer like full time? And I, I mean, I definitely put a lot of work into it, but this is, I, I think there’s a part of me that understands it all. Some of it changes, like, I, I agree with everything you’re saying, but I think you have to find that right thing to work towards.
00:22:24:57 – 00:22:43:23
Agent Palmer
For me, it’s not Palmer like this. This is, setting me up for retirement. Like I can come back and do this. I can do this in my spare time. And then when I get old and retire, I can continue doing this as long as there’s an audience right? I don’t know if this is my full time, full time gig, right?
00:22:43:23 – 00:23:04:36
Agent Palmer
I can put everything into it, but I don’t know if it’s that. So I think if I could find that thing. Absolutely. You’re right. Because I look around, I see the same thing you do. People that are working 9 to 5, but, you know, go in a little early, skip lunch and stay late like you’re clearly working more than you’re being paid.
00:23:04:36 – 00:23:29:04
Agent Palmer
Like, especially if you’re salary and that extra time before work, that extra time you work during lunch or over lunch, and the extra time you put in at night or taking some work home with you or on the week, like you don’t get paid for that. So if you put that into yourself. Yeah, like absolutely. And I’m, I’m interviewing with people that are asking me about work life balance.
00:23:29:04 – 00:23:42:26
Agent Palmer
And I just say, like, I think it’s for me it’s work hobby balance because I, I want to continue to do this stuff. It’s fun, but I know this doesn’t pay the bills.
00:23:42:31 – 00:24:02:42
Lauren Beck
Well, I think you’re realizing and I, I have this too, where the older you get, the more you realize how valuable your time is. Yeah. And if you’re not doing something that you at least enjoy, and not everything has to turn into a career. I think something I struggle with, people need.
00:24:02:47 – 00:24:12:07
Agent Palmer
I mean, for everything else that people have needed to hear tonight. Like, that’s something people need to hear. Like, yes, I can do this. This doesn’t need to be my career. And it.
00:24:12:08 – 00:24:12:52
Lauren Beck
Doesn’t.
00:24:12:56 – 00:24:36:03
Agent Palmer
It this, that, that statement took me a while because I had people. What happens is we turn to the elders, whoever our elders are, like our big brother or that friend that just happens to always be smarter than you or just right. Right. Like, or your grandparents or your uncle or your whatever. And then they turn around and go, well, why don’t you do this as a career?
00:24:36:08 – 00:24:55:30
Agent Palmer
And like, there’s a lot of, like, internal, I want to say fortitude to be like, no, this is something I enjoy, but this isn’t my career. Yeah, and that’s not something you just come to like. Somebody doesn’t go, like, why don’t you do that as career? And you just be like, well, that’s like, you have to.
00:24:55:35 – 00:24:59:13
Agent Palmer
That’s an internalization that takes.
00:24:59:18 – 00:24:59:55
Lauren Beck
00:25:00:00 – 00:25:10:14
Agent Palmer
Yeah. I don’t know how long it’s taken me like I don’t know when that started. I know the conversation has been around. If it feels like that conversation has been around me forever, like I should have you like.
00:25:10:14 – 00:25:15:49
Lauren Beck
Like you should do this. Yeah. Like, you know what you should do? You should do this. Like, well.
00:25:15:49 – 00:25:16:12
Agent Palmer
I.
00:25:16:12 – 00:25:19:33
Lauren Beck
Have the shitty should. Yeah, well, I’ve been.
00:25:19:37 – 00:25:25:47
Agent Palmer
The blog is, I don’t know, ten, 11 years, a ten, nine, ten years old or something like that. So.
00:25:25:51 – 00:25:26:32
Lauren Beck
Yeah.
00:25:26:36 – 00:25:32:10
Agent Palmer
Probably a year into doing that, I started hearing, well, you’re not making any money off of it.
00:25:32:14 – 00:25:32:53
Lauren Beck
00:25:32:58 – 00:25:47:39
Agent Palmer
You know, and that’s not saying make it a career, but like, this is something I’m putting my passion into. And all I’m hearing from people around me is, are you making any money with that? Yeah. Yeah. Like, oh, it turned five. Are you making money? And I started a podcast. Are you making any money on the other thing?
00:25:47:39 – 00:25:49:56
Agent Palmer
Yeah. Like just for.
00:25:50:01 – 00:25:51:04
Lauren Beck
This constant.
00:25:51:04 – 00:25:54:47
Agent Palmer
Like. And it’s like, I, I don’t, I don’t need to.
00:25:54:52 – 00:26:16:45
Lauren Beck
Yeah. I mean when and there’s a lot of doubt out there too. And people can’t really define something or they don’t have an example in their head. Right. So, I remember when I started deciding, like, I’m gonna leave my job and I’m going to start doing lettering and calligraphy at the time, like more, bridal calligraphy and signage and things like that.
00:26:16:50 – 00:26:57:00
Lauren Beck
And I remember, you know, trying to explain it to people like what I do. And when people don’t really understand your world, they they get very confused. And, I remember one person saying to me, oh, wait, like, you can make money doing that. And me being like, yeah, I mean, that’s the plan. So, yeah, it’s interesting, this whole idea of like taking your passion and turning it into a career as, like an entrepreneur, but then also like allowing yourself to have something that’s creative or your passion that it doesn’t have to make you ascent.
00:26:57:05 – 00:27:00:14
Lauren Beck
And I think finding those balances is really important.
00:27:00:14 – 00:27:22:16
Agent Palmer
Well, I’ll I’ll tell you, my big fear is I’m a I’m a workaholic by nature, so and I don’t I don’t tell people that like in interviews I’m not like, yeah, I’m a workaholic. Like you’ll just find that out, right? But I’m also trying to get better at it. And I think that having this is, this is, a lateral move, right?
00:27:22:16 – 00:27:40:58
Agent Palmer
I, I was a workaholic for my 9 to 5 when I had one. And the only way I got away from not working 80 hours at that job was having a hobby like this that I could pour into. Right. So it’s kind of a lateral move, although now I’m doing something for me as opposed to something for somebody else.
00:27:41:03 – 00:27:45:10
Agent Palmer
If this became my full time gig, like, I would never stop.
00:27:45:15 – 00:28:00:37
Lauren Beck
Yeah, yeah, I, I don’t stop and I don’t, I really don’t. And even when I’m like about to go to sleep, my brain is still going with something that I’m working through in my mind.
00:28:00:42 – 00:28:30:05
Agent Palmer
I didn’t it’s in hindsight, right? Like, I mean, I have these conversations and I do the edit and then I listen to it and then I put it out and I remember listening back to the Ryan Lynn episode and him talking about like, going down and working and then getting the mail and spending some time with the kids and having dinner and then going back to work and like, it didn’t hit me in the moment, but it hit me like as I was editing it, going like, well, that’s what I do, like that.
00:28:30:10 – 00:28:53:45
Agent Palmer
That’s that’s what I do. Like I and and it’s, I understand like it’s on him just like it’s on you or it’s, you know, this is on me and you know, there’s a fear there that unless you have like a super strong partner who’s going to be like, you know, take some time, like it’s on you and like, my partner’s respectful.
00:28:53:45 – 00:29:05:50
Agent Palmer
She’s like, no, do your thing. And. Yeah. And so I don’t know if if they would ever and she and like she’s my one of my biggest fans too. So I don’t think she’s going to be like no it’s time to stop now.
00:29:05:51 – 00:29:06:43
Lauren Beck
Right. Right.
00:29:06:44 – 00:29:17:32
Agent Palmer
And so that’s on me and I, I can’t do that when I was working for someone else, if I’m working for myself and enjoying it, like I’m just going to keep going.
00:29:17:37 – 00:29:28:51
Lauren Beck
Yeah, yeah. Especially when you’re in the groove too, right? If you’re like working something out and you’re like, I just got it. I just got to work this out. I just got to do it and keep going.
00:29:28:51 – 00:29:51:17
Agent Palmer
That’s it. Yeah, I see and I feel like that’s an artistic it’s a creative thing because I feel like there’s a lot of people that are like, I have no idea what you’re talking about. Like, I know accountants who don’t understand the groove, but like I do, like if I’m writing and I get into it like, don’t, don’t like, don’t get in my way until I’m done.
00:29:51:22 – 00:29:52:47
Lauren Beck
Like, yeah.
00:29:52:52 – 00:29:53:47
Agent Palmer
And I well.
00:29:53:47 – 00:30:16:43
Lauren Beck
I mean, you write a lot and like, I had this conversation with a lot of creative friends of mine about like, sometimes we just do nothing like it sounds stupid. Okay, let me back it up, So it’s not that we’re not doing nothing, but sometimes we don’t make much progress. That any normal person would look at us and be like, hey, come on.
00:30:16:45 – 00:30:39:51
Lauren Beck
Like, if I had a boss swing in and be like, yo, get back to work. Like, but I’m doing the work. It’s just like I’m working something out of my brain, or I’m sketching junk on a piece of paper, or I’m just, like, popping around the internet to find, like, the correct image that, like, I can really, like, sink into my brain in order, like, put me in the right mood for this piece.
00:30:39:51 – 00:31:01:40
Lauren Beck
Like, all of those things take so much time, but someone who is not creative can look in. And I think everyone’s creative in their own right. For sure. But someone who doesn’t understand that, like flow or that mindset where you literally can’t stop, they would be like, they’re doing nothing. Like, what the hell are they doing?
00:31:01:40 – 00:31:02:49
Lauren Beck
They’re just sitting there.
00:31:02:54 – 00:31:05:56
Agent Palmer
I mean, I, I’m guiltiest of it in the shower.
00:31:06:01 – 00:31:07:57
Lauren Beck
Where, like, and and.
00:31:08:07 – 00:31:35:36
Agent Palmer
I don’t know what it is about the shower where my mind just wanders. But there are times when I’m in there for like 20 minutes. And it’s not because, like, I’m dirty, it’s because, like, I got five minutes in, like I started working on something in my brain and like, it was a thread. And I spend the next 15 minutes just standing in the shower trying to mentally figure out that thread and like everything in my being, physical and mental is just like, hold on.
00:31:35:36 – 00:31:54:18
Agent Palmer
I, I can, I can, I can get this like this, this outline that I can write down later or like this, this start to this next blog post or like the inspiration to start an intro like or an out like just the this piece and you’re just chasing it. Now to the outside world, I’m just in the shower for 20 minutes, right?
00:31:54:18 – 00:32:00:07
Agent Palmer
Like and and even at that, if you had seen me in the shower, I’m just standing like. It’s just like. Is he.
00:32:00:21 – 00:32:04:42
Lauren Beck
Did he fall asleep in the shower? Like, like.
00:32:04:47 – 00:32:05:30
Agent Palmer
But like.
00:32:05:35 – 00:32:06:45
Lauren Beck
It.
00:32:06:49 – 00:32:23:58
Agent Palmer
It’s I but I understand that like, it’s just, it’s and it’s the same thing. It’s like staring at a blank, screen or a canvas for 30 minutes. Yeah, well, I don’t know where to start. It’s not. And it’s a process. And when I start, yeah, I will not have started. Like, I could not have just sat down and started.
00:32:24:12 – 00:32:28:06
Agent Palmer
I sat down 20 minutes ago. I will I’m close. I’ll.
00:32:28:21 – 00:32:36:06
Lauren Beck
I’ll get in there. I’ll figure it out. Give me a sack. It’s. Yeah. You know why you think of these things in the shower, though, right? Do you know why?
00:32:36:08 – 00:32:37:39
Agent Palmer
No, but because I’m standing.
00:32:37:40 – 00:32:57:08
Lauren Beck
Cause you’re, like, basically in, like, this chamber where you’re just like, you have nothing around you, no distractions. You’re on autopilot. So your brain goes to this place where, just like the magic happens and you’re like, whoa, where did that where that thought come from? Right? See?
00:32:57:10 – 00:33:10:38
Agent Palmer
And that reminds me of. So, the the premise, one of the premises, not the premise, but one of the things I learned about, like from the there’s a book that Clive Barker wrote called The Great and Secret Show and.
00:33:10:38 – 00:33:15:22
Lauren Beck
It’s, oh my God, wait, Clive Barker. Yeah. Did he write The Thief of All Ways?
00:33:15:22 – 00:33:16:16
Agent Palmer
Yes he did.
00:33:16:18 – 00:33:22:18
Lauren Beck
Oh my God, I loved that book as a kid. That’s the only way I know his name.
00:33:22:23 – 00:33:45:24
Agent Palmer
That’s that. First of all, that’s a fantastic book. But the the great secret show is, is quote unquote, the book of the Art part one. And, and in the very beginning, they talk about he, he talks about one of the characters. And look, I love this book so much, I actually haven’t reread it because I’m afraid to tarnish the vision I have of, of the book.
00:33:45:24 – 00:34:11:22
Agent Palmer
But yeah, he talks about being in the post office and just working in the post office because it was mindless. And he could do he could think about bigger picture things. Right. And I think that the that’s I’m surrounded by stimuli like, yeah, the phone that I always have with me. Right. Like I’m talking to you, but I have two screens flanking me like three technically.
00:34:11:34 – 00:34:21:55
Agent Palmer
Right. And, and so, I got a bookshelf in front of me with lots of like, like, it’s just it’s constant. So that’s probably the blackest, most mundane.
00:34:21:55 – 00:34:43:39
Lauren Beck
It’s a chamber. Yeah. It’s like literally you’re locked in this, like, you have to be there because you must be with your body, right? Because we’re humans. Like I tell my children, they don’t want to hear it, but like, you’re a human, you need to bathe your body. But, yeah, it’s it’s your think tank. It’s like you’re stuck there and your brain’s like.
00:34:43:39 – 00:34:47:16
Lauren Beck
Well, may as well think since I’m here. Right.
00:34:47:21 – 00:35:12:10
Agent Palmer
Well, I accept I think that for most of us, we’re always thinking, especially creatives like, I. Yeah, I, I know that I’ve gotten in trouble at, like, social events for being antisocial, but, like, no, I, I, I went down a thread in my own head. I just sitting here just ignoring everyone else, like, not on purpose, but just.
00:35:12:15 – 00:35:15:26
Lauren Beck
It happened like I think in thinking.
00:35:15:35 – 00:35:33:05
Agent Palmer
Is underrated. I want I will say that like I feel like there’s, a stigma where like, you know what I, I, I, I make it, like, a similarity to showing your work in math, right? Like, I can’t show my thinking work.
00:35:33:10 – 00:35:37:04
Lauren Beck
Right? Like, he’s like my sixth grader.
00:35:37:09 – 00:35:45:43
Agent Palmer
What’s what’s what’s four times three? It’s 12. Show your work. It’s 12. Like, I it’s it’s magic. I don’t know how I got there. It’s 12 like.
00:35:45:44 – 00:35:50:01
Lauren Beck
I. Yeah. And you, you would not do well with math nowadays. It’s way different.
00:35:50:06 – 00:35:51:13
Agent Palmer
I have to show my work now.
00:35:51:25 – 00:36:04:23
Lauren Beck
Oh you have to show it like six different ways that you got there. Now. And if you don’t understand five of the ways, but you understand one of the ways, then you didn’t get all the credit. It’s ridiculous. Yeah. What is it called?
00:36:04:27 – 00:36:05:42
Agent Palmer
What new math.
00:36:05:47 – 00:36:08:28
Lauren Beck
Yeah. There’s like a, there’s a name for it and I can’t think of it.
00:36:08:28 – 00:36:10:36
Agent Palmer
Is it Common Core that. Yeah.
00:36:10:36 – 00:36:11:26
Lauren Beck
That’s it. Yeah.
00:36:11:30 – 00:36:16:36
Agent Palmer
No I yeah. No I, I’ve heard, I’ve heard other friends with kids talk about it.
00:36:16:41 – 00:36:17:44
Lauren Beck
Oh it’s like you.
00:36:17:44 – 00:36:19:27
Agent Palmer
Wouldn’t know how to do math anymore.
00:36:19:28 – 00:36:20:44
Lauren Beck
Yeah it’s true.
00:36:20:49 – 00:36:25:43
Agent Palmer
I’m like math. It’s been is all math goes back to the Egyptians. It can’t have changed that much.
00:36:25:48 – 00:36:30:10
Lauren Beck
Yeah. So. Yeah.
00:36:30:19 – 00:36:35:33
Agent Palmer
You you. Let’s get back for a moment when you start the business.
00:36:35:38 – 00:36:35:59
Lauren Beck
Yeah.
00:36:36:01 – 00:36:48:52
Agent Palmer
What what’s the thought process like? Okay, I’m going to do calligraphy. And are you like because you quit your job for this. Right. So it’s like.
00:36:48:52 – 00:37:06:21
Lauren Beck
Yeah. But it was a, it was a couple years that I was, I was doing lettering. Okay. So I started simply by a friend. Okay. Well let me, let me back up a bit. So I, basically didn’t do art for like ten years.
00:37:06:26 – 00:37:09:18
Agent Palmer
This is during the black period, right? Like, you know.
00:37:09:22 – 00:37:34:51
Lauren Beck
This is the dark time. Yeah. But, I mean, there are great times I had some babies, you know, it’s like buying a house and doing all, like, the, you know, adult suburban white mom stuff, you know? But, you know, it’s good life, but, I, you know, it wasn’t I didn’t I basically convinced myself that I didn’t really have to be, happy with my career as long as I was, like, happy at home.
00:37:34:53 – 00:37:37:22
Lauren Beck
Right. Which, you know.
00:37:37:27 – 00:37:40:13
Agent Palmer
That that I know that that’s a very like.
00:37:40:13 – 00:37:42:13
Lauren Beck
I hear that into that, right?
00:37:42:13 – 00:37:54:38
Agent Palmer
We we we don’t have to get into it. I just know it’s a very common thing. Like, as long as I’m happy and one thing and most people, as long as I’m very happy at home, the work life can be, well, it right.
00:37:54:38 – 00:38:16:50
Lauren Beck
It’s your job that you can leave, right? Yeah. And like, I still think that that, you know, that’s okay for some people, but, I definitely always had this creative, just like this creative mode that I would get into, and I would allow myself to go into it every once in a while in my own space, you know, like making the most craziest Halloween costumes for my kids or something.
00:38:16:50 – 00:38:24:56
Agent Palmer
All right. So, so during those ten years, like, you have an outlet, but it’s not constant. And it’s just kind of like when it’s.
00:38:24:57 – 00:38:50:06
Lauren Beck
Doodling for my children, it’s, you know, crafting something for someone’s gift or like little things here and there where it’s still kind of comes out of me like at these weird moments. But I never thought I could ever be awesome. That one thing. Definitely not. So, you know, I had a friend actually send me like a Skillshare link and we were talking about learning online, right?
00:38:50:06 – 00:38:52:52
Lauren Beck
And Skillshare, I don’t know if you’re familiar with the platform. I mean.
00:38:52:52 – 00:39:02:26
Agent Palmer
I’ve I know about it because I almost went down that road and I was like, I don’t need to prove to somebody else I’m good at this. That was mine.
00:39:02:38 – 00:39:05:58
Lauren Beck
You were almost an instructor on Skillshare. Yeah.
00:39:06:03 – 00:39:10:25
Agent Palmer
I was just like, I don’t know, I’m like, I know I’m good at it.
00:39:10:25 – 00:39:34:26
Lauren Beck
That’s good know. Right? Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I’m yeah, I gotcha. Well, my friend sent me a Skillshare link to take a class on hand lettering, and, at the time, I didn’t know what the hell that was. You know, I was like, what? What is this? But, I watched the little preview, and, the artist, she’s from Philly.
00:39:34:31 – 00:39:54:34
Lauren Beck
Mary Mary Kate McDevitt, and she’s, she’s younger than I am. So, like, there’s that thing of, like, well, she’s a child, like. And, she’s not that much younger, but do you know what I mean? Like that feeling of, like, what? Gosh, should I learn from someone who’s younger than me at weird little time?
00:39:54:34 – 00:40:06:41
Agent Palmer
I’ll give you a I’ll, I’ll I’ll interject. I still think that there’s a part of me that has to like, I, I need to get over that. Like, I know there’s younger people than me that can teach me stuff.
00:40:06:46 – 00:40:07:18
Lauren Beck
There are.
00:40:07:20 – 00:40:14:17
Agent Palmer
If you if you seem younger than me, you could be older to me. If you seem younger than me, I’m a little skeptical.
00:40:14:28 – 00:40:14:51
Lauren Beck
But you.
00:40:14:51 – 00:40:15:47
Agent Palmer
Have anything to teach.
00:40:15:47 – 00:40:43:48
Lauren Beck
Me? Yeah, I had that going on for sure. But I saw her draw and I was like, oh, my God. She draws like me. Like I like, I don’t have to prove anything. Like, I just drew something the other day that, like, kind of looked like what she’s doing. So I took this class and she explained that she draws ladders, and I was like, letters, oh, why would I draw a letter?
00:40:43:48 – 00:41:06:24
Lauren Beck
And, but I tried it and I stinkin loved it. I started getting obsessed, and I think I kind of broke it down in my brain. I think it’s like the idea of these, like these letters and, I don’t know about you, but when I was a kid, I used to, like, draw stuff on my notebooks and make, like, bubble letters and block letters and, you know, all different, like, words and stock letters.
00:41:06:24 – 00:41:19:14
Agent Palmer
I don’t have. I mean, I, I’m jealous of anyone with any r like, I, I’m super jealous of anybody that can think of an image and put it on paper because I, I lack that translation.
00:41:19:21 – 00:41:26:51
Lauren Beck
Yeah. But here’s the thing though. Like if someone said to to draw out your name in like block letters, you’d be like, yeah, I could do that.
00:41:26:51 – 00:41:27:25
Agent Palmer
That I can.
00:41:27:25 – 00:41:42:15
Lauren Beck
Actually my letters look like and I can make them funky. Right. It’s a little less intimidating than me saying, hey, why don’t you go draw like, you know, a flower? Like draw a flower for me, that’s a little more intimidating.
00:41:42:28 – 00:41:42:51
Agent Palmer
I mean, you’re.
00:41:42:51 – 00:41:43:52
Lauren Beck
Going to get a flower in a.
00:41:43:52 – 00:41:45:40
Agent Palmer
Stick figure, like, come on. Like.
00:41:45:48 – 00:42:01:11
Lauren Beck
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, there was something about this, like, idea of, like. Well, I know what letters look like, and I’ve really great handwriting because, I mean, I did. No. Just kidding. You know, I really I always loved my handwriting for some reason. So.
00:42:01:22 – 00:42:03:14
Agent Palmer
So here’s my question.
00:42:03:19 – 00:42:05:35
Lauren Beck
Yeah.
00:42:05:39 – 00:42:07:03
Agent Palmer
Your handwriting.
00:42:07:07 – 00:42:07:51
Lauren Beck
All right. Yeah.
00:42:07:56 – 00:42:25:09
Agent Palmer
Is it, is it flowing. Is it, is it is it is it small. Because like I come from two parents, one that has like crisp, neat print and one that has cursive that is almost illegible unless you’ve been reading it for years.
00:42:25:14 – 00:42:26:52
Lauren Beck
Oh, yeah. That’s so funny.
00:42:26:52 – 00:42:31:26
Agent Palmer
And I’m and I. And my handwriting is just atrocious. It’s neither.
00:42:31:28 – 00:42:41:07
Lauren Beck
Yeah, yeah, I love that. Well, yeah. Handwriting. I wish I could meet one of those, like, handwriting analysts like, there’s there’s, like a name for them. No.
00:42:41:08 – 00:42:47:59
Agent Palmer
Well, I think it’s like, just for, like, handwriting.
00:42:48:04 – 00:42:48:45
Lauren Beck
Analyst.
00:42:49:00 – 00:42:49:23
Agent Palmer
Yeah.
00:42:49:23 – 00:42:54:07
Lauren Beck
Okay. I got the word mail. Yeah, yeah, there’s a person that does that, but.
00:42:54:07 – 00:42:54:42
Agent Palmer
Your handwriting.
00:42:54:45 – 00:43:02:32
Lauren Beck
They tell you like, oh, you have problems with your left needle, you know, because you’re. Why it makes this weird curly thing was like, that’s a thing, right?
00:43:02:45 – 00:43:09:42
Agent Palmer
I mean, it is, I just but but are so. But are you like a small like like because I know there’s those people.
00:43:09:42 – 00:43:52:26
Lauren Beck
That are really large and loopy and yeah, my, my handwriting is actually junk compared to my lettering because I’ve kind of, like, not cared about my handwriting so much nowadays that I’m older. I’m like, whatever, just write your grocery list. But like, there’s a there’s a difference. And a lot of people don’t know this. I teach this to my classes is like, there’s a difference between penmanship where you just write something and, you know, calligraphy or lettering and, the difference is this, like penmanship, you’re just writing all in one fell swoop, and, calligraphy or lettering is when you’re focusing on each one of the letters and how they create, basically artwork
00:43:52:37 – 00:44:19:59
Lauren Beck
together. Right? So, how they flow together, the negative in the positive space. So you can really, dissect letters, and not necessarily like typography, but like by drawing them and creating shapes and, you know, actually illustrating the letters, you can like really the it’s like an endless possibility to, to create like an A, but.
00:44:19:59 – 00:44:28:10
Agent Palmer
It’s also C to me. Right. Untrained the word guy.
00:44:28:15 – 00:44:29:27
Lauren Beck
All of this sounds like babble.
00:44:29:29 – 00:44:33:02
Agent Palmer
No, no, I just it that sounds like graphic design to me.
00:44:33:07 – 00:44:33:37
Lauren Beck
Oh yeah.
00:44:33:39 – 00:44:42:32
Agent Palmer
Like obviously not. Maybe maybe less symbol, more letters, but. And more characters I guess. But it’s just sounds like graphic design to me.
00:44:42:37 – 00:44:43:14
Lauren Beck
Yeah, yeah.
00:44:43:14 – 00:45:11:53
Agent Palmer
Or a or a, a portion of it. Right. Because I, I talked to graphic designers and I understand negative space and even like letting in, you know, the vertical and the, you know, I like I understand that and that’s but but and this is where I think you what you’re talking about is set apart like the detail on one letter, like, that’s, that’s I don’t a labor of love.
00:45:11:53 – 00:45:19:13
Agent Palmer
Like, I don’t know, that’s like a, like, such, it’s so time-consuming.
00:45:19:18 – 00:45:36:43
Lauren Beck
It is. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it’s it’s like laser focus you have to have. And it’s just interesting to me just to how you can completely change like a word. You can completely change how it looks and how it’s,
00:45:36:48 – 00:45:38:10
Agent Palmer
You can change the perceptually.
00:45:38:10 – 00:46:04:36
Lauren Beck
Digest the word. Yeah, yeah. How you, how it speaks to you and, not just reading the word but how it’s visually looking to you can put you in a different headspace. Like, you can either look energetic or can kind of, somber or like, maybe very pretty and, like, flourished and like fancy, right? Like all those things, like, are different.
00:46:04:36 – 00:46:25:34
Lauren Beck
Like maybe even visually you’re seeing that in front of your, in front of your eyes right now. Like how all of those things can look differently. And you can say that with art too, but just this idea of taking like a word or letters and changing them up so much in order to visually change a mood or change what that letter says or what that word says.
00:46:25:39 – 00:46:53:08
Lauren Beck
It just like blew my mind when I started thinking about these things in a different way. It kind of. It was one of those moments where you’re like, how did I not see this before? Like my eyes have been opened and I can’t unsee this now. Right. So, once I started really diving into that and like putting my artwork out there, just I literally created an Instagram account in order to, like, start putting my lettering out there.
00:46:53:13 – 00:47:11:53
Lauren Beck
Because there was this contest that was running. I don’t even know how I found it. I think I just started googling stuff and, they were like, well, each month we’re running this contest, and if you letter a phrase each day and like, enter into this contest and use this hashtag like, you might be a winner, right?
00:47:11:53 – 00:47:29:07
Lauren Beck
And I was like, oh my God, I could be a winner. And like, never believing that I would. But I ended up at the end of the month, like winning this, this like prize. And I was like, damn. Okay. So, once I started doing that, like, people are like, what are you doing? What is this new stuff you’re doing?
00:47:29:07 – 00:47:50:58
Lauren Beck
Like, you’re drawing, but it’s words and it’s calligraphy and it’s like all these things. So it’s sort of like just kind of came out of me, like I was saying earlier, like, I just it’s something just like came out of me and I was like, gave myself permission to like, try something. And I think the positive feedback where I like, I don’t necessarily care about what people think.
00:47:50:58 – 00:48:02:36
Lauren Beck
But I think when you do hear something positive, it starts to like, it gives you this, like this feeling of, oh, this is okay. Sure. It gives you.
00:48:02:50 – 00:48:04:44
Agent Palmer
It’s it’s it’s a reassurance.
00:48:04:49 – 00:48:07:03
Lauren Beck
Reassurance. Sure. Yeah. And yeah.
00:48:07:07 – 00:48:10:43
Agent Palmer
And you I just so I don’t want to jump, but I’m.
00:48:10:43 – 00:48:11:54
Lauren Beck
So curious.
00:48:11:59 – 00:48:14:02
Agent Palmer
How do you get to the glass etching from the.
00:48:14:03 – 00:48:14:39
Lauren Beck
Piece like.
00:48:14:44 – 00:48:25:29
Agent Palmer
Because like, like I, I understand like the art. We’ve covered the artistic journey a bit, but like, glass is a completely different medium than picking up it. And.
00:48:25:33 – 00:48:46:11
Lauren Beck
Yeah. So, I’ll begin. I’ll take you in on that journey. Okay. If you want to come along with me, friends. Now. So first of all, I have to say that I am the type of person that, like, if I see something and I think I can do it, I try it like, I’m like, I gotta figure this shit out.
00:48:46:11 – 00:48:57:10
Lauren Beck
Like, I gotta, I gotta get the things to do this thing in order to prove to myself that I can do that. Okay? Okay. So, I feel like you’re probably sort of like that.
00:48:57:12 – 00:49:13:21
Agent Palmer
No. Yeah. I mean, I, I, I, I, I was ready to start this podcast before I had a mixer and, and I was just thinking about, like, how am I going to do it, how am I going to do it? And then somebody sent me a mixer and was like, no, you’re going to do this. And it was like, well, I got the tools.
00:49:13:21 – 00:49:25:24
Agent Palmer
Now I, I really have no, I have no reason not to like now, I like, I, I have all the tools. So yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. No I think, I think all creatives are like that.
00:49:25:24 – 00:49:26:42
Lauren Beck
We I agree we want to.
00:49:26:42 – 00:49:32:29
Agent Palmer
Challenge yourself to an extent like. And then when you get good at something you want to get better at it.
00:49:32:41 – 00:49:48:22
Lauren Beck
Yeah I want to get better. But I feel like I don’t want to be the I never want to be the best. I just want to always be, like, challenging myself. This is a weird thing about me. Like, I don’t really care if I’m the best. Like, I don’t want to be like, internet famous doing anything because that’s a lot of pressure, right?
00:49:48:24 – 00:49:51:43
Agent Palmer
That’s true. I, I just want to be better than I was last time, I guess.
00:49:51:45 – 00:50:13:22
Lauren Beck
Right? Right. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So okay, so I decide I’m going to do this thing. I’m getting like some business, doing, chalk signage, you know, getting some, some digital work. Well, actually, I, I didn’t have my iPad at that time, so I guess I was just doing, like, I don’t know what I was doing. Actually, I was getting clients.
00:50:13:22 – 00:50:37:18
Lauren Beck
Okay. I’m sure that. Yeah, that’s was years ago. And I’m doing this work, doing lettering and, really not doing illustration at all, right? I was just drawing letters or doing calligraphy. And I’m like, okay, I really gotta. I think calligraphy sounds good to me. Like, I think if I say I’m a calligrapher. Yep. I think that’s good.
00:50:37:18 – 00:50:45:51
Lauren Beck
I think that’s making money. I know exactly what that looks like. I know who my clients are, and I know I have the skills to do that.
00:50:45:54 – 00:50:46:32
Agent Palmer
And it’s like.
00:50:46:34 – 00:50:47:37
Lauren Beck
I’m to explanation.
00:50:47:37 – 00:50:49:38
Agent Palmer
For you, for other people.
00:50:49:43 – 00:50:51:07
Lauren Beck
Right? Right. Yes.
00:50:51:11 – 00:50:52:21
Agent Palmer
Because people know what that is.
00:50:52:21 – 00:51:13:30
Lauren Beck
Someone know? Hey, what do you do? I’m a calligrapher. Like that sounds good, right? Yeah. No. Yeah. Okay, so I made this decision. I’m like, this is what I’m going to do. I’m going to infiltrate the wedding community right? Well, it sounds like very devious, but, like. No, I’m. That’s where I’m going to find my clients is the wedding community.
00:51:13:30 – 00:51:35:22
Lauren Beck
People are getting married every day, like, no problem. So I started going down that road, you know, making sure I was, like, top notch with my calligraphy. I knew it was what I was talking about. And you know something? It’s it’s interesting how, like, you choose this path and you’re like, okay, this is a career that I can define.
00:51:35:27 – 00:51:59:18
Lauren Beck
But like, you try on the shoes and they don’t think they fit, but they just don’t feel right. Sure. Yeah. You know. Yeah. Yeah. So I got that and I was like, you know, I don’t think I’m like this fancy girl. Like, I’m not like this. Like it. Let me make all this fancy shit for your wedding. Like I like I there is something about and I don’t get me wrong, I bridal clients today, you know what I mean?
00:51:59:31 – 00:52:18:15
Lauren Beck
And I love them all and I get to do many different things for them. So I’m not. No knocking on any anyone who’s getting married. I don’t seek them out anymore. But, I will do bridal work because I do enjoy doing it, but I didn’t want to, like, define myself as that. Yeah. You want to do something more?
00:52:18:20 – 00:52:41:50
Lauren Beck
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, that’s where the iPad started coming in. And, once I got my hands on one of those and I could draw digitally, I was, like, in love. Like, I just. I was like, okay, I can do calligraphy, but I can also draw, and I also can do graphic design, which, I mean, that’s so many different formats, right?
00:52:42:01 – 00:53:09:27
Lauren Beck
Like that. Just like, and once clients started understanding that, yeah, I can make this digitally and send you a file that they were like, okay, why wouldn’t I love that? Right. So that sort of, you know, got me in that mode. But I really, I started doing all different types of lettering, diving into all different, like, anything I wanted to learn, like, I even took, class on sign painting, which was amazing.
00:53:09:31 – 00:53:34:47
Lauren Beck
I was like, this weekend full of just, like, literal, like, old school sign painting with a brush. And I learned a ton. So, you know, all these different materials, I just needed to get my hands on them. And it was really when I was doing bridal work, I was doing sign painting. I had, digital clients and I was teaching, which is another thing I can talk forever about that.
00:53:34:47 – 00:53:40:07
Lauren Beck
I was like, really? Like, what else can I do with this medium? That’s that’s like a niche.
00:53:40:07 – 00:53:41:04
Agent Palmer
Sure.
00:53:41:08 – 00:53:46:55
Lauren Beck
That, like, I can start to see my thing. My, my, my work on something.
00:53:47:06 – 00:53:48:06
Agent Palmer
Okay. Yeah.
00:53:48:11 – 00:54:08:28
Lauren Beck
Not like a place card that’s going to be thrown away the next day, right? Yeah. So it was that idea, that switch of my brain where I was like, what? What products can I create with this? And that’s where I kind of found the etching, the, the engraving with. And I do it with a hand tool. So it’s kind of cool that that’s, that’s sort of the path that I went.
00:54:08:28 – 00:54:16:40
Lauren Beck
You know, I tried many different things and I still do them today. I still use all those skills. But, the engravings a new thing.
00:54:16:45 – 00:54:20:41
Agent Palmer
But but you have come kind of full circle then, because you are teaching again.
00:54:20:46 – 00:54:24:48
Lauren Beck
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That that’s exactly right.
00:54:24:48 – 00:54:41:18
Agent Palmer
So I mean big picture, I want, I want to ask this because, because you are teaching but you also have all these other things. Right. So obviously you go back and before the teaching and you tell your younger self like, I’m just I’m going to be a calligrapher.
00:54:41:23 – 00:54:41:39
Lauren Beck
Yeah.
00:54:41:41 – 00:54:54:09
Agent Palmer
And you’re like, what? But but now that you’ve kind of got like the best of all worlds, right? Like there’s still more you’re obviously there’s still more to like, discover, but.
00:54:54:09 – 00:54:54:53
Lauren Beck
Like.
00:54:54:57 – 00:55:06:07
Agent Palmer
Have you reached that place where you’re like, no, I’m like, I’m good. Like, I can yeah, I can explore at my own pace. But like, if I don’t explore for a couple months, I’m good.
00:55:06:12 – 00:55:35:22
Lauren Beck
Like, hey, right, have you reached that? So I sort of, I, I’m finding clarity in all of these different skills that I’ve, gained along the way. I’m finding clarity of what feels best to me and what feels most like me. And, I really love engraving, and I really love creating products. So I’m going to continue doing that and using my lettering and illustration skills with that.
00:55:35:27 – 00:55:56:09
Lauren Beck
You know that that’s something I want. I’m definitely going to be continuing. But, the teaching part of me, the fact that you said it came full circle. Yeah, you’re right, I love teaching. I think it’s something that I’ll forever do. I’m also a forever learner. I just love information and, trying things and learning new things.
00:55:56:09 – 00:56:16:27
Lauren Beck
And and as soon as I learn something, I immediately want to teach it. But, what I encourage, like anyone who is going into a creative field and you’re doing your passion like I keep hearing from many people that you have have to have multiple streams of income, which is true, right? You have to be thinking of like, I can’t just get.
00:56:16:27 – 00:56:39:18
Lauren Beck
And with Covid, right. She’s a really I mean, my bridal clients went like, well, sorry we can’t pay you anymore. Like, what do you want us to do? We’re not getting married. Yeah. So like that, that has proven to me that any one part of anyone’s business can go away immediately, like it can just be pulled out from under them.
00:56:39:22 – 00:57:19:37
Lauren Beck
So, multiple streams of income. I really think, one of the opportunities for people that are creative or that have a skill, a specialized skill is teaching. And while that sounds really scary to a lot of people, I just encourage you to like, think of teaching in a different way. Perhaps it’s not leading a class like a traditional sense, but maybe it means publishing your own e-book or, you know, recording videos and then, you know, selling them or even just giving back to your community and the people who follow you online, like teaching them a little something like, oh, that’s education, right?
00:57:19:37 – 00:57:26:27
Agent Palmer
Well, I mean, I, you know, I mean, you don’t have to convince me, like, I, I do consulting for people that are like, you know.
00:57:26:27 – 00:57:26:55
Lauren Beck
Yeah.
00:57:27:00 – 00:57:57:52
Agent Palmer
Which which, I mean, I don’t mean to put down consulting, but like, consulting is just teaching, like, it really is because I, I, I get people that are like, well, can you help me, you know, start my podcast or like, what do I need technologically to start a podcast? And I end up knowing the answer. I’m not like, again, I, I’m reading about like, I just finished a book on World War two and I’m going to start a book on space flight.
00:57:57:52 – 00:58:05:04
Agent Palmer
Like nothing I’m really reading is like how to start a podcast in 2021?
00:58:05:09 – 00:58:05:36
Lauren Beck
00:58:05:41 – 00:58:17:13
Agent Palmer
But I’m doing it and I, I know enough things and I keep my, I guess I keep enough eye on the thing that I can be like, yes, no, I can absolutely help you. And I.
00:58:17:26 – 00:58:17:49
Lauren Beck
Write.
00:58:17:50 – 00:58:25:05
Agent Palmer
I, I my only like hesitation is I’m horrible at selling myself.
00:58:25:10 – 00:58:26:08
Lauren Beck
Yeah. Yeah.
00:58:26:08 – 00:58:32:42
Agent Palmer
And I mean that literally like I can sell myself in an interview for a job.
00:58:32:47 – 00:58:33:08
Lauren Beck
Sure.
00:58:33:16 – 00:58:46:20
Agent Palmer
But if you want me to help you I will. And then like I’m going to, you know, somebody’s going to be like why didn’t you charge her? I’m sure she would have paid you. And I’d be like, I don’t I? Well, I.
00:58:46:24 – 00:58:48:21
Lauren Beck
I’m that value question isn’t it.
00:58:48:22 – 00:58:55:16
Agent Palmer
It, it’s, it goes back to the imposter syndrome I guess because like, I just never know.
00:58:55:21 – 00:59:12:14
Lauren Beck
I think actually not to interrupt your thoughts. Oh go ahead. I, I’ve thought a lot about this, too. Always, always a thinker. I’ve thought a lot about this idea of like, well, why can’t creatives charge often enough, right?
00:59:12:19 – 00:59:12:42
Agent Palmer
Sure.
00:59:12:51 – 00:59:40:42
Lauren Beck
A lawyer has no problem telling you how much their hours are, right? No problem. None. You know, a doctor sends their bill or whatever it is, and you pay it, you don’t question. No. Right. So. But why do creatives why do you know any kind of creative to, why do they have such trouble with it? And I think it’s because we do really enjoy like we would, we would choose to do this even if someone didn’t pay us.
00:59:40:47 – 01:00:06:14
Lauren Beck
So to put a value on something we also enjoy almost feels like we’re cheating. Like when I make when I make lettered pieces, like, sure, for a client, like I have to follow the brief or I have to, you know, make sure it aligns to what they want. But, ultimately, like when I sit down to do it, I’m actually having a ton of fun.
01:00:06:19 – 01:00:19:43
Lauren Beck
Like I’m enjoying every moment of doing that. But I think that’s kind of the magic. And that’s that’s where people get envious of, of, you know, people like you or me that, that like to do what they’re doing is they’re just doing it.
01:00:19:43 – 01:00:32:16
Agent Palmer
I think it goes back to, you know, what? We what the expectations were when we were supposed to go to college and get a job. The expectation was never that you’re going to love what you do.
01:00:32:31 – 01:00:33:05
Lauren Beck
That’s true.
01:00:33:05 – 01:00:39:34
Agent Palmer
And and I feel like now that we’ve found that thing we love to do, it’s like, well, I don’t I don’t want to ruin it.
01:00:39:39 – 01:01:00:07
Lauren Beck
Yeah. Yeah. Right. I don’t want this person to say no and then never get paid for. Like, you know what? What I’m given. Like, I like you don’t want them to say no, so you don’t want to charge them what you think you should make. And yeah, it’s this whole back and forth that we do. And it’s just it’s never going to get better.
01:01:00:07 – 01:01:26:06
Lauren Beck
But, having conversations about pricing is, is something I like to do with people. Try to try to always think like, this is my business and I have to make money from it. I can’t just, you know, I’m not some like, rich lady that’s just doing this because, you know, I’ve got all the time in the world you have to make money to pay for your equipment and, you know, pay for your electricity.
01:01:26:11 – 01:01:58:09
Lauren Beck
You know, and, I think there’s nothing wrong with that. And I think that I think times are tough right now, but, I think that, art and, creative, creative businesses are really only going to flourish as we, you know, get better as an economy and just get better health wise as a nation. Right? Like, I think people are going to really want the arts and the creative people on the, you know, the writing, the movies, all of that people are going and they’re desperately wanting.
01:01:58:13 – 01:02:08:54
Lauren Beck
So I think it’s only going to get better with that kind of thing.
01:02:08:59 – 01:02:27:54
Agent Palmer
There is something special about the conversation Lauren and I just had there, and it is because we are where we are and we have been through what we have been through, that we were able to have that conversation at all. We could have had coffee 5 or 10 years ago, and not one of the things that came up would have come up.
01:02:28:08 – 01:02:53:54
Agent Palmer
We have in no small way bet on ourselves, but we haven’t just bet on ourselves. We have invested in the things we are passionate about. And as you just heard, they weren’t always the things we thought they would be. I think that is natural. My writing in this podcast may have been on the periphery all the time, especially with all the time I’ve spent looking back.
01:02:53:54 – 01:03:19:38
Agent Palmer
But you can’t see everything, and even when you can, you can’t know what details are important. The point is, when you find that thing to be passionate about, invest in yourself. Don’t be closed minded. Lauren has expanded from calligraphy. I started a blog and grew a brand. We still do those things, but we also do so much more.
01:03:19:43 – 01:03:42:51
Agent Palmer
Don’t limit yourself. Your growth is not static. It is as dynamic as you are. And since we’re discussing investing in oneself, let’s talk about my money issue. It hadn’t really occurred to me before Lauren said it, but perhaps it is because I enjoy the work, so that’s something that I’ll have to think more about. And while I’m at it.
01:03:42:51 – 01:04:07:51
Agent Palmer
And sometimes creative types can burn ourselves out from even our favorite projects, most of the time we love the art and we love the process, and that includes the art of getting lost in thought. I see the art of getting lost in thought as the bottom part of the iceberg that you don’t see, while the progress that people see that leads to the finished product is just that top bit.
01:04:07:56 – 01:04:37:54
Agent Palmer
And it’s not that it’s just a challenge, because it is usually something else is wrapped up in the thought process. And in most cases, you usually find those pieces of other inspirations distract you, and you have to just follow that one thread to get that one thing done. That doesn’t mean you can’t make note of the other things, but it is how most creatives end up with many, many more unfinished projects than you could possibly imagine.
01:04:38:03 – 01:05:02:24
Agent Palmer
And perhaps more than we’re comfortable admitting to. But take the time to invest in yourself. It doesn’t have to be a means to an end as a career. It could just be, hey, look, I created this or I did that, but there’s a level of accomplishment and pride that is unmatched when it is something you did for you.
01:05:02:29 – 01:05:25:20
Agent Palmer
So what have you created lately? And if you haven’t, what’s stopping you? Thank you for listening to The Palmer Files episode 39. And now for the official business. The Palmer Files releases every two weeks on Tuesdays. If you’re still listening, I encourage you to join the discussion. You can tweet me at Agent Palmer and the show at The Palmer Files.
01:05:25:24 – 01:05:52:14
Agent Palmer
You can find Lauren on Instagram at. Instagram.com. Slash Wren, Dot and Dot Inc, or on Facebook at facebook.com. Slash, ren and Dot Inc plus, I encourage you to visit ren and Ink.com. That’s ren and ink dot com to peruse all of her creations. Don’t forget you can see all of my ratings and ratings on Agent palmer.com and of course, email can be sent to the Palmer files at gmail.com.
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Agent Palmer
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01:06:38:59 – 01:06:41:27
Agent Palmer
Okay. Lauren, do you have one final question for me?
01:06:41:28 – 01:06:51:04
Lauren Beck
So, Sir Palmer, right? Can I call you that? I actually have to. I have two questions for you. Okay. Is that is that allowed?
01:06:51:04 – 01:06:52:25
Agent Palmer
No. I’ll give it to you.
01:06:52:30 – 01:07:15:53
Lauren Beck
Okay? Okay. Yeah. So my first question is, like, we were talking a little bit about teaching and education and what? Like if I told you you had to teach something, what would it be and how would you. Well, this is all one question. What would it be? And like, how would you how would you gift the world with this one thing?
01:07:15:58 – 01:07:38:02
Agent Palmer
Okay, so I all right, I, I, I have one side of my family is teachers. My grandmother was a teacher. My mother ended up doing some teaching. Aside from her consulting, my father’s actually done some teaching. My aunts done teaching, like my uncle, like, everybody on that side of the family is basically like a teacher.
01:07:38:07 – 01:08:07:53
Agent Palmer
And, I will tell you, before I get to the topic, it will not be anything less than high school because I just don’t think I have the patience. But I feel like it would probably be writing in some capacity. I don’t know if I have the I don’t know what the word is, maybe discipline for it to be journalism.
01:08:07:58 – 01:08:39:21
Agent Palmer
But maybe just like writing, like as at, like, you know, high school or like a junior college because I one of the things I don’t get a chance to do often is edit for people. And most of the time I’m editing for friends and people I know. So it’s not really a challenge, but it is like, okay, I, I see what you’re getting at.
01:08:39:21 – 01:09:00:41
Agent Palmer
How can I make it better so that you sound better, right. So I feel like it would probably be that, but at the same time, I absolutely love marketing. Like, we just pieces of it that I enjoy. So I could also teach marketing.
01:09:00:46 – 01:09:02:40
Lauren Beck
I yeah.
01:09:02:40 – 01:09:05:43
Agent Palmer
Which I guess kind of go hand in hand. I.
01:09:05:43 – 01:09:10:16
Lauren Beck
Mean, copy like writing copy for stuff is marketing, right?
01:09:10:18 – 01:09:22:57
Agent Palmer
Yeah, yeah. Although I’ve never been good. I mean, I, I, I know, former bosses that have asked me to write copy and they’re like you. What? Do you tell them a story. Just get the get get it across. It’s like.
01:09:23:08 – 01:09:23:53
Lauren Beck
Yeah, well, I.
01:09:24:07 – 01:09:45:54
Agent Palmer
And I know that some of them have come around and times have changed because, you know, the, what would a decade ago content was king. Right? Like that was the that was the word around the internet. It was just content is king. And I, I think that’s still the case. I think now more than ever it’s about story.
01:09:46:09 – 01:09:48:22
Lauren Beck
So yeah, it’s the storytelling.
01:09:48:22 – 01:10:10:40
Agent Palmer
Get it? And it doesn’t have to be written. I mean, this is where audio and even video, probably video more than anything is taken off, right? Like, I mean, look at the average YouTube channel or like Twitch streamer and the ones who tell stories are the ones that are making the money. It’s not just because, like, I’m good at a video game, like that’s no, it’s these people are personalities that tell stories.
01:10:10:40 – 01:10:31:22
Agent Palmer
And the same goes for podcast thing like storytelling, right? So yeah, I guess it all kind of coalesces. Maybe if there was a class on content creation like that would be my jam. But I feel like that’s such that I that’s super niche. Like maybe like an auxiliary community college would be like, yeah, like a one credit.
01:10:31:22 – 01:10:32:22
Lauren Beck
Like.
01:10:32:27 – 01:10:39:39
Agent Palmer
Content creation course. We’ll let that guy teach it. He seems to have his stuff together like.
01:10:39:44 – 01:10:41:03
Lauren Beck
I love it. That’s awesome.
01:10:41:03 – 01:10:45:59
Agent Palmer
So so I yeah that that I guess that’s awesome.
01:10:46:03 – 01:10:48:20
Lauren Beck
That’s very cool. Well, I have another question.
01:10:48:24 – 01:10:49:02
Agent Palmer
Okay.
01:10:49:07 – 01:11:06:45
Lauren Beck
That wasn’t my two questions. It’s kind of like a combine question. All right okay. So, I can letter you one quote up to like, I don’t know, like seven, like ten words. What would that quote be?
01:11:06:49 – 01:11:07:30
Agent Palmer
Well.
01:11:07:34 – 01:11:12:26
Lauren Beck
You had to make the quote like art.
01:11:12:31 – 01:11:15:12
Agent Palmer
That’s,
01:11:15:17 – 01:11:16:05
Lauren Beck
That’s a hard one.
01:11:16:14 – 01:11:23:44
Agent Palmer
It’s a, it’s a hard one because, and I’ve covered this before, but just wait.
01:11:23:44 – 01:11:25:02
Lauren Beck
Someone has asked you. No no no.
01:11:25:02 – 01:11:26:37
Agent Palmer
No no no no no no no no.
01:11:26:42 – 01:11:27:43
Lauren Beck
No. It’s because I.
01:11:27:43 – 01:11:42:17
Agent Palmer
I when I, when I was going to say I, I, I make meticulous notes when I read books. Yeah. You know, and I as I’ve said, but what I have said before is I don’t crack the spine, I don’t highlight, I don’t write in my books like, I, I make a digital note and then I go back and.
01:11:42:17 – 01:11:45:35
Lauren Beck
I look then, okay, I’m terrible with books.
01:11:45:38 – 01:11:48:10
Agent Palmer
I’ll make sure if I ever loan you, I’ll give you the book.
01:11:48:15 – 01:11:48:52
Lauren Beck
That so.
01:11:48:52 – 01:12:02:53
Agent Palmer
I so I won’t get it back and I won’t, but like so but I have digital I would, I, I don’t know if I like all I keep thinking is like I have a, a Google doc full of nothing but notes I’ve taken from books.
01:12:02:58 – 01:12:03:39
Lauren Beck
Yeah.
01:12:03:44 – 01:12:32:56
Agent Palmer
And I’m sure somewhere in there is something, but none of them are succinct. Like most of those things are like sentences or two sentences or paragraphs. Right. Like I think for like personally like taking what other people say out. Like it would almost be like, don’t be afraid to fail. Like, and I hear that from other people, but I think it’s a thing that I’ve started to take to heart more than anything, like, so I guess it would be don’t be afraid to fail.
01:12:32:56 – 01:12:34:08
Lauren Beck
Like, awesome.
01:12:34:13 – 01:12:38:47
Agent Palmer
I, I can’t think of anything else other than other than,
01:12:38:52 – 01:12:41:56
Lauren Beck
I have doubts thinking you go with like a movie quote or C.
01:12:41:57 – 01:12:56:32
Agent Palmer
And you know what? I was thinking about it. But like, the only, the only other thing I’ve got is, a post-it note that a friend wrote for me. In the early days of, Agent Palmer.
01:12:56:36 – 01:12:57:22
Lauren Beck
01:12:57:27 – 01:13:22:26
Agent Palmer
When no one knew much about me at all. And then I started, like, talking in on Twitter and, like, really, like becoming a part of podcast communities and stuff. He just, he just he just wrote Agent Palmer, nerd IRL hero online. And I was like, well, that’s so I mean, if it wasn’t going to be failure is okay, right?
01:13:22:26 – 01:13:38:53
Agent Palmer
Like then then it would probably be like nerd IRL hero online because I, I like to think that, well, I am the same person I am. I appear much more confident on the internet.
01:13:38:58 – 01:13:57:14
Lauren Beck
I love it. Well, those words have meaning to you, right? And that’s like what I love about, like, crafting these, like, artwork pieces or like making something drawing the words to because they have meaning behind them. Right? And they make them extra special. So I think that’s cool.
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