Adventures as New Parents

Episode 151 features my wife Stefanie, who is back to talk about our adventures as new parents.

From coming home with a baby to adapting to a new normal that is constantly changing, we’re surviving, but how? Listen to find out.

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Agent Palmer
Previously on Agent palmer.com. Coupland’s Tomb Raider guidebook is an artifact in its own right. The cap is more about life than it is about survival, and since last episode, Stef and I have been getting more sleep. This is The Palmer Files episode 151. With the return of my lovely wife Stefanie, who is back to talk about our adventures as new parents, from coming home with a baby to adapting to a new normal that is constantly changing.

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Agent Palmer
We’re surviving, but how are you ready? You may just hear little Palmer. Let’s do the show.

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Agent Palmer
Hello, and welcome to the Palmer Files. I’m your host, Jason Stershic, also known as Agent Palmer. And on this 151st episode, my wife Stefanie has returned to join me in telling the tale of our adventures as new parents. Like the last episode, we don’t pull any punches. We talk about having a two month old and what we’ve learned along the way.

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Agent Palmer
Things like teamwork really does make the dream work. Talking about surviving the first couple months while wondering how we did it, and of course we touch on the concept that babies have no self-preservation whatsoever. But first, remember that if you want to discuss this episode as you listen or afterward, you can find all related ways to contact us in the show notes.

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Agent Palmer
Don’t forget, you can see all of my writings and ratings on Agent Paul Viacom. And of course, email can be sent to the Palmer files at gmail.com. So without further ado, let’s get into it.

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Agent Palmer
So we talked all about, pregnancy and trying and now we’re in the recovery room. We don’t have to go through that much in the recovery room other than I felt. I. I want to say this. Okay.

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Stefanie Stershic

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Agent Palmer
I felt like a second class citizen. We were married. It’s not like you were unwed. We were married.

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Stefanie Stershic
Yeah.

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Agent Palmer
I’m your husband. I’m there for you. And if I had any question at all, most of the nurses are like, why is he talking?

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Stefanie Stershic
Yeah. And but basically, I like I also wanted you to answer questions on my behalf. I was like, I am not. You were not. You were.

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Agent Palmer
Out of.

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Stefanie Stershic
It. Like I just had a child. Like I’m. I’m. Yeah. And and sometimes they’d be coming in. They’d be coming in several times. And because they were needing to take my vitals, you be coming in in the middle of the night. And I’m like. And you would. And be asking questions and paperwork and all this other stuff. So I was like, no, like, look at here.

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Agent Palmer
I filled out the paperwork. They were surprised by that. I was like, what? No. No what? Like I’m.

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Stefanie Stershic
No, I mean, I just wonder if maybe, like, they weren’t used to that. Like, they weren’t used to the husband and father wanting to be that actively involved. And I mean, I get it. A lot of the things you couldn’t answer because everything’s like they’re asking me like how I was feeling, what I was doing, like.

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Agent Palmer
But but beyond that, there were questions about, like, other things. And it’s like, you know, I mean, I’ve already at this point, like, you know, within the first night, like I let you sleep. I changed the first few diapers. I did the first few feedings because obviously we were on formula. So I was able to, and, don’t get me started on the racket.

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Agent Palmer
That is formula. That’s a whole different podcast for a whole different time. Yeah, but so we, and we end up staying an extra night because of your significant Tara. And they wanted you to recover.

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Stefanie Stershic
And the doctor were like, you should stay another night. Just so we can keep an eye on you, just so we can make sure things are fine. I didn’t have a lot of pain. I think they were slightly surprised about that as well. I mean, they they gave me.

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Agent Palmer
And fast forward a few, fast forward a month, the doctor was like, well, you’ve healed up magnificently.

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Stefanie Stershic
Yeah, I will read it.

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Agent Palmer
Yeah, you will read it. So that and my my parents came back the next day. We kept it really minimal, like there were a lot of people within driving range that we could have had visit us at the hospital. My parents came back the next day just to kind of like, you know, look, sleeping. Neither you nor I were getting a lot of sleep.

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Stefanie Stershic
No, I.

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Agent Palmer
Wouldn’t have.

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Stefanie Stershic
Had better off than you because I was in a bed. You were in the hospital sofa. Pull bed or, the hospital so far, that turned into a bed that was not.

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Agent Palmer
And by the window. So it was always cold.

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Stefanie Stershic
Like you might as well been sleeping on the floor or sleeping on like a stone slab. Like it wasn’t very comfortable for you. It was bad. I feel bad.

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Agent Palmer
But I got enough sleep. My parents came by the next day, and then they met us here at the house, when we brought him home.

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Stefanie Stershic
Yeah. Do we want to go into any of the the procedures and the additional things that he had to go through? Because there were a lot of people that came in and out, not only just for me, but for him. Like they’d they tested his hearing right there in the room again.

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Agent Palmer
I mean, yeah, it’s there.

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Stefanie Stershic
It was interesting.

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Agent Palmer
There’s a lot of.

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Stefanie Stershic
This is a lot of stuff they do in the room with you. Like they don’t really take the babies.

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Agent Palmer
No, take them away. No. Outside of the first time when they did, his.

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Stefanie Stershic
His.

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Agent Palmer
Measurements is measurements in the Apgar score like everything was done with, with one exception.

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Stefanie Stershic
Which was the circumcision.

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Agent Palmer
Circumcision?

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Stefanie Stershic
They have to take him away.

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Agent Palmer
They took him away. Did that in there. So, but.

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Stefanie Stershic
A lot of the other stuff they did, they did there in the, in the room.

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Agent Palmer
Everything else was done in the room. The hearing test, the eye test, the, there I think there was a reflex test. There was a bunch of stuff.

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Stefanie Stershic
Yeah.

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Agent Palmer
We learned he doesn’t like being swaddled. No. Just great.

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Stefanie Stershic
No, because.

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Agent Palmer
Then we didn’t have to learn.

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Stefanie Stershic
He didn’t like being, naked. So he didn’t like being on swaddled, even though he didn’t like swaddle. He didn’t like being unsettled and being out of a diaper. We we had we decided that we’re going to do the, photos in the hospital. So the hospital.

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Agent Palmer
At the.

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Stefanie Stershic
Hospital, they have a professional photographer that they come in and.

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Agent Palmer
Or they partner with or whatever. They got a bunch of good photos.

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Stefanie Stershic
And that was there. It was really nice. Like, they like, she really knew what she was doing. Like, she got some great photos. So she basically.

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Agent Palmer
And I went.

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Stefanie Stershic
Over everything, went over the packages and. Yeah, she kind of conscripted. Conscripted you again I got.

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Agent Palmer
Yeah. Just just to.

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Stefanie Stershic
Hold him and like. Oh, turn this way, turn that way. Do this way. Here’s use your hands like this. And stuff.

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Agent Palmer
And he was. And he ended up wearing one of my onesies. Yeah.

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Stefanie Stershic
Like we had my parents had.

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Agent Palmer
We brought.

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Stefanie Stershic
Some outfits. Yeah.

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Agent Palmer
And so but eventually we finally get to go home, which is great. Yeah. It’s wonderful to be like, it’s nothing against a hospital. It’s not cramped. There’s plenty of room, but, like.

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Stefanie Stershic
Food is really good. I mean, food was good. We got to order food several times.

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Agent Palmer
So we came home. My parents got us dinner.

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Stefanie Stershic
Yes.

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Agent Palmer
And it was kind of like. All right, well, nap like you’re home now. Now what? Like you now have fun. Like, by the way, like he was waking up. You know, newborns wake up every hour or two. Yeah. To feed. They don’t eat a lot, but they eat often.

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Stefanie Stershic
Yeah.

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Agent Palmer
And,

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Stefanie Stershic
We’re we we’re recording this.

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Agent Palmer
Same as the previous episode. You know, many weeks later. So we’re sleeping better as a family, but we’re not sleeping in the night now. But we are, new parents, and that’s what this one’s about. The first one is all about the arrival of our wonderful.

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Stefanie Stershic
Bundle of joy.

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Agent Palmer
Bundle of joy? Now you’re a mom. You’re mom.

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Stefanie Stershic
Now I’m a mom, I. I very quickly came to the realization like, oh, I’m a mom now. Like this. This is this is how this feels. And, it it I don’t want to say it was odd. It wasn’t odd. It was just. It just suddenly felt right. Well that’s.

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Agent Palmer
It. Yeah. There’s there’s the see, but that’s a nature thing, right? It has to be it.

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Stefanie Stershic
Absolutely.

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Agent Palmer
But like, I’m.

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Stefanie Stershic
But you’re still completely like, worried that you’re going to screw up or you’re, you’re going to mess with your stuff. I had mentioned the things came naturally.

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Agent Palmer
I had mentioned before, we read some books.

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Stefanie Stershic
Yes, we did, which, they were very helpful.

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Agent Palmer
And we had, cousins of mine who have, three.

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Stefanie Stershic
Year olds, almost three, I think. Yeah.

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Agent Palmer
Who and cousins of mine that had, a.

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Stefanie Stershic
Two month old.

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Agent Palmer
A two month old. So, yeah, but we were talking to the parents that had been sleeping for a while because we.

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Stefanie Stershic
Didn’t want to bother the ones that were currently in the position that we’re in where it’s like they, they were.

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Agent Palmer
Just. And so going through any questions we had, obviously every pregnancy is different. Every mother and father is different. Every child is different. But like you get there are just questions. Yeah. And like one of the greatest ones, one of the greatest pieces of advice we got was if anybody wants to give you anything, take take it.

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Agent Palmer
And part of that is there’s enough decisions along the way and even afterwards that like, if somebody gives you a crib, you don’t have to shop for a crib. It’s not that you. It’s anything you can get. Great.

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Stefanie Stershic
Yeah. Our our baby registry list was.

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Agent Palmer
So minimal that it sold out in very. But we also it was very economical. Yeah. It was not. There was nothing over $100. There was nothing over I know that.

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Stefanie Stershic
Well the one the the the the the Tula, the the baby. I think that was okay. Maybe that was, that was only.

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Agent Palmer
It was not by much.

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Stefanie Stershic
I think it was a little bit more than that. But, but but that was our that was like one of our big ticket.

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Agent Palmer
That was our only big ticket item. We didn’t have a bunch because.

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Stefanie Stershic
It’s it’s like this, this baby carrier, basically like a Baby Bjorn, but better because it, it converts and allows for different positions. But people will grow with your child.

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Agent Palmer
So one of the more we didn’t we didn’t give out the registry until after the arrival. Yeah. We wait. What it meant was when.

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Stefanie Stershic
We.

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Agent Palmer
For the horse, there was, a castle of Amazon packages. Yeah. To get because.

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Stefanie Stershic
We started, we gave the the registry out while we were in the hospital, while we were in the house, because we’re like, you know, people can start shopping and stuff, but then and immediately, immediately.

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Agent Palmer
I will say, yeah.

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Stefanie Stershic
So a lot of people are like, we don’t know what to get. And then we’re like, diapers, diapers for gift cards.

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Agent Palmer
Because we’re getting.

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Stefanie Stershic
Yeah. Diapers and formula. Yeah.

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Agent Palmer
But we, we have everything. I don’t want.

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Stefanie Stershic
More. Now we got a hand-me-down crib which we were very grateful for. It’s still, we.

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Agent Palmer
Bought a transportation system ourselves because you, you have to have a way to get the kid home.

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Stefanie Stershic
From the hospital. So the, the car seat and the.

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Agent Palmer
What was the transportation system is a car seat carrier and stroller.

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Stefanie Stershic
All all all the one. You didn’t need the stroller. We only took the car seat with us, but.

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Agent Palmer
Yeah. And so, But you’re a mom now.

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Stefanie Stershic
Yeah.

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Agent Palmer
You haven’t been back to work yet. As we as we record this, I think by the time this releases, you’ll be back to work. But, I am work working. Although I. You know, we both work from home, and I set my own hours, so it’s okay. But, like, I being a dad is, It it’s weird because I still want to do my stuff.

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Agent Palmer
Yeah, but I’m like, I should.

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Stefanie Stershic
I though. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there’s still things that, like, I feel the urge to do, like, I, I very heavily got into a specific game on my switch while I was pregnant because it was kind of helping keep me and keep me sane. And so, yeah, like, I still want to, like, play that because it’s fun.

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Stefanie Stershic
And I think even as a new parent will help keep me sane. But there’s not a lot of time for that anymore. Even, like at night when we’re awake with him, I may, like, look at something on my phone or turn something on on the TV, because that’s easier than turning on. That’s what I’ve been doing.

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Agent Palmer
I recently, after a month of turning on the TV with him. Yeah, at three for 3 or 4 or 5 a.m. feeding, I’ve now switched to music, which has been great. Because I feel like it’s not as distracting to you, especially because he’s still in the room with us. Yeah, but.

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Stefanie Stershic
And we’re taking turns, like one of us is usually asleep while the other.

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Agent Palmer
Yeah, we’re trying to, especially because when there’s two hour shifts or a three hour shift, like, if you skip one, somebody can get four hours.

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Stefanie Stershic
Yeah.

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Agent Palmer
Of sleep or something. Yeah. But.

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Stefanie Stershic
Which has been helpful. And that’s been the hardest part.

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Agent Palmer
Sleep well.

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Stefanie Stershic
It’s it’s getting harder because of the.

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Agent Palmer
Lack of sleep is, one of the symptoms that leads to the sickness of lack of communication. Because I thought I told you that.

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Stefanie Stershic
Yeah.

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Agent Palmer
And we’ve been. So when you first bring a baby home from the hospital, you track what goes into their body and what comes out of their body.

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Stefanie Stershic
Yeah. You track and and and so. And how much they eat.

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Agent Palmer
Yeah. We continued. We stopped worrying about the outs once he became regular and after, like the one month when the doc’s like, you don’t have to track this anymore. We’ve continued to monitor the end because you the memory is we can’t.

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Stefanie Stershic
Remember how much he’s eating, how long it’s been, how.

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Agent Palmer
Long has it been, how much. And and we have a general idea and obviously he’s eating more and more, which is great. Yeah. When and that’s.

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Stefanie Stershic
Also the hardest part as well as this is trying to figure out how much to give him and how much he’ll eat because it changes its.

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Agent Palmer
Formula. So as I alluded to in the previous episode, is the biggest waste.

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Stefanie Stershic
It is we waste so much. And it’s something that you asked in the.

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Agent Palmer
Past in the hospital because like so they give you these two ounce, 59 milliliter bottles to feed the baby in the hospital. Yeah. And the doctor’s, like, if he eats ten milliliters. That’s great. Fifteen’s great. And then, once. But once you open one of those bottles, it’s good for an hour and throw it away, and he’s not going to eat it within the hour.

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Agent Palmer
So you’re basically like throwing away a most full bottle majority. And as he goes along and babies go along, they eat a little bit more and a little bit more, but just that’s the that’s not those things formula in general is it’s once it’s open, it’s good for 24 hours in the fridge and once it’s in a bottle bottle at room temperature.

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Stefanie Stershic
It’s only good for now for an hour. And that, that’s, well, are. So your parents were surprised by that? Everyone was told was surprised. But because they’re they’re used to.

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Agent Palmer
Especially.

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Stefanie Stershic
They’re used to preparing things ahead of time, making several bottles, keeping them in the fridge. So it was all prepared ahead of time. We can’t prepare anything.

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Agent Palmer
And that’s that’s been kind of this. So there are a couple things. Overall when we talk about being a new parent. Number one from my cousins, babies have no self-preservation skills whatsoever.

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Stefanie Stershic
Nope.

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Agent Palmer
Maybe you should swallow while you’re drinking that much. Yeah, maybe. Maybe, but I don’t have to. I’m just going.

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Stefanie Stershic
To. Don’t sleep at the same time.

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Agent Palmer
Don’t drink. Don’t drink and sleep. No sleeping. No, no, that’s not good. And, maybe you don’t have to try and yeet yourself off of whoever’s holding you like, from one shoulder to the next, or from what? You know.

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Stefanie Stershic
Suddenly just whip the head around and basically slam your head into your mom’s lip and cause her to have a swollen lip.

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Agent Palmer
That’s part of it. Yep. You had you had a swollen lip.

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Stefanie Stershic
Yep.

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Agent Palmer
But the other piece is just how, And look formula, baby. Which means he didn’t lose any weight at birth.

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Stefanie Stershic
No. And he lost. He lost some.

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Agent Palmer
He lost some little, but not much. Not compared to what? Oh, just straight.

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Stefanie Stershic
Pediatrician was pretty happy with. Would be with what he did lose. And then he gained it very quickly.

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Agent Palmer
But, he.

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Stefanie Stershic
Gained it back and then some.

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Agent Palmer
I will say talking to we have a lot of our friends, and family, but mainly our friends that we talk to on a regular basis run the gamut from younger than us to older than us. And to be our parent. And so.

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Stefanie Stershic
Parents age.

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Agent Palmer
During that first two weeks when people would come by to visit.

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Stefanie Stershic
Bring gifts.

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Agent Palmer
Bring gifts, see.

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Stefanie Stershic
The baby, see the baby now.

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Agent Palmer
See how we’re doing.

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Stefanie Stershic
Yeah.

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Agent Palmer
Sanity checks and just talking about how things have changed.

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Stefanie Stershic
Yeah.

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Agent Palmer
Even like friends of ours that have a 20 year old, things have changed in 20 years. We’re I’m, I’m, I’m over 40. So the anybody my parents age or older that, you know, it’s like I have.

00:16:49:01 – 00:16:51:13
Stefanie Stershic
A niece that’s ten. And things have changed in the last ten years.

00:16:51:13 – 00:16:55:33
Agent Palmer
And so those conversations about the things that have changed.

00:16:55:33 – 00:16:58:18
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah.

00:16:58:22 – 00:17:04:51
Agent Palmer
And I gotta tell you, not always for the better. Sometimes it’s just a lateral move. It’s like, oh, well, now we do this.

00:17:04:51 – 00:17:06:09
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah.

00:17:06:14 – 00:17:26:12
Agent Palmer
Okay. Sure. But I will say. Thank God they’re cute because, like, when he’s a terror, not often we can’t. I mean, really lucky.

00:17:26:17 – 00:17:27:25
Stefanie Stershic
He he’s a very good baby.

00:17:27:25 – 00:17:30:51
Agent Palmer
He’s a very good baby. Yeah, but when he.

00:17:30:56 – 00:17:46:41
Stefanie Stershic
You just cries, when he. When he need something really get when he’s hungry and when he’s, when he’s peed himself because he hates having a wet diaper. That’s another thing that we, we had to get used to. I mean, I, like I said, I have, I have a niece, so I’ve, I’ve changed diapers before, but boy is a girl so much.

00:17:46:41 – 00:17:49:05
Agent Palmer
Different than him. So I will say this.

00:17:49:09 – 00:17:50:53
Stefanie Stershic
He christened his room when we first brought him home.

00:17:50:53 – 00:17:53:56
Agent Palmer
My. So you slept.

00:17:54:11 – 00:17:54:27
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah.

00:17:54:41 – 00:17:55:45
Agent Palmer
That first night.

00:17:55:50 – 00:17:56:49
Stefanie Stershic

00:17:58:33 – 00:18:05:47
Agent Palmer
And obviously in the hospital you’ve got nurses as back up. So you can how you can ask for help. Like can you change the baby.

00:18:05:47 – 00:18:09:53
Stefanie Stershic
Or you had changed his diaper way more times than I had by the time we got home.

00:18:10:05 – 00:18:19:46
Agent Palmer
But yeah. And but that was my first I had, I had babysat before like really changed. I never changed the diaper. So yeah.

00:18:19:48 – 00:18:20:21
Stefanie Stershic
I really.

00:18:20:26 – 00:18:20:43
Agent Palmer
Don’t.

00:18:20:44 – 00:18:22:55
Stefanie Stershic
I was the only one that had the actual experience changed.

00:18:23:01 – 00:18:30:34
Agent Palmer
Until until we got home. Yeah. At which point I was up to speed. It doesn’t take long to to figure that out.

00:18:30:39 – 00:18:41:17
Stefanie Stershic
And we had started, early on, we were tag teaming poop diapers because, as I said, he had Chris in his room while I was trying to change him. Just pee everywhere. Pee on the.

00:18:41:23 – 00:18:43:54
Agent Palmer
You just had to get you. I mean, with boys, you had to get used to that.

00:18:44:01 – 00:18:58:51
Stefanie Stershic
You got to be speedy. You got to kind of. Yeah, you got to do things to to kind of make sure that you’re covering it as best as possible. So I learned pretty quickly it I caught on fairly quickly. And then after a while we no longer had to tag team diaper changes. I was able to do it my own.

00:18:59:00 – 00:19:11:19
Agent Palmer
And we still do a bunch of things that like we could probably do solo, but we don’t. Yeah. So like, yeah, like I’ll, I’ll wake up with you at 3 a.m. and I’ll get the bottle.

00:19:11:21 – 00:19:11:53
Stefanie Stershic
While I go.

00:19:11:53 – 00:19:12:50
Agent Palmer
And change. Oh, you change it.

00:19:12:51 – 00:19:16:17
Stefanie Stershic
By the time I get back, there’s already the bottle and you go to sleep and I. Yeah.

00:19:16:18 – 00:19:44:47
Agent Palmer
And there’s a lot of overlap as far as, like, well, he’s crying because he’s hungry and the wet himself. And so the two things need to happen in rapid succession and so help out. But I, I will say, looking forward, and this will be interesting. I’m sure it’ll come up on the podcast in future episodes, but like, I will be the primary caregiver when you go back to work.

00:19:44:51 – 00:19:47:14
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah.

00:19:47:19 – 00:19:56:35
Agent Palmer
Not really scared so much as, like, I don’t know, as we go for, like, baby sleep a lot.

00:19:56:40 – 00:19:57:10
Stefanie Stershic
They do.

00:19:57:10 – 00:19:58:06
Agent Palmer
And that’s fine.

00:19:58:19 – 00:20:00:21
Stefanie Stershic
But things start to change. Yeah.

00:20:00:21 – 00:20:07:13
Agent Palmer
And I, I just keep thinking, like, am I going to be able to keep a.

00:20:07:18 – 00:20:12:26
Agent Palmer
Am interested for long enough when he’s awake.

00:20:12:31 – 00:20:13:40
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah.

00:20:13:45 – 00:20:15:30
Agent Palmer
I don’t mind reading I will.

00:20:15:42 – 00:20:17:19
Stefanie Stershic
Oh yeah. We’ll, we’ll read to him.

00:20:17:19 – 00:20:17:48
Agent Palmer
But like.

00:20:17:55 – 00:20:27:11
Stefanie Stershic
Start to play with toys and stuff. But that’s the other thing that was, that has changed a lot is like it’s a, it’s a wonder that we survived as children.

00:20:27:16 – 00:20:34:18
Agent Palmer
We survived. There were we in our, in our cribs. We had according to our parents, we had bumpers, we had blankets, we had toys.

00:20:34:18 – 00:20:35:18
Stefanie Stershic
Toys.

00:20:35:23 – 00:20:38:14
Agent Palmer
Not a lot having any more now. It’s like now within the first year.

00:20:38:27 – 00:20:50:23
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah. Now it’s like nothing in the crib like the pick. But it’s basically a crib. You can have a sheet and a baby and that’s it. That’s there’s nothing else in the crib. It’s it’s crazy.

00:20:50:28 – 00:20:54:12
Agent Palmer
Again, it’s, it’s those things that have changed. It’s just kind of, you know, whatever.

00:20:54:12 – 00:20:58:03
Stefanie Stershic
But he’s not allowed to sleep on his stomach has to be on the back.

00:20:58:08 – 00:21:02:22
Agent Palmer
That’s that’s. But that’s not new. But it’s new. Since we were babies.

00:21:02:22 – 00:21:19:32
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah, yeah. It’s changed. Somebody like you used to be like, oh, they should always sleep on their back. And then, oh, they should sleep on their stomach. Now it’s back to only sleep on the back. And which makes sense because that’s supposed to help avoid them suffocating because when they’re this young they can’t rollover on their own. Although, he’s a little baby genius already, and, he’s.

00:21:19:32 – 00:21:20:47
Agent Palmer
Not a baby genius.

00:21:20:47 – 00:21:23:46
Stefanie Stershic
Is because he.

00:21:23:51 – 00:21:26:54
Agent Palmer
He’s an only child already. You’ve got to give him a complex.

00:21:26:56 – 00:21:45:27
Stefanie Stershic
It’s fine. He we do tummy time because they say to do that so that they can start to to build the muscles in their neck. He hates tummy time. He hates being on his on his stomach. And so he has very quickly learned to roll over. He, I think to the he rolls over to the, to the, to the left, to the, to the right.

00:21:45:27 – 00:21:53:11
Stefanie Stershic
I can’t remember how he rolls over, but only one direction. But the fact that he’s already rolling over in one direction is very early for for his age.

00:21:53:11 – 00:21:56:15
Agent Palmer
You haven’t finished the second book yet? I’ve read the second book.

00:21:56:15 – 00:22:12:15
Stefanie Stershic
But no, but it’s true. They they start to learn to roll over 1 in 1 direction. But he already started it fairly early. I don’t, it’s fine. He can’t do it in both directions. And that’s what continues to progress. But that’s not to like 3 or 6 months like that. He starts to roll over in both directions.

00:22:12:24 – 00:22:16:29
Agent Palmer
I still think it’s fine that he can’t move on his own.

00:22:16:33 – 00:22:18:48
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah, well it’s great. Yeah, because.

00:22:19:02 – 00:22:21:28
Agent Palmer
I don’t have to worry about, like, where are you going?

00:22:21:29 – 00:22:24:05
Stefanie Stershic
We’re, we’ve got a we’re going to have to like his baby.

00:22:24:20 – 00:22:33:39
Agent Palmer
We haven’t. We? Yeah, that’s the thing. We’re recording this, you know, with a less than two month old. So we haven’t had the baby prove anything yet because he can only go somewhere when we take him.

00:22:33:46 – 00:22:34:50
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah.

00:22:34:54 – 00:22:36:48
Agent Palmer
We have gone outside. He’s.

00:22:36:48 – 00:22:38:48
Stefanie Stershic
He walks? Yeah. In a stroller. Yeah.

00:22:38:50 – 00:22:42:19
Agent Palmer
You know, when it gets warmer because it’s still fairly cold.

00:22:42:19 – 00:22:46:00
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah, it’s still very cold for for the time of year, which sucks.

00:22:46:00 – 00:22:54:56
Agent Palmer
But you know, we’ll get we’ve gotten them outside. You’ve gotten some vitamin D. We’ve taken them around to the neighbors. Yep. And and if.

00:22:55:06 – 00:22:58:43
Stefanie Stershic
That that’s that was also funny. Like, there were several neighbors who apparently. Yeah.

00:22:58:48 – 00:23:06:23
Agent Palmer
We’re right in, like, we didn’t talk about this, but you didn’t like until the very end. Prized like you didn’t carry like you didn’t.

00:23:06:23 – 00:23:11:05
Stefanie Stershic
Look, I wasn’t huge. Yeah. No, it was it was all in the stomach. Like the stomach was the big thing.

00:23:11:05 – 00:23:14:26
Agent Palmer
And it was winter. We didn’t we didn’t go out.

00:23:14:28 – 00:23:14:53
Stefanie Stershic
We work.

00:23:14:53 – 00:23:26:37
Agent Palmer
From home. It’s not like there’s other people that are seen. When people see you, it’s from the neck up, like it’s in the zoom call, like it’s not. It’s not like they’re seeing all of you. You’re not walking into a room in a meeting.

00:23:26:42 – 00:23:27:05
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah.

00:23:27:19 – 00:23:33:36
Agent Palmer
So, I’ll say a lot of there were a few neighbors when we were walking around, like, is that is that is that yours?

00:23:33:41 – 00:23:42:28
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah. Yes. It’s like, oh, did you have a baby? Yeah. We did. When? A month ago. Yeah.

00:23:42:33 – 00:23:51:45
Agent Palmer
Now, we didn’t talk about this in the previous episode. Were you? I mean, we talked about having a kid for quite a while.

00:23:51:45 – 00:23:52:31
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah.

00:23:52:35 – 00:23:54:25
Agent Palmer
It took me a while to convince you.

00:23:54:29 – 00:24:02:01
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah, I, I was not sure. Early on, I wasn’t sure if I wanted kids.

00:24:02:05 – 00:24:02:58
Agent Palmer
What kid or.

00:24:02:58 – 00:24:30:54
Stefanie Stershic
Kid? Yeah. Or kid? Once we started dating, still wasn’t entirely sure. But once I started hanging out with my niece more, I think I started to get that kind of urge to want to have a child of my own, one that I could play with and talk to and just love. And so I think I was probably easier to convince by that point.

00:24:30:59 – 00:24:45:03
Stefanie Stershic
Although had I known all the stuff that was going to happen to me during my pregnancy, I think that’s also why I’m like, yeah, definitely one and done. Because it sure was not easy, but worth it. I think. But so forth.

00:24:45:08 – 00:25:02:38
Agent Palmer
So I always kind of expected to have a child. Yeah. I had also always anticipated having one. Now that could be the only child thing. Yeah. I didn’t feel the need to go like, well, I have to have two.

00:25:02:43 – 00:25:06:20
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah. You have to have, you know, 2.5 and a picket fence. Right.

00:25:06:24 – 00:25:08:54
Agent Palmer
Yeah. Who wants to have 0.5 anyway?

00:25:08:59 – 00:25:10:25
Stefanie Stershic
I always I never understood that.

00:25:10:25 – 00:25:11:28
Agent Palmer
Well that’s the, it’s the you never.

00:25:11:28 – 00:25:13:23
Stefanie Stershic
Know what’s the average statistic.

00:25:13:30 – 00:25:14:48
Agent Palmer
But like yeah. Yeah.

00:25:14:53 – 00:25:15:35
Stefanie Stershic
But still people.

00:25:15:35 – 00:25:17:37
Agent Palmer
Are having less and less kids as it is.

00:25:17:37 – 00:25:18:27
Stefanie Stershic
Now and later and.

00:25:18:27 – 00:25:20:22
Agent Palmer
Later and later and later. We’re not.

00:25:20:22 – 00:25:22:57
Stefanie Stershic
We’re not abnormal to be in like our late for.

00:25:22:57 – 00:25:23:35
Agent Palmer
Right now 30s.

00:25:23:35 – 00:25:24:03
Stefanie Stershic
Are like 40.

00:25:24:03 – 00:25:26:31
Agent Palmer
Compared to like everything. We’re not.

00:25:26:31 – 00:25:28:30
Stefanie Stershic
Abnormal. No.

00:25:28:35 – 00:25:34:53
Agent Palmer
Or compared to everything. We’re not.

00:25:34:58 – 00:25:39:30
Agent Palmer
Compared to everything we are abnormal. But compared to the modern stuff.

00:25:39:35 – 00:25:40:15
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah.

00:25:40:20 – 00:25:41:34
Agent Palmer
We’re not abnormal.

00:25:41:46 – 00:26:03:18
Stefanie Stershic
I’ve got I’ve, I’ve watched I just watched the babies like face just slowly slide across his chest. Just like his. His lips like slowly dragging along. It was hilarious because he’s he’s very sleepy. He was asleep for a while now. For a little while we were doing this, but he is starting to wake up. Do you want to say anything?

00:26:03:23 – 00:26:05:18
Stefanie Stershic
Say hi.

00:26:05:23 – 00:26:11:23
Agent Palmer
No.

00:26:11:28 – 00:26:15:46
Agent Palmer
Oh, no. I want to spit up fun.

00:26:15:51 – 00:26:17:15
Stefanie Stershic
He does that a lot. Babies do that.

00:26:17:17 – 00:26:19:00
Agent Palmer
That’s not going to work well on Mike.

00:26:19:05 – 00:26:27:02
Stefanie Stershic
Hey.

00:26:27:07 – 00:26:44:59
Stefanie Stershic
Me. Me? Yeah. Hey, me.

00:26:45:04 – 00:26:52:55
Unknown

00:26:53:00 – 00:26:54:35
Stefanie Stershic

00:26:54:39 – 00:27:04:01
Agent Palmer
So 2.5. I it was never I never envisioned more than one. Yeah. Always one.

00:27:04:06 – 00:27:05:27
Stefanie Stershic
And I was like, I want to. Yeah.

00:27:05:36 – 00:27:06:33
Agent Palmer
I was like, I think when I.

00:27:06:33 – 00:27:07:20
Stefanie Stershic
Convinced you.

00:27:07:20 – 00:27:14:12
Agent Palmer
To have a kid, it was because it was. I convinced you to have, you know, it wasn’t like, hey, let’s have a brood.

00:27:14:17 – 00:27:17:42
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah, well, and you even were like, let’s have one. And then maybe we’ll think about it.

00:27:17:42 – 00:27:19:27
Agent Palmer
It was like, no, I never said that.

00:27:19:28 – 00:27:27:25
Stefanie Stershic
No, no, I’m saying you you. It wasn’t that you said, oh yeah. Yeah. That that you said, you know, let’s have one and then we’ll see. It was always just like one.

00:27:27:25 – 00:27:50:20
Agent Palmer
Truth be told, I let’s have I was surprised you were, so amicable in trying again after the first. I know it was only you know, very early non-viable pregnancy, but yeah, I was, I like I had it in my head that it was going to be like, all right, we’ll try. And if it don’t work, it don’t work.

00:27:50:22 – 00:28:00:04
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah. I think I because I already thought this to myself like had it not worked the second time, I don’t know if I would have tried a third time.

00:28:00:08 – 00:28:09:48
Agent Palmer
Yeah. I mean, it it’s kind of like, like, yeah. Like we could keep going until it worked, but like, oh, like, there’s a lot. Yeah. And like this.

00:28:09:53 – 00:28:18:33
Stefanie Stershic
Like it happened early on in the first one that it was. Yeah. I don’t want to say it was easy to get over, but like, it wasn’t that we were like that invested yet. It.

00:28:18:33 – 00:28:21:11
Agent Palmer
Barely hit me that you were pregnant by the time that.

00:28:21:17 – 00:28:41:52
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah. It didn’t work. Yeah. So it’s like, I think depending on maybe if it hadn’t worked the second time, at what point it didn’t work, the second time would probably have had some some bearing on it potentially. But, yeah. No, it it definitely was I think because because this worked out it great. We’re we’re done. We don’t have to do it again.

00:28:41:52 – 00:28:49:54
Stefanie Stershic
But yeah there were several times during the pregnancy that that I thought it would I, would I do it again if this doesn’t work out. And so they.

00:28:49:54 – 00:28:56:33
Agent Palmer
Really thought about that, I didn’t I was like, I think especially when we got into the third trimester, I was like, all right, well this is it.

00:28:56:38 – 00:29:31:31
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah. It was early on like, well it, it well a couple times throughout I think, because as things kind of kept happening with the gestational diabetes and, and then being driven crazy about kick counts and, and you know, if, if keep track of this and, and let us know if you, you, you know, start to bleed or lose fluids or all this other stuff and you think about that, especially I think as the person that is actively pregnant, and trying to create a being inside you, you sometimes think about things like what?

00:29:31:31 – 00:29:34:06
Stefanie Stershic
What happens if something goes wrong? Will you try? So here’s.

00:29:34:06 – 00:29:44:54
Agent Palmer
The thing. All things being, you know what they are and how they how they have worked out. Yeah. Like what surprised you the most?

00:29:44:59 – 00:29:45:56
Stefanie Stershic
Like about all of it.

00:29:45:56 – 00:29:50:21
Agent Palmer
About all of it. Whether it’s the pregnancy stuff, the new parent stuff.

00:29:50:26 – 00:30:03:41
Stefanie Stershic
I mean, how quick it went from, because that’s something that like, you were hesitant to tell some of the female family members. Oh, yeah, I was quick. I was, so.

00:30:03:46 – 00:30:07:13
Agent Palmer
I tell people like, oh, she was only in labor for 25 minutes.

00:30:07:20 – 00:30:11:00
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah. And, because they didn’t want them to be jealous.

00:30:11:05 – 00:30:19:27
Agent Palmer
And a few people were like, good for you. Congratulations. And a few people like. Yeah, that’s kind of I told her, I told, I told the boys. Yeah. I was like, this is how it went down.

00:30:19:32 – 00:30:39:28
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And because, yeah, I think that was the, the surprising thing was just, just how quickly it happened. And then and he was here and I think it was a huge, just relief to finally have him out. We could see him. We could see how he was doing.

00:30:39:37 – 00:30:52:16
Agent Palmer
We could see his face because he didn’t like being face. I mean, we didn’t talk about this, but like sonograms with this child, he’s photogenic. Kinda weird. Like he doesn’t like his photo being taken.

00:30:52:16 – 00:31:18:33
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it was hard to get all of the required photos of him in an ultrasound. He was not, cooperative. Yeah. And now we’ve taken so many photos and things, but it was it was nice to have him on the outside and being able to hold him and see him, and, Yeah, but I think.

00:31:18:38 – 00:31:39:42
Agent Palmer
There’s a lot like. Yeah, I mean, there’s, there’s definitely a lot and I, I like that we read the books and we talked to people. We had people to talk to. But and I know every child is different, but like, a, a little bit of help is like, useful like. Yeah. It’s unknown. Sure. I don’t know. I’m doing sure you’ll figure it out like everybody does.

00:31:39:44 – 00:31:47:55
Agent Palmer
Yeah, sure. But like, it is nice to, like, have a little bit of help or, like, have somebody be like, hey, how you doing? Okay.

00:31:48:00 – 00:32:01:46
Stefanie Stershic
Right. Yeah. I have to say, I do appreciate that. Like, your parents, your godparents, like, they’re they’re like, you’re doing a good job. You guys are doing a good job. Don’t worry. And it’s just it’s like we know because.

00:32:01:51 – 00:32:03:35
Agent Palmer
Well, I mean, the the.

00:32:03:40 – 00:32:04:40
Stefanie Stershic
The measuring stick.

00:32:04:40 – 00:32:11:28
Agent Palmer
Is a is is the child still alive? Yeah. Right. Like that. Yeah. It’s a it’s a very basic measuring stick fed.

00:32:11:28 – 00:32:13:30
Stefanie Stershic
Is he healthy. You know all that stuff.

00:32:13:39 – 00:32:18:31
Agent Palmer
You know once we get into school age and like education and stuff that’s a different thing. But like for now.

00:32:18:31 – 00:32:22:00
Stefanie Stershic
Like it’s still but it’s still nice to like, hear that you’re doing a good job.

00:32:22:05 – 00:32:31:02
Agent Palmer
Yeah. Because I don’t know that, like, like if we were more isolated, like if we lived hours and hours or a plane ride away from everybody.

00:32:31:02 – 00:32:32:19
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah.

00:32:32:23 – 00:32:40:09
Agent Palmer
We wouldn’t get that kind of reinforcement. And I don’t know how people do it. I don’t need that reinforcement. But it’s again, it’s nice to.

00:32:40:09 – 00:32:41:14
Stefanie Stershic
Hear to hear. Yeah.

00:32:41:14 – 00:32:53:20
Agent Palmer
And we’ve I mean, within the first two weeks I made sure my parents came twice additionally to check on us. Yeah, I was less worried about the child.

00:32:53:22 – 00:32:53:38
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah.

00:32:53:51 – 00:33:05:06
Agent Palmer
I was much more worried about, like, am I going to be talking about, like, am I going to be making nonsense? Am I going to be sleepwalking? Like, I didn’t know because lack of sleep does.

00:33:05:11 – 00:33:21:18
Stefanie Stershic
A lot of things. And and I think we were still much, much better than that. I think we could have been because he was giving us like two hour chunks of sleep. So it was kind of one of those things where, like, we were still getting by, like we were getting about 5 or 6 hours of.

00:33:21:18 – 00:33:22:48
Agent Palmer
Sleep, and that’s still what we’re.

00:33:22:48 – 00:33:29:51
Stefanie Stershic
Getting. Yeah, but that’s still a significant amount. Like there are cases like that. People have said like, oh, like we’ve yeah.

00:33:29:51 – 00:33:30:55
Agent Palmer
We’ve talked about 1 to.

00:33:30:55 – 00:33:31:42
Stefanie Stershic
2 hours and.

00:33:31:55 – 00:33:36:17
Agent Palmer
We’ve talked to people that genuinely had colicky babies. Yeah. And so that they weren’t.

00:33:36:18 – 00:33:36:49
Stefanie Stershic
Getting any.

00:33:36:51 – 00:33:40:10
Agent Palmer
Stats. How we know not we don’t ever colicky like.

00:33:40:20 – 00:33:59:02
Stefanie Stershic
He’s, he’s, he’s he’s basically he’s a good baby. Like we were lucky because it could be so much worse and we could be getting so much less sleep. It would be nice to get a little bit more sleep, but we know we’ll get there. And we keep being told, like, you’ll get there. It’ll get better. As he gets older, he’ll sleep longer and longer and you’ll get more and more sleep.

00:33:59:02 – 00:34:02:10
Stefanie Stershic
And you won’t feel like zombies some days.

00:34:02:14 – 00:34:02:50
Agent Palmer
Most days.

00:34:02:52 – 00:34:23:56
Stefanie Stershic
Most days. But, yeah, I think that. Yeah, but other than that, like, nothing’s really been that that surprising. Everything’s just been kind of as a, as a result of certain things that you have to do, like, you have to learn to, to change diapers. You have to know that you’re going to be doing a lot of laundry because they spit up on everything.

00:34:23:56 – 00:34:35:34
Stefanie Stershic
So you got to make sure you have a ton of spit cloths handy and then wash those, and then you could go through two or 3 or 4 outfit changes in a day, because you’ll either be in one or spit up on one.

00:34:35:34 – 00:34:39:23
Agent Palmer
You don’t get attached to it. You look good. Take a picture now.

00:34:39:28 – 00:34:49:09
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah, there there were several Orioles, onesies that he has where we wanted to make sure we got pictures of all of them to send to people, and there was one day where we couldn’t get a picture of one because four.

00:34:49:12 – 00:34:50:33
Agent Palmer
Of what we went through, all four of them.

00:34:50:33 – 00:35:13:07
Stefanie Stershic
He didn’t have the one on for very long for us to get a photo of it before we had to change him out of it. There was one time that he was in a in a legless onesie, that he pooped so well, so much that mom had to change her pants. Yeah. Because he’d been sitting on me and, it got out of his diaper and onto me, but, yeah.

00:35:13:07 – 00:35:36:49
Stefanie Stershic
So our laundry has to get done a lot more because of getting spit up on and pooped on. But that’s all a part of of having a baby like you. You’re constantly doing laundry, cleaning up after them, washing bottles, letting bottles dry, making bottles. Buying, buying formula. Got formula. And diapers are so expensive. So expensive.

00:35:36:49 – 00:35:37:51
Agent Palmer
Yeah, I know, you know.

00:35:38:01 – 00:35:41:20
Stefanie Stershic
It was surprising also how quickly he went from newborn diapers to ones.

00:35:41:25 – 00:35:59:09
Agent Palmer
Well, and it’s funny because, there are not to get political, but there are people saying like, oh, people aren’t having enough babies. Yeah, well, you’re there’s no incentive. Like genuinely. Yeah. Unless you’re one of those people. It’s like, I want to have ten kids. Like there’s no incentive. No, everything is is.

00:35:59:11 – 00:35:59:49
Stefanie Stershic
Expensive.

00:35:59:51 – 00:36:06:30
Agent Palmer
So prohibitive. So to have it. And we were prepared. Yeah. We’re we’re we’re not rich, but.

00:36:06:35 – 00:36:21:32
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah, we’re but we we. Okay. Money set aside and and we knew that, even though I get paid slightly for this, I get, a slight pay for short term disability for a certain number of, of weeks. That.

00:36:21:43 – 00:36:29:49
Agent Palmer
Yeah. Health care wants to like health care. The practitioners, the nurses, the doctors. Wonderful.

00:36:29:51 – 00:36:30:41
Stefanie Stershic
Yes.

00:36:30:46 – 00:36:35:57
Agent Palmer
Health care, the industry, insurance and payment. The worst.

00:36:35:57 – 00:36:59:56
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah. I am lucky that. And I say this. I am lucky that I am given by my job. 12 weeks of what’s now called bonding leave. They stop calling on maternity leave. Which makes sense, because the bonding leave can be either parent, and it can. It’s not just the birth of a child. You could use it for adopting as well.

00:36:59:56 – 00:37:10:24
Stefanie Stershic
So it’s it’s called bonding leave. I get 12 weeks depending on whether it’s a vaginal delivery or a C-section. Changes how much you get paid for. You know.

00:37:10:29 – 00:37:13:57
Agent Palmer
Natural gives you a lot less. I time.

00:37:13:59 – 00:37:31:20
Stefanie Stershic
I get less paid time off, than I would for a C-section. So there there’s actually, I think one week that I’m not getting paid at all during the 12 weeks because I decided to only use three weeks of my vacation instead of all full days.

00:37:31:26 – 00:37:33:16
Agent Palmer
We want to do anything as a family or I.

00:37:33:16 – 00:37:47:30
Stefanie Stershic
Needed for appointments and things later on for for him. So I had to put in at least three weeks of my vacation. So one week of my vacation had to be used for the first week of the whole thing, because you need a week of like a period where you do.

00:37:47:30 – 00:37:48:18
Agent Palmer
It is.

00:37:48:18 – 00:37:49:19
Stefanie Stershic
Time to kick in.

00:37:49:21 – 00:37:52:43
Agent Palmer
It is not like something that’s easy.

00:37:52:43 – 00:37:53:50
Stefanie Stershic
No.

00:37:53:54 – 00:37:57:05
Agent Palmer
And they don’t make it as you go along.

00:37:57:05 – 00:37:57:28
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah.

00:37:57:39 – 00:38:03:35
Agent Palmer
They don’t make it any easier. So was I was basically a parent is not like you. You get used to it.

00:38:03:37 – 00:38:03:53
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah.

00:38:03:55 – 00:38:11:52
Agent Palmer
And you get into a rhythm. Yeah. It takes a while. And when you add on all those other things, it’s a lot.

00:38:11:57 – 00:38:22:32
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah. And I needed like it takes they regardless of what happens it’s about six weeks postpartum that you need to like recover.

00:38:22:34 – 00:38:23:02
Agent Palmer
Rest.

00:38:23:17 – 00:38:25:59
Stefanie Stershic
To rest and everything during that time. I’m not.

00:38:25:59 – 00:38:30:59
Agent Palmer
Yeah. As we record this you can officially pick up things that way are more.

00:38:31:05 – 00:38:35:59
Stefanie Stershic
For the baby. Yeah. Because during the six weeks you can’t lift anything but the baby.

00:38:36:01 – 00:38:36:28
Agent Palmer
Yeah, but that.

00:38:36:28 – 00:38:39:33
Stefanie Stershic
Shouldn’t do anything. That’s. That’s more than what the baby weighs.

00:38:39:33 – 00:38:46:40
Agent Palmer
And that’s good because the baby’s gaining weight. Yeah. And so you’re kind of building up to it anyway. Yeah.

00:38:46:45 – 00:39:07:11
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah, yeah. So it’s, it’s kind of of those things but yeah. So, so I basically and in addition to the short term disability that I get, I got like two weeks of paid bonding leave as part of the overall bonding leave. And then I said, like I used three weeks of vacation time to to basically supplement some, some more of that.

00:39:07:11 – 00:39:24:25
Stefanie Stershic
So with the vaginal delivery, I only go one week without getting paid. Had I had a C-section, I would have with the three weeks of vacation. Plus the two is a bonding leave been fully paid throughout the entire 12 weeks? Yep. But I’m like, yeah, well, one week not getting paid. That’s that’s fine.

00:39:24:30 – 00:39:27:48
Agent Palmer
Well, the recovery is vastly different. Yeah.

00:39:27:48 – 00:39:47:24
Stefanie Stershic
Well, so I think I despite the, the severe tear, I think I still am happy that it was vaginal and I’m now recovered and things are good. And I didn’t have a lot of pain, like, even during the hospital. After the hospital, like I had every.

00:39:47:24 – 00:39:48:44
Agent Palmer
Visit every so.

00:39:48:49 – 00:39:50:38
Stefanie Stershic
Often and stuff to the doctors.

00:39:50:38 – 00:39:51:04
Agent Palmer
Were always.

00:39:51:04 – 00:39:55:17
Stefanie Stershic
A take. Yeah. And I had cooling pads. I really didn’t need the cooling pads. Oh, yes.

00:39:55:17 – 00:39:55:51
Agent Palmer
The truth.

00:39:55:51 – 00:40:20:55
Stefanie Stershic
Like, yeah, they’re they always ask like, what was your level of pain? I’m like, I’m fine. So there was some things I had to get used to. There was a lot of swelling and discomfort and stuff, but not a ton of pain. And, even now, like, I, I’m tired and that’s it. Like, I didn’t have any, no postpartum depression, which apparently could still happen because I guess there’s a parents generation.

00:40:21:00 – 00:40:24:54
Agent Palmer
Yeah, that they were telling us in the hospital, like it can happen within an hour.

00:40:24:56 – 00:40:46:27
Stefanie Stershic
It can have an hour or two and up to like a year after birth. It’s crazy. But, yeah, I didn’t have any issues with that. I’ve been pretty happy. Just kind of. Yeah. Just really, really tired. And I think that’s that’s all. That’s all definitely normal and a little bit of frustration here and there. But that again, that’s that’s normal as well.

00:40:46:29 – 00:40:47:30
Agent Palmer
Mean, that’s lack of sleep.

00:40:47:30 – 00:40:54:02
Stefanie Stershic
And that’s more like frustration like with myself and also like with each other like sometimes you because you’re, you’re.

00:40:54:02 – 00:40:58:25
Agent Palmer
It’s that lack of communication because because you’re asleep. Yeah I told you that right. Yeah. No.

00:40:58:26 – 00:41:15:26
Stefanie Stershic
You’re like, no I didn’t say anything. And like why didn’t you say something sooner? I was like, well, I didn’t know. So it’s like all that’s normal. Like even people are like, yeah, that’s totally normal. But, yeah, no one else was. I was kind of say something else, and now I don’t remember where I was going.

00:41:15:31 – 00:41:18:24
Agent Palmer
Don’t look at me. I can’t, I can’t think for two.

00:41:18:29 – 00:41:39:19
Stefanie Stershic
Okay. Yeah. But, I know we were talking about what we thought was surprising, and I said there wasn’t anything else that was really surprising. Yeah. I mean, like, I, I absolutely adore him. He’s got an adorable face. I love when he looks at me. We now we’ve just gotten to the to the point where he’s starting to get very, very expressive, which I.

00:41:39:19 – 00:41:39:26
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah.

00:41:39:26 – 00:41:42:47
Agent Palmer
He finally smiles when he’s not sleeping. Used to like in the.

00:41:43:02 – 00:41:44:05
Stefanie Stershic
Beginning when he was sleeping.

00:41:44:05 – 00:41:47:53
Agent Palmer
Only smile when he’s sleeping. Now we get some smiles but wake also adorable.

00:41:47:55 – 00:42:09:52
Stefanie Stershic
But also it’s like, what could he possibly be dreaming about? That he’s smiling while he’s asleep. And we’ll never know. Because he can’t talk right now. But yeah. So now he’s he’s starting to smile when he’s asleep or awake, not just asleep. He’s making all sorts of faces when we take photos. He’s got this little smirk.

00:42:09:57 – 00:42:15:39
Stefanie Stershic
We got a photo of him, flipping off mom, because why not?

00:42:15:44 – 00:42:29:50
Agent Palmer
Yeah, apparently that’s, I mean, with, especially with camera phones. All of the parents I’ve sent that to that are like, have children in the camera phone era. Yeah. Everybody’s got a flipping off.

00:42:29:51 – 00:42:30:32
Stefanie Stershic
Flipping off because it.

00:42:30:32 – 00:42:31:35
Agent Palmer
Just it just happens.

00:42:31:37 – 00:42:35:01
Stefanie Stershic
Happens. Especially if you’re taking a succession of photos, which we are or mean.

00:42:35:02 – 00:42:38:42
Agent Palmer
If you just. Yeah. But as opposed to like if you needed a camera like, yeah.

00:42:38:55 – 00:42:39:07
Stefanie Stershic
For.

00:42:39:08 – 00:42:42:34
Agent Palmer
Our parents that’s probably a lot more rare.

00:42:42:38 – 00:42:45:09
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah. Because they’re constantly moving. So speaking.

00:42:45:09 – 00:42:45:15
Agent Palmer
Of.

00:42:45:15 – 00:42:46:27
Stefanie Stershic
Photos.

00:42:46:32 – 00:42:53:26
Agent Palmer
People think he looks like me. People think he looks like you. Yeah. You and I do not look similar.

00:42:53:26 – 00:42:54:58
Stefanie Stershic
No.

00:42:55:03 – 00:42:56:58
Agent Palmer
So I don’t know what people are thinking.

00:42:57:07 – 00:43:05:20
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah. But they they both say both of it right now we very, we’re very alike as we think he looks like him. He looks like him. He looks like.

00:43:05:20 – 00:43:05:43
Agent Palmer
Himself.

00:43:05:43 – 00:43:18:28
Stefanie Stershic
And we won’t know until he gets older what sort of attributes he has, because he’s still growing. Like I it’s it’s it’s one of those things where one person will say like, oh, he has your ears, he’s got my ears. Which I could guess I can see.

00:43:18:29 – 00:43:19:00
Agent Palmer
Now.

00:43:19:00 – 00:43:30:23
Stefanie Stershic
For now. But it’s like the same thing with like the nose and everything. The forehead is like everything is going to change with him. We just know that he’s. He’s got my dark hair.

00:43:30:28 – 00:43:31:11
Agent Palmer
And your eyes.

00:43:31:11 – 00:43:45:08
Stefanie Stershic
And my dark eyes. Yeah. He may not have the exact same dark brown eyes that I have, because I think they’re slightly lighter than mine. We think at least the doctor also thought that these got maybe a little bit more of a hazel, eye color going on. So he does have a lighter brown, but that could change.

00:43:45:08 – 00:43:55:59
Stefanie Stershic
They say that eye color could change up until six months. So we we don’t know. But he’s just he’s adorable, like, I love.

00:43:56:04 – 00:43:59:51
Agent Palmer
And that’s that’s kind of like the reward for now. Yeah.

00:43:59:56 – 00:44:15:26
Stefanie Stershic
It is. It’s like we created this adorable little human, and he’s ours. And, and we love him, and we hope he loves us. We hope that he appreciates all of the the lack of sleep and everything that we’re going really depends.

00:44:15:26 – 00:44:23:06
Agent Palmer
I mean, that’s the thing, like, you and I both have pretty good relationships with our parents. So like, you know, hopefully pass that along.

00:44:23:20 – 00:44:25:00
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah.

00:44:25:05 – 00:44:28:46
Agent Palmer
As he snores into the microphone.

00:44:28:51 – 00:44:30:36
Agent Palmer
Maybe. Maybe not.

00:44:30:41 – 00:44:33:21
Stefanie Stershic
You’ve looked at him now. So now he’s no longer snoring.

00:44:33:26 – 00:44:39:15
Agent Palmer
Yeah of course. Well I think we did good. I think we continue to do good.

00:44:39:28 – 00:44:41:09
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah. We and.

00:44:41:14 – 00:45:05:24
Agent Palmer
I guess, you know, obviously for those who, listened along to the podcast on a regular basis, I’m sure it’ll come up. So we’ll see how things progress, but I’m sure you’ll be back on for other reasons, but we’ll probably have, Well, they say the terrible twos, so, like, we’ll figure out how we do.

00:45:05:29 – 00:45:08:35
Agent Palmer
Maybe we’ll, you know, a couple of years, you know. So yeah.

00:45:08:40 – 00:45:13:24
Stefanie Stershic
I think definitely once he starts talking, I think we’ll, we’ll we’ll see.

00:45:13:29 – 00:45:13:54
Agent Palmer
Yeah.

00:45:13:54 – 00:45:20:10
Stefanie Stershic
Well we have, we’ll, we’ll have our own Kids Say the Darndest Things episode.

00:45:20:15 – 00:45:26:35
Agent Palmer
Yeah. We’ll start writing those down. Yeah. All right. Well, you did good, mom.

00:45:26:40 – 00:45:34:30
Stefanie Stershic
You did too. Did? You.

00:45:34:35 – 00:45:57:02
Agent Palmer
Not much has changed in the months since we recorded this. Other than our baby is now sleeping in their own room, sleeping through most nights, and is now on the other side of three months old. We, on the other hand, are still getting our heads around our new normal. There are some things we learned that we have passed along to other soon to be parents already that I’d like to share with you because it just didn’t come up in our conversation.

00:45:57:07 – 00:46:23:22
Agent Palmer
Most importantly, you have to take care of yourself. There is a reason that an airplane drills they tell you to put your mask on first for us, especially during the very early sleepless or inconsistent sleep nights. This was small granola bars to be consumed throughout the night. Look, if you’re not sleeping, you’re gonna need energy tracking food. Well, when we first came home, the doctor wanted us to track ins and outs.

00:46:23:22 – 00:46:43:57
Agent Palmer
Once the baby is described as healthy, you can stop. We still track what the kid eats, when and how much, because trying to remember is not something else we want to do. It may seem like overkill, but not having to remember has helped us to create a schedule that we can then adjust as needed. But back to the babies have no self-preservation skills.

00:46:43:57 – 00:47:03:05
Agent Palmer
Well they don’t. They rely on you. But remember, if you’re listening to this, you had to rely on someone for your first few years too, and you made it through. So that’s our story. That’s where we are. Maybe there will be more updates. Maybe there will be with staff or just pop up on episodes as they get recorded.

00:47:03:10 – 00:47:24:27
Agent Palmer
I’m a dad now. This is a part of my life, but I’m still a blogger, podcaster, editor, producer and where many other hats this podcast will continue, I can tell you there are some great things coming up. Thanks for listening to The Palmer Files episode 151. And now for the official business. The Palmer Files releases every two weeks on Tuesdays.

00:47:24:32 – 00:47:41:43
Agent Palmer
If you’re still listening, I encourage you to join the discussion. You can find all related ways to contact us in the show. Notes. Stefanie Stershic was a special guest executive producer for this episode. The music for this episode was provided by Henno Heitur. Email and comments can be sent to the show at The Palmer Files at gmail.com.

00:47:41:43 – 00:47:56:42
Agent Palmer
And remember, you’re home for all things. Agent Palmer is Agent palmer.com.

00:47:56:47 – 00:48:04:51
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00:48:04:56 – 00:48:12:23
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See?

00:48:12:28 – 00:48:27:20
Unknown
Me?

00:48:27:25 – 00:48:36:19
Agent Palmer
She’s all right. Steph, do you have one final question for us? Since, I’m holding the baby.

00:48:36:19 – 00:49:01:35
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah. So, I mean, we just kind of talked about it. Who does he look more like? And when will he look more like one of us? Or either of us or neither of us? I guess along those lines. Which which attribute or is there an attribute that you do hope he kind of takes after you, whether it’s physical or otherwise?

00:49:01:35 – 00:49:12:19
Agent Palmer
Oh, I have no, I, I just know that I, I fear he’s got my patience. I don’t think he has your patience. I think he’s got my peace, I think, which is. No Paige.

00:49:12:19 – 00:49:19:55
Stefanie Stershic
I think he’s got the patience of a baby. I think all babies don’t have patience. So I think it’ll be a while before we really see who’s patience he has. All right.

00:49:19:55 – 00:49:24:08
Agent Palmer
Well, if he grows out of my patience and into years, that’d be great.

00:49:24:12 – 00:49:26:15
Stefanie Stershic
I am the more patient one. Yeah, yeah.

00:49:26:20 – 00:49:33:56
Agent Palmer
I mean, you know, we both read, we both write, we’re both creative. I feel like that’s just kind of an, you know, there’s a nature versus nurture thing, but like.

00:49:33:59 – 00:49:45:21
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah, but I think he will naturally be more creative because of the fact that we are. Plus, I mean, this kid has more books for him than I think probably either of us had.

00:49:45:26 – 00:49:50:51
Agent Palmer
Well, that’s the thing. It’s a nature versus nurture thing, but within the nature from both of his parents.

00:49:50:56 – 00:49:52:09
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah.

00:49:52:14 – 00:50:18:56
Agent Palmer
There’s a lot of creativity. And within the nurture, we’re not going to beat that out of him, you know, like, you know. So we’ll encourage that. So I feel like that that’s going to happen. And obviously the tools that are going to be at his disposal. Yeah, yeah. By comparison to us. So and there’s not just because like, well kid, if you want to play an instrument you’ve got a few in the house to choose from, right.

00:50:18:56 – 00:50:44:39
Agent Palmer
Like it’s not just that, it’s not just, hey, if you want to, do, talk radio or podcasting, dad’s got microphones and mixers or if you want to do, video stuff, like, we’ve got cameras and editing software, computers, you know, like the, the amount of opportunities that even just they’re the generate that generate this generation. Yeah.

00:50:44:42 – 00:50:47:15
Agent Palmer
It’s going to have is different. But yeah.

00:50:47:15 – 00:50:47:42
Stefanie Stershic
I know it’s.

00:50:47:42 – 00:51:16:23
Agent Palmer
Going to be a different world. So I don’t know. It’s going to be I think at this point it’s it if you can get like I like to think I’m fairly adaptable. So maybe my adaptability. That’s good. I don’t know, like, that’s I think that’s just, like, boy, I hope, when I’m on my feet, you know, you know, you know, making audibles in the moment like, hope you pay attention.

00:51:16:36 – 00:51:42:10
Agent Palmer
Like, I think that’s the only thing. Like, it’s just what he sees. Yeah, but I don’t know that there’s anything else I don’t think there’s like. Yeah, I it’d be nice if, if, if this child ends up being taller than me or at least taller than you. But other than that, like, you know, we look all along from the very beginning, like, do you want a boy or a girl?

00:51:42:10 – 00:51:44:50
Stefanie Stershic
Don’t care. We didn’t care. Just health. I didn’t care, it was.

00:51:44:59 – 00:51:51:32
Agent Palmer
Only cared about. And at this point, I think it’s just it’ll continue to be like as a healthy kid like me.

00:51:51:32 – 00:51:52:17
Stefanie Stershic
And he’s healthy.

00:51:52:17 – 00:51:52:57
Agent Palmer
Happy and healthy.

00:51:52:57 – 00:51:56:58
Stefanie Stershic
That’s it. Yeah. I mean, there are certain sports I would like him to stay away from.

00:51:57:03 – 00:52:03:37
Agent Palmer
There are all of that. But there are more sports, like what’s on the list of sports. He he can.

00:52:03:37 – 00:52:22:09
Stefanie Stershic
Play. I he can play baseball. He can play soccer. He can play basketball. He there was something else as well. But now I can’t remember what it is. But, like, I don’t want him playing football. I don’t want him.

00:52:22:14 – 00:52:24:09
Agent Palmer
I think soccer’s out, too.

00:52:24:14 – 00:52:29:12
Stefanie Stershic
It depends. Like if he really, really loved soccer. Sure. That’s fine.

00:52:29:16 – 00:52:32:56
Agent Palmer
Yeah, but be a defenseman. Your mother doesn’t want you to do headers.

00:52:32:56 – 00:52:40:50
Stefanie Stershic
Lacrosse as well. Is is scary because they’re just they smack each other with those sticks like like crazy. Football’s definitely out.

00:52:40:50 – 00:52:42:20
Agent Palmer
You can run, you can run.

00:52:42:20 – 00:52:50:33
Stefanie Stershic
Running track track would be fine. There’s always going to be things that like strain the body and cause issues. But yeah. And it’s also stay.

00:52:50:33 – 00:52:52:05
Agent Palmer
Away from head trauma. That’s what your mother.

00:52:52:05 – 00:53:18:04
Stefanie Stershic
Yes. Yes. Exactly. Now there’s other ways you can get head trauma but hopefully he avoids those as well. And plus it’s like there’s not a certain thing that I want him to do. Like I as far as, like being creative, I just hope that he he wants to be and is, able to be, creative, whether that’s music, whether that’s something like, there’s not something that I’m hoping for one or the other rooting.

00:53:18:04 – 00:53:19:05
Agent Palmer
For my taste in.

00:53:19:05 – 00:53:32:38
Stefanie Stershic
Music. Hey, my taste in music is not that bad. It’s just very varied. And maybe some of it is is is dumb and stuff. But you’re allowed to like dumb music sometimes, as long as it’s entertaining. But, it just won’t be me.

00:53:32:38 – 00:53:36:05
Agent Palmer
I just hope you asked me. I my taste in music.

00:53:36:05 – 00:53:46:23
Stefanie Stershic
Okay, fine. I just hope he’s able to be, you know, creative in some some way, shape or form. And that he gets to figure out what that is for, for himself.

00:53:46:30 – 00:53:54:18
Agent Palmer
And just remember, if you ever listen back to this, your parents love each other, and they’re nuts.

00:53:54:23 – 00:53:57:54
Stefanie Stershic
Yep. But they still love you, and they always will.

00:53:58:06 – 00:53:58:46
Agent Palmer
End each other.

00:53:58:46 – 00:54:00:25
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah.

00:54:00:30 – 00:54:02:50
Agent Palmer
Yep. Well, until next time.

00:54:02:52 – 00:54:05:45
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah. Our family of two has become a family of three.

00:54:05:50 – 00:54:24:06
Agent Palmer
Yeah, well, I mean, the first episode was titled You and Me Makes three. Yeah. The second episode is going to be this one that you’re listening to now will be, probably just new parents or something. I don’t know, this might not even make it new job.

00:54:24:11 – 00:54:27:37
Stefanie Stershic
Yeah. Because you you did tell your job.

00:54:27:50 – 00:54:28:12
Agent Palmer
Yeah.

00:54:28:12 – 00:54:31:13
Stefanie Stershic
You didn’t tell the people you’re working with them. Yeah, yeah.

00:54:31:17 – 00:54:33:00
Agent Palmer
That’s true. New job. That.

00:54:33:01 – 00:54:38:49
Stefanie Stershic
You were going to get a new job. They thought you were leaving them. It’s like. No, no, no, I’m becoming a father.

00:54:38:54 – 00:54:43:10
Agent Palmer
It’s okay. You want to get the last word in,

00:54:43:14 – 00:54:45:35
Stefanie Stershic
Maybe say bye.

00:54:45:40 – 00:54:48:27
Agent Palmer
I don’t know, and he’s.

00:54:48:31 – 00:54:48:54
Stefanie Stershic
He’s out.

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