Writing is always a constant for Nettie Reynolds

Episode 181 features Nettie Reynolds, who’s here to talk about having many job titles and occupations, while always and continuing to be a writer.

We discuss what she’s done, where she intends to go, plus reading, writing, obviously, grief and much much more…

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As a hospital chaplain, I watched lives end, faiths fracture and certainties crumble. My job was holding hands in the dark by Nettie Reynolds

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00:00:00:04 – 00:00:22:54
Agent Palmer
Previously on Agent Palmer. Middle American culture clash on full display in Vietnam era friendly fire. Beware the storm. Short but mighty. And since last episode, Tony’s been preparing for his upcoming book launch this fall titled Precipice of Nowhere. This is The Palmer Files episode 181 featuring Nettie Reynolds, who’s here to talk about having many job titles and occupations while always continuing to be a writer.

00:00:22:56 – 00:00:32:26
Agent Palmer
We discuss what she’s done, where she intends to go, plus reading, writing, obviously grief, and much, much more. Are you ready? Let’s do the show.

00:00:32:31 – 00:00:44:18
Nettie Reynolds
Third grade me. When I was third grade, I started talking about wanting to be a writer. And I am a writer, and I’ve done that all my life.

00:00:44:23 – 00:00:52:04
Nettie Reynolds
You can be with people for weeks at a time, and none of them ask you, what do you do?

00:00:52:08 – 00:01:00:03
Nettie Reynolds
And people would just move away from us. And because we’re kind of introverted, it was lovely.

00:01:00:08 – 00:01:07:22
Nettie Reynolds
I’m not what I do for a living, but I am what I do for myself and others.

00:01:07:27 – 00:01:12:17
Nettie Reynolds
Reading night gives me kind of a break from myself.

00:01:12:22 – 00:01:32:47
Agent Palmer
Hello and welcome to The Palmer Files. I’m your host, Jason, also known as Agent Palmer. And on this 181st episode is Nettie Reynolds. I first encountered NetEase writing when my mom shared with me an article on grief Nettie had written. After reading that article, I reached out. It’s that simple. That article was so intriguing, I had to meet the writer behind it and meet.

00:01:32:47 – 00:01:58:19
Agent Palmer
We did. This episode is our first conversation, though probably not our last. In it, you’ll hear us discuss the many occupations and jobs and titles Nettie is held through the years, as well as the importance of her largest passion writing. Plus, don’t get put in a square. A job is just a job, not who you are. The stages of grief, reading, writing, names, personas, all that and much more is coming your way shortly.

00:01:58:19 – 00:02:17:47
Agent Palmer
But first, remember that if you want to discuss this episode as you listen or afterward, you can find all related ways to contact Nettie and myself in the show notes. There, you can connect with Nettie on LinkedIn or subscribe to her Substack. Don’t forget, you can see all of my writings and rantings on each and Palmer. And of course, email can be sent to the Palmer files at gmail.com.

00:02:17:49 – 00:02:26:24
Agent Palmer
So without further ado, let’s get into it.

00:02:26:29 – 00:02:40:02
Agent Palmer
I just want to run down this real quick. Writer. Marketer. Manager. Strategist. Chaplain, communications director, and both for profit and nonprofit.

00:02:40:07 – 00:02:47:16
Nettie Reynolds
Is that. Yeah. That’s correct. And then I’m I’m a yeah, I’m an essayist. Pushcart Prize nominee. So yeah.

00:02:47:18 – 00:03:09:36
Agent Palmer
And I, I usually talk to people about what they do for a while and then ask them the question I’m about to ask you, but I feel like it’s most important, having done that whole list with you that I go. Let’s go back. What did you want to be like? Have you covered some of the bases from like, I don’t know, 16 year old, you ten year old you.

00:03:09:39 – 00:03:30:53
Nettie Reynolds
Third grade me? Third grade me. When I was third grade, I started talking about wanting to be a writer. Okay. And I am a writer. And I have done that all my life. And I’ve had, you know, three, three, ten minute plays produced. I’ve been in the One Minute Play Festival when I was in my probably late 30s.

00:03:30:54 – 00:03:59:38
Nettie Reynolds
I wanted to grow up and be a chaplain, a hospital chaplain for when I retired out of marketing, and I actually was able to do that at 45. And I was a chaplain first about six and a half years. And then I came back to writing, and then right now I’m getting my second master’s degree, which makes me a masters of another thing, whatever, in fine arts.

00:03:59:38 – 00:04:17:10
Nettie Reynolds
And I’m doing that in creative nonfiction. So my hope now is I’m 61. My hope is that once I finish this, and if I continue publishing as I have, I will be an adjunct professor and I’ll be a little old lady professor in my 80s of writing.

00:04:17:13 – 00:04:25:17
Agent Palmer
Okay. Okay. And would teacher actually be something new to to add to that list or have you done that?

00:04:25:21 – 00:04:55:35
Nettie Reynolds
Would professor would definitely be. I have been a teacher not in a formalized like, you know, school ISD setting, but I have taught writing courses. Okay. Like, you know, online and stuff. But I wouldn’t highlight that because I think, you know, that was before I’m getting a true curriculum MFA. And so that is, is really, really a proper thing to do for me to be able to teach on a, an, a professor level.

00:04:55:37 – 00:05:20:04
Agent Palmer
So what was it? And I guess to a certain point still, is it about writing that keeps you going? Because I will tell you, I was a writer reader way back when in, in, you know, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth grade. Actually, I was more on a math track. And then I ran into a, an English teacher that made me the writer reader.

00:05:20:04 – 00:05:38:39
Agent Palmer
And then it kind of went away a little bit and then it came back. So at least for me, it is not always I’ve not always been a writer and I’ve not always been a reader. And I find that those things go together. But for you, I mean, obviously you went back to third grade and said I wanted to be a writer, so, yeah.

00:05:38:42 – 00:05:41:27
Agent Palmer
Has it maintained? Has it been the whole time?

00:05:41:32 – 00:06:05:28
Nettie Reynolds
Yes. And it hasn’t been so much that I got my undergrad at Goddard College and I wrote it’s an unpublished novel, which I’m actually working on again now called The Sunflower Dress. But I’ve always been a writer. Okay. You know, I wrote one time I used to write to really famous authors, and one time I wrote a really hilarious letter to Roy Blount Jr.

00:06:05:28 – 00:06:26:27
Nettie Reynolds
And I asked him to marry me on David Letterman, or at least have a beer with me in this place in Austin, or read something funny that I’ve written. And of course, my letter was really funny, and he wrote back and said he had so many people that wanted him to read funny things, and he he was married, which of course he was.

00:06:26:29 – 00:06:47:11
Nettie Reynolds
So he couldn’t have a bear with me in Austin. But he told me that by the sound of my letter he could tell I was a writer, and that he had written to E.B. white and asked him to read something funny. And E.B. white did not read it for Roy, but he did tell him, if you can’t, but not right, you’re a writer.

00:06:47:11 – 00:06:56:44
Nettie Reynolds
So I’m a Kant, but not right. That’s how it makes sense of everything. Okay, everything story and writing is how I live my life.

00:06:56:58 – 00:07:00:17
Agent Palmer
Okay. And do you do you write every day?

00:07:00:20 – 00:07:26:06
Nettie Reynolds
No, I don’t write every day. But I write in my head every day. And a lot of my work now is in my head. And by the time I get to where I’m going to, you know, create a full essay or those kind of things, I already have it really close in my head. I also will when I write plays, I hear a character say something, and then I start listening to their story and write down what they are thinking about or talking about.

00:07:26:09 – 00:07:50:31
Nettie Reynolds
I don’t. It’s not channeling or something. It’s still coming from my creative, you know, tuning in to what I what I care about. But it’s still, you know, it’s there. And so sometimes when I do that, I’ll, I’ll be recording in my car, on my phone, at my voice app and just start recording a play back and forth, and then I’ll put it on paper and then I’ll keep working it.

00:07:50:34 – 00:08:06:54
Agent Palmer
Do you have a prefer, like, you know, not to pigeonhole you, but do you have a preferred medium? I mean, you’ve you’ve talked about essays and, you know, obviously playwriting is a completely different kind of a thing. So just any kind of writing or.

00:08:07:06 – 00:08:37:11
Nettie Reynolds
You know, as far as creative writing, even anything I do, I ascribe to Laurie Anderson, who’s one of my heroes, and her take on someone as soon as they want to put you in a block or a square of what you do, you need to quickly break out of that. So I write all things that I think about, and I try to, if I think they’re funny and my grown adult children think they’re funny, it means I have a bead on something good.

00:08:37:12 – 00:08:59:58
Nettie Reynolds
I used to have my mom read everything, but she passed away six years ago, and so I just follow the form that comes to me. But I will say that my goal is to really spend the rest of my life learning the creative nonfiction form and continuously getting better and better at it.

00:09:00:01 – 00:09:00:29
Agent Palmer
Okay.

00:09:00:32 – 00:09:22:19
Nettie Reynolds
And then a storyteller. So I a storyteller, I tell a lot of stories that I write. So that’s a different way of writing, because if you’re writing but the story is going to be live, that’s a whole different animal than if you’re writing and circling around things to bring the reader closer to the page with the story telling, you want to bring the reader into a whole community that’s listening to the story.

00:09:22:19 – 00:09:28:40
Nettie Reynolds
So you’re almost, you know, you’re the storyteller, but the feelings that you want people to have as a communal thing, okay.

00:09:28:42 – 00:09:37:30
Agent Palmer
And obviously public speaking is important in that kind of a role. I mean, it was that always easy or.

00:09:37:34 – 00:10:04:57
Nettie Reynolds
It’s never easy, but it’s gotten easier because I love it so much once I get on stage. But I used to take those. What is it? I think they’re beta blockers or something to be able to tell a story on stage somewhere. And then I just kind of I’m married to a punk rock harmonica player, and when we started seeing each other, he would come to my stories and he would see me just get so anxious and just really be in a bad state.

00:10:04:57 – 00:10:22:15
Nettie Reynolds
And but then I’d go on and go pretty good. And so he said, you know, you have to pick like you have to find a way to enjoy it even before you get on the stage, okay? Because you’re going to love it a lot more. And so I did I started finding ways to just be really thrilled to be there.

00:10:22:17 – 00:10:33:17
Agent Palmer
Now, do you are are you a performative storyteller? Like, are we talking you’re you’re sitting on a stool or are we pacing around with arms moving?

00:10:33:17 – 00:11:05:46
Nettie Reynolds
And it depends. I mean, I have I have done three one woman shows and I would call those performative because I was, you know, performing different parts of my life at different times. And I had costumes and things like that. But if I’m just telling a story, I usually just I don’t sit on a stool because I think you need to be standing and having good breath and and making sure the audience knows that you’re there for them to get them to, you know, all commune.

00:11:05:46 – 00:11:10:05
Nettie Reynolds
And so I just mostly stand. I don’t like walk and pace.

00:11:10:05 – 00:11:36:37
Agent Palmer
So I, I’m, I’m curious. Obviously writing is a big part of almost any job, especially the titles that I went through at the beginning. Yeah, but that does not mean that while you’re a communications director or, you know, a manager, that you are scratching your creative itch during that time, during that 9 to 5, if it’s a full time job.

00:11:36:37 – 00:11:46:58
Agent Palmer
So were you writing when you came home? Were you, you know, like was there? You know, there’s always something additional in addition to whatever’s, you know, paying the bills.

00:11:47:00 – 00:12:16:01
Nettie Reynolds
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And, you know, again, I’m very lucky because I’ve been able to now move to what I call this third act of my life with my husband. We moved to Chicago, where he was born. And I’m very lucky because I was laid off, I think, in October 2025, and I haven’t been able to find a full time content job again because AI is so impacted that sector.

00:12:16:03 – 00:12:41:07
Nettie Reynolds
However, that has given me a great opportunity to do part time gigs and to also write more. And honestly, to be able to write more is the greatest thing, right? And read more books has been the greatest gift I could have been given, you know, off of being laid off, even though I think for everyone, being laid off is is really, you know, it’s very, very difficult.

00:12:41:11 – 00:12:41:47
Agent Palmer
Yeah.

00:12:41:52 – 00:12:43:02
Nettie Reynolds
It’s very challenging.

00:12:43:04 – 00:13:06:10
Agent Palmer
The word that comes to mind is traumatic. And I, I guess I’ve been fortunate enough to only be only have been laid off twice, but there even and both times I saw it coming. So it wasn’t like that. Very much like you show up and you don’t know, but even when you see it coming, it’s still. Oh, God, what’s next?

00:13:06:22 – 00:13:29:47
Agent Palmer
Yeah. And there, I mean, and like you, I was fortunate enough to have a hobby. And look, it’s not a full time gig now, but I would I had a hobby that gave me skills that allowed me to edit podcasts for money, which is not great. Again, it’s like a happenstance thing. It’s not something I sought. It happened and I’m happy for it.

00:13:29:47 – 00:13:50:02
Agent Palmer
But whenever anybody tells me a story about getting laid off, I immediately go back to the last two and I go like, all right, well, we’ve like, I’ve, I’ve been there like, I don’t it is years now. It is almost we’re approaching a decade or like 8 or 9 years. And I can still feel like I can still feel it.

00:13:50:05 – 00:13:51:48
Nettie Reynolds
Yeah, it feels very shaming.

00:13:51:48 – 00:14:15:06
Nettie Reynolds
Even if you see it coming. Yeah. If you don’t see it coming, you’re doing a good job. You know, we’re taught in the system that we operate in under, you know, capitalism that, you know, you do get work. You show up every day. You care about your teammates. You do all the, you know, ridiculous Myers Briggs and all of those to be a better manager.

00:14:15:06 – 00:14:50:11
Nettie Reynolds
And I’m sure those are helpful to some, some people. But you do everything. And then at the end of the day, it’s still it’s just a job now. I mean, and really it impacts people. It’s so much of a younger age now. You know, what most frightens me is people who come out of college with a lot of debt and they can’t get work, or they always had a digital divide or something that was already working against them, or they’ve done everything in their middle managers and a company just says, we’re going to wipe out our whole marketing group or whatever it may be.

00:14:50:13 – 00:14:58:10
Nettie Reynolds
And they’ve got little kids and they’ve got commitments. And I think it must be very, very challenging right now. So for those folks.

00:14:58:10 – 00:15:20:38
Agent Palmer
The thing that had now granted, I had a great manager when I was working in a nonprofit tourism for, I don’t know, 8 or 9 years, and it was a change in leadership there, which is the reason that I was let go. Yeah. Which is which I which is why I saw it coming. But it was my manager for those seven years who was let go with me.

00:15:20:43 – 00:15:41:01
Agent Palmer
You know, that was my first full. That was my first professional job, non-retail non fast food job. And I, I don’t know how early on, but I want to say it was the first or second week I was working there. I stayed a little late and my boss was like we’re we’re we’re not saving lives. Yeah we’re not.

00:15:41:05 – 00:16:09:57
Agent Palmer
It’s not a hospital. Like it can wait until tomorrow. I mean, there are some deadlines that cannot wait. Of course. But that is a lesson that I took to heart for the next, you know, for as long as I was there. And after that, because my next job was only for a few months. After all of that, it really became a thing where I realized that I had broken out of the cycle, which is my job is not who I am.

00:16:09:59 – 00:16:31:12
Agent Palmer
Yeah. And it is kind of a little bit of what you’re saying, because I think there’s and I’m surrounded by people who in many ways more talented than I am that are boxed in to their job, not necessarily what they’re good at. I have a friend who’s an insurance. He’s a great writer. Those are not those are not the same things.

00:16:31:12 – 00:16:59:18
Agent Palmer
Right? I have a friend who’s doing communications work who is a great artist in the sense that he can do graphics and video and like, but that’s not what they’re doing. So to me, I think, all right, my cheat code has been achieved. Like, I, I, I had a podcast, but it’s not who I am. Yeah. And so I try to I don’t know nudge them out of their like so what do you do.

00:16:59:20 – 00:17:31:47
Agent Palmer
I’m an insurance. No that’s your job. That’s not exactly. And I have to ask like obviously I think you and I are similar in that it was that traumatic removal of the standard 9 to 5 that kind of put us in this place where we’re no longer what we do. We can we can then determine it. But, you know, along your resume, I’m sure there were times even when you were coming home and writing for yourself where if I asked you what you what are you?

00:17:31:49 – 00:17:36:13
Agent Palmer
You would have said what? Like the job you have from 9 to 5, right?

00:17:36:15 – 00:18:00:55
Nettie Reynolds
Yeah. Because I think, you know, it’s funny because one of my stepdaughters lives in Italy and you can be with people for weeks at a time, and none of them ask you, what do you do? And it really starts. You really start tuning into that, you know? And then when I was a chaplain for those six and a half years, I was a hospital chaplain and then a hospice chaplain during Covid.

00:18:00:59 – 00:18:20:53
Nettie Reynolds
You know, it was funny because my husband and I, if we, you know, met new people or did things before Covid hit together, you know, by day he was a customer support person and by night, you know, he’s a punk. He’s a punk musician. So if we went to a party and someone said, well, what do you do?

00:18:21:01 – 00:18:46:16
Nettie Reynolds
I would say I’m a chaplain. And then he would say, I play harmonica, a punk harmonica musician, and people would just move away from us. And because we’re kind of introverted, it was lovely, you know, because that’s crazy. Who wants to talk to that coupling? So that’s kind of where I learned when I was chaplain. It was a great gift because I learned I am not what I do, I am what I do.

00:18:46:28 – 00:18:56:30
Nettie Reynolds
I’m not what I do for a living, but I am what I do for myself and others that I ascribed to, you know, being of good service, doing good and doing well.

00:18:56:32 – 00:19:23:28
Agent Palmer
Yeah. And I think that is it’s probably more noble than any of the other things. And I say that as someone who, you know, having trying to continuing to try nudge my friends in, I know you need a job. I’m not telling any of them to quit. But I am saying when you meet those people, those strangers, those happenstance is at a party, at a function.

00:19:23:33 – 00:19:31:13
Agent Palmer
You know, you don’t have to say you. It’s what you do from 9 to 5. It can be what you do from 5 to 9, like whatever that is.

00:19:31:16 – 00:19:32:01
Nettie Reynolds
And I’m a real.

00:19:32:04 – 00:19:56:14
Nettie Reynolds
Believer in, you know, not to sound to new agey or anything, but speak it into existence. And so, you know, every time that you are, I would almost say, reducing yourself to whatever it is, that one third of the day, that eight hours out of the 24 hours to what you do for a living instead of who you are when you are living.

00:19:56:14 – 00:20:19:06
Nettie Reynolds
So who you are when you are living is different. And to me, that’s that’s more interesting. And that is the magic of life. And in doing that. Well, if art calls to you, if you’re a plumber on the weekends, but you love you love being a plumber, but during the week you’re in a suit and tie selling something.

00:20:19:10 – 00:20:41:19
Nettie Reynolds
Get more, do more plumbing, you know what I mean? It’s not about like, I’m going to create the great next, you know, James Michener novel or I’m going to be Octavia Butler. It’s I’m going to be in my present of what I am. You know, I’m a gift to. And so I’m going to live in the present. The present is the gift.

00:20:41:19 – 00:20:51:40
Nettie Reynolds
And I’m going to be more focused even by the things I say, to help me move forward on that and to to help myself hear it.

00:20:51:42 – 00:21:09:41
Agent Palmer
Yeah. And so obviously we’ve both come to this kind of from different places. How much did being a chaplain during your whole time, not just the Covid time, how much did that teach you about? Like what? What about.

00:21:09:41 – 00:21:33:35
Nettie Reynolds
What a great deal? Yeah, it taught me a great deal. And actually, people think it’s a real depressing job. It’s not. It has its moments. Just like life has moments. Everybody, you know, no one, no one gets out of here alive. Everyone has bad and good things happen. And and not to diminish the privilege I have as a white, college educated woman, I have much privilege.

00:21:33:35 – 00:21:58:07
Nettie Reynolds
And so I feel like with that privilege, I really need to be myself as much as I can because that’s what I can pass on. But being a chaplain just teaches you, first of all, to just be really quiet, to marvel at the tiniest of things, to learn why you laugh and that, you know, I can say in in it probably.

00:21:58:09 – 00:22:24:36
Nettie Reynolds
I’ve never I’ve not been able to count it, obviously to exact numbers, but I can’t say during my career I probably saw probably 1100, over 1100 people pass away from little, little, little babies to be on, especially my last years as a hospice chaplain. And, you know, no grown adult ever asked me, could you help me clean out my inbox?

00:22:24:36 – 00:22:48:04
Nettie Reynolds
In my work email, they always ask me, could you call my son that I haven’t talked to in ten years? Could you please reach out to my wife, my ex-wife, and I’d let her know what’s happening? Could you, you know, call my pastor or call my priest or, you know, could you just sit here with me and just let me talk about my life?

00:22:48:04 – 00:23:08:12
Nettie Reynolds
So that taught me a great deal. That taught me just a ton of things that I that I learned. Most importantly, you know, we all know we’re dying. I mean, you know, life is a mortal illness. I love Deepak Chopra definition of it, that he said on the Ron Burgundy Podcast, which was one of my favorite podcasts ever.

00:23:08:12 – 00:23:22:11
Nettie Reynolds
And Ron Burgundy asked him, you know, Will Ferrell as Ron Burgundy asked him, you know, what’s the definition of life? And he said, well, it’s it’s a sexually transmitted disease that’s fatal.

00:23:22:16 – 00:23:33:06
Agent Palmer
Yeah. I’m in. Yeah. So I have to ask you, before you were a chaplain, how good of a listener were you?

00:23:33:18 – 00:23:37:45
Nettie Reynolds
I was a pretty good listener because I love hearing people’s stories.

00:23:37:49 – 00:23:42:56
Agent Palmer
And after, like, your time as a chaplain, were you a better listener?

00:23:43:01 – 00:24:08:42
Nettie Reynolds
100%. 100%. Because active listening means you be quiet and you listen to people. And before I was a chaplain, it was I would not call it active listening. It was kind of like, you know, the programing we get, where it’s like, now I need to respond. Now, I need to do now. I need to be funnier, or now I need to say something.

00:24:08:42 – 00:24:36:38
Nettie Reynolds
That’s a factoid that no one else could possibly know to engage with this person. Well that’s boring. It’s really fun to hear other people talk. And it’s it’s so incredible to be able. I had such a great career in that, to be able to sit and, you know, I called it swimming in the River of sorrow. But I always stayed afloat because I had to for all those patients.

00:24:36:40 – 00:25:03:17
Nettie Reynolds
And while they swam, I swam with them and I watched them and I, I got to be witness to, you know, everything that they were feeling and everything that they felt about their lives. And, you know, grief isn’t a Elisabeth Kubler-Ross. You know, she didn’t design those steps of grief, the stages of grief as a linear list. So it’s very non-linear.

00:25:03:17 – 00:25:32:32
Nettie Reynolds
And so you can have people that are just stay and anchor till the end. Those patients often I would, you know, go by I had this deal with this one goodwill and also more could come by and get all these plates and they charge me like a nickel $0.25 for a bag of plates. And I’d take it to those client houses and we’d break plates or we’d sometimes I was called the cursing chaplain because I had patients that, you know, I would let them curse.

00:25:32:32 – 00:25:43:04
Nettie Reynolds
We would curse together at the terrible thing that had occurred. It’s okay to have all those feelings. And so that was joy. That was pure joy to do that work.

00:25:43:05 – 00:25:58:28
Agent Palmer
So is there a inherent when people found out you were a chaplain, was there an inherent like, okay, now, now I got to be on my bet. Like, did you see people change? Like the moment. Okay. All right.

00:25:58:28 – 00:26:19:30
Nettie Reynolds
Yeah, of course. I mean, that’s what that’s why I never even though I was held as a chaplain under. Because you have to have a church to support you. And I was lucky because I had one of my mentors, Jim Rigby, who was the pastor, is still the pastor of Saint Andrew Presbyterian Church. And you have to get a master of Divinity to be a hospital chaplain.

00:26:19:30 – 00:26:42:28
Nettie Reynolds
It doesn’t give you like a white phone to the other side that blinks when you have a question. But yeah, there is that that perception. I never got a call or got ordained. I was only community ordained because I did not want to go into a room and have my religious value impacted theirs, and I always wanted to just meet them where they were.

00:26:42:28 – 00:27:05:53
Nettie Reynolds
And so I served all faiths, no faith, wicked faith. The fastest growing faith in our country is spiritual, as they’re called espionage. But it’s spiritual but not religious. Okay, so according to the Pew Internet Religious Landscape Study, which comes out every, I think comes out every two years, that’s a that’s a fact that a chaplain nerd would know, not just normally anyone else would know.

00:27:05:58 – 00:27:41:22
Agent Palmer
I mean, so I, I don’t know where I am on my spiritual journey. I mean, I’m, I’m 100% culturally Jewish, but I didn’t marry or force my wife to convert. So technically, technically, my kids not either. Although, yeah, you know, the the grandparents will be. So it’s, you know, there’ll be some of that and I think I fall into that like spiritual but not really a part of anything.

00:27:41:22 – 00:28:08:25
Agent Palmer
And while my spirituality is based in Judaism, because that’s what I grew up with and it’s, I guess, for lack of a better word, comfortable to fall back on. It’s not like I’m I don’t belong to any, I don’t belong to anything. And I haven’t for a while. And I don’t know where I’m at because at any given time I’m either more or less spiritual and I can’t put a finger on why or what makes it you.

00:28:08:25 – 00:28:27:39
Agent Palmer
No change as an example from like, oh, okay, this time I’m, you know, for whatever that means to me at that particular moment, you know, if we were going to have a, a spiritual conversation, we’re not. But if we were right now, we could record tomorrow and it would be different in a week, in a different in a month.

00:28:27:39 – 00:29:00:13
Agent Palmer
It could be different. And I it’s it’s weird to me that this has become my norm, but I think in a weird way, it goes back to what we were talking about with jobs where it should, I believe it should change. And even when we talk about like what you want to do the other two thirds of the day, just because you want to be a writer in third grade, doesn’t mean it’s not okay to want to be something else at 16 and then come back, you know.

00:29:00:25 – 00:29:01:29
Nettie Reynolds
Exactly.

00:29:01:32 – 00:29:21:02
Agent Palmer
So we have like, obviously you were a chaplain. So there are certain, as you said, things you need to accomplish in order to attain that, you know, job. But has your spirituality been as much a journey as anything else?

00:29:21:07 – 00:29:51:02
Nettie Reynolds
Oh, absolutely. Because, you know, for me, it’s more of being of service to others in wherever they find, you know, especially in that job, wherever they find their solidity. And so it means, you know, it can mean someone would rather have you read something from the Old Testament than the New Testament, or, you know, someone who’s, you know, finds is a naturalist and they they find their spirituality in a tree.

00:29:51:02 – 00:30:23:13
Nettie Reynolds
And humanists, you know, also are really interesting folks because you serve them differently as a chaplain. And, you know, it just taught me a lot about the spectrum of what we call spirituality. And I think it’s such a tiny glimmer of whatever it is that we’re here for. And I would probably ascribe more to if I was doing an organized religion, I would probably ascribe more.

00:30:23:13 – 00:30:30:36
Nettie Reynolds
I would say I’m leaned toward more Buddhist, Buddhist, Grateful Dead and Patti Smith as my trinity.

00:30:30:38 – 00:30:31:00
Agent Palmer
Okay.

00:30:31:02 – 00:30:56:42
Nettie Reynolds
Now, I would not have been able to get into the theological seminary that I got into if I would have said that. Although I did mention The Big Lebowski and how The dude wrote a check for milk that was like, you know, whatever, $2.11 in my entrance interview. And thank heavens, the guy that was interviewing me who was a really esteemed reverend, he loved the he loved The Big Lebowski.

00:30:56:42 – 00:30:59:13
Nettie Reynolds
So he got the joke and they still let me in.

00:30:59:15 – 00:31:07:00
Agent Palmer
Nice, nice. So let me ask then I want to go back because you also said you’ve been a reader this whole time.

00:31:07:05 – 00:31:07:53
Nettie Reynolds
Yes.

00:31:07:55 – 00:31:15:55
Agent Palmer
So I have to ask, like, what are you reading? Are you reading specific things? Everything. Anything?

00:31:16:00 – 00:31:35:03
Nettie Reynolds
Well, I’m trying to read stuff that makes me laugh. And then I’m reading a lot of memoir and creative nonfiction. I will say I just started again, and I’ve read it six times now and given it to many, many people. There’s a book called The Other Schulman by Alan Zweibel, which is one of the funniest laugh out books, laugh out loud books you could ever read.

00:31:35:03 – 00:31:38:42
Nettie Reynolds
It kind of reminds me of Confederacy of Dances.

00:31:38:46 – 00:31:43:20
Agent Palmer
And which I led. I read I read that book two years ago, fire.

00:31:43:22 – 00:32:02:55
Nettie Reynolds
So if you love that book, and especially if you have that Jewish background, you would probably really enjoy this book. The other Shulman and I think it came out probably ten, ten years ago, but Alan was and I don’t I don’t know him personally, although I’m a giant fangirl, but he was Gilda Radner, his best friend, and he was early in Saturday Night Live.

00:32:02:55 – 00:32:23:56
Nettie Reynolds
And he does just a lot of good things. He helped Billy Crystal produce his things on stage, and that book really comforts me and makes me laugh because it’s the hero’s journey, but in a very kind of like, you know, you could say Ignatius Riley as a hero as well in Confederacy of Dunces. Yeah. So I love that book.

00:32:23:58 – 00:32:47:21
Nettie Reynolds
And then I’m also let’s see, I’ve got Charles and Blow fire. Shut up in my bones. I’ve got Ari, my mother, Alison Bechdel. Oh, and my favorite thing to that I’m reading because I always read, like three different books. Same time is I’m reading Nick cave’s Faith, Hope and carnage, and those are the interviews that he did with his friend Sean.

00:32:47:25 – 00:33:11:34
Nettie Reynolds
Sean. Sean Hagan I guess during Covid and after the loss of his son. So a lot of it is about grief and a lot of it of it is about being an artist, you know, being true, finding that energy to be who you are. I think the real trick, when you’re working in a 9 to 5 job, is to bring as much of yourself to it every day, because then you don’t have to cordon off each thing.

00:33:11:46 – 00:33:38:27
Agent Palmer
Okay. Yeah, yeah, I think I did a very bad job of that on because it was very much like, I don’t know, how do I so I mean, obviously Agent Palmer is a persona. It’s not, it’s if it if you overlaid it with my actual persona, it’s still a circle, but it is still a persona. And so that didn’t start till five, you know.

00:33:38:30 – 00:33:40:39
Nettie Reynolds
So is it like a Venn diagram though, where.

00:33:40:41 – 00:33:40:56
Agent Palmer
Yeah.

00:33:40:58 – 00:33:43:27
Nettie Reynolds
But it’s made up in a certain place. And your sweet spot.

00:33:43:29 – 00:34:02:43
Agent Palmer
No, they would just be a circle. It would just be a singular. If you if it was red and blue, it would just be one purple circle, like I’m not right as as Palmer, I’m not hiding anything. But it very much was I don’t know, I so if I started it all now with where I am, I don’t know that I’d need it.

00:34:02:43 – 00:34:26:58
Agent Palmer
I think I could just be Jason, but I think to to to start out as a blogger and a podcaster, it was a lot easier. It was a lot more comfortable to be myself without my name attached. For some reason, I don’t know what that was. And now and look, when I started this podcast, I’ve always said, you know, welcome to the show.

00:34:27:00 – 00:34:51:42
Agent Palmer
I’m Jason Thirsk, also known as Agent Palmer. And so from the beginning of this show, my show, I’ve always said that. But the 100 plus guest appearances on other shows that I was on that predate my first episode. I’d say 97 of them are just, hey, my guest today is Palmer. Like, I was not I was Jason, maybe twice, right.

00:34:51:44 – 00:35:05:20
Agent Palmer
And I, I make that delineation now. But then it was just like, no, I work from 9 to 5 as Jason, and then I come home at 5:00, and I don’t have to be anymore. Yeah.

00:35:05:29 – 00:35:30:37
Nettie Reynolds
So I think if that was helpful to you at that time, that was a good thing. And actually, if you wonder about it, what it tells me is you were, you know, you were considering it during that time to and it made sense. You know, my husband, I, he kind of reminded me when I first met him, he’s my second husband, keeper husband.

00:35:30:37 – 00:36:01:19
Nettie Reynolds
But he, you know, he was like Walter Mitty because he, he worked for a big hospital association. He went by his formal name, which is Jeff. And so during the day it’d be Jeff Daniels, and then at night it’d be Walter Daniels. And so, you know, even when we were first going out, I think he had to tell me that on our first date when he handed me a CD, he had to explain, you know, his name differentiation.

00:36:01:19 – 00:36:01:47
Agent Palmer
So.

00:36:01:50 – 00:36:10:05
Nettie Reynolds
But he was the same guy either way. You know, he was always the same kind of person. That same heart either way.

00:36:10:06 – 00:36:14:18
Agent Palmer
So I. My wife knew me as Palmer first.

00:36:14:20 – 00:36:15:59
Nettie Reynolds
Oh, wow.

00:36:16:03 – 00:36:36:19
Agent Palmer
And then I think there was a visit because we were a long distance relationship before she moved across the country to move in with me. And when she came here and I first had her meet my parents, I was like, all right, well, don’t forget, like my parents, I mean, they know I’m Palmer, but they know me as Jason, right?

00:36:36:21 – 00:37:00:56
Agent Palmer
Like, and then it was a thing where it was like, okay. And these people over here know me by a different, completely different nickname. And then we went up to visit my friends from college, where my nickname was Jesus, because I had the long hair, the beard, and I had just when I was a college freshman, I had just arrived from a semester abroad in Jerusalem, so like it really fit well.

00:37:00:58 – 00:37:22:23
Agent Palmer
But it was also like, okay, but we’re about to go somewhere. And you know me as Palmer, but like, these people were about to go visit that you’re going to meet for the first time. Know me as Jesus like it is. That’s what they call me. And so and then there’s the whole but but you’ll also hear people just use my last name because there are a few Jason’s in the circle.

00:37:22:23 – 00:37:54:19
Agent Palmer
So you have to be prepared for what? And it was very much a it wasn’t. Again, it’s not a persona thing, but it very much is. I need to explain to you that I will turn my head at different names depending on where we are and who we’re around. Right. And that’s just a thing. And for me, it’s normal, like I yeah, I you could line up just five different people that it would be normal for me to hear five different names from, from each of them.

00:37:54:19 – 00:38:04:28
Agent Palmer
And it’s just I know that that’s unique. I know that’s not the most people. It’s like I’m. I’m like my given name. And then maybe I have a nickname with a clip.

00:38:04:28 – 00:38:05:28
Nettie Reynolds
Of him or something.

00:38:05:30 – 00:38:25:20
Agent Palmer
Just one. And it’s like, no, we got, I got, I got a few. And I the fact that Palmer took off is always weird to me because I chose that one. Like most people don’t get a chance to choose their nickname, right? Like that’s rare. I didn’t I didn’t ask them to call me Jesus. That just happened, right?

00:38:25:22 – 00:38:36:40
Agent Palmer
And I, I had a an Orioles t shirt with Gibbons on the back and forever I was in that particular group. I wore the shirt once, but that’s.

00:38:36:40 – 00:38:40:50
Nettie Reynolds
Just my one of my son’s name, Gibby. So that’s that’s neat. Gibson.

00:38:40:50 – 00:38:58:58
Agent Palmer
Gibson. And so that was that’s just that’s there. And so when I chose Agent Palmer as the brand, but I didn’t like I never envisioned people calling me it. And so that that, that that’s how my wife knew me first is just, it’s just funny to me like, yeah.

00:38:59:13 – 00:39:26:57
Nettie Reynolds
Well, it’s all parts of you to I mean, and so, you know, whether they’re given or they’re just names that you created or that other people call you, I see it as like, you know, a form of endearment, a form of endearment to what we’re presenting at any given time, you know? And I think as long as you’re upfront about it in terms of like, you know, when your wife met you, she knew you as this and then your parents could.

00:39:26:59 – 00:39:28:49
Nettie Reynolds
I mean, that’s great. That’s great.

00:39:28:49 – 00:39:48:15
Agent Palmer
So I when I started the blog, I wanted to not write for myself. Part of it was very much that I was also writing for work. And I wanted a split. Yeah. You know, so when you looked up my name on the internet, you didn’t see whatever I wrote about comics and then whatever I was writing professionally. I care a lot less about that now.

00:39:48:15 – 00:39:52:53
Agent Palmer
But that was that was the thing. Have you always written as you?

00:39:52:55 – 00:39:54:07
Nettie Reynolds
I will?

00:39:54:12 – 00:40:17:20
Nettie Reynolds
I was just thinking about this today. You know, when I was married, I was Nettie Hartsock and my, my PR firm was called the Hartsock Agency. And actually at that time and I sold that agency when I was 45, when my first marriage dissolved. And, and that gave me the chance to go to seminary then instead of seminary when I was 60.

00:40:17:22 – 00:40:56:11
Nettie Reynolds
So I thought I’d be ahead of the game and then when I would go be a chaplain. But I did go straight for very, very famous people. And so my mom used to call me the the mom in pajamas who drops her kids off at school and then goes and and writes for the world, because at that time I was writing, I think I was writing six different Huffington Post columns for six different pretty, pretty famous people at that time who were either famous before the blogging in the web and all that really took off, or they needed to understand how to do all that.

00:40:56:11 – 00:41:27:23
Nettie Reynolds
So I would be ghostwriting tweets, and I’d take somebody book and they’d send me a galley of it, and I’d go through and highlight every single tweet they could make out of the book at the time. Or, you know, I’d write Huffington Post’s columns. And so, no, those didn’t have any name on them. But the person I was writing for, and the great thing was it gave me a form of invisibility that I really enjoyed at that time, because the things that I was writing about, the people I wrote for, I did care deeply about what they were doing.

00:41:27:23 – 00:41:38:37
Nettie Reynolds
And and you know, what efficacy I could have through my words for them. But it gave me a distance that I, that I needed at that time as a writer, because my kids were so little.

00:41:38:39 – 00:41:45:12
Agent Palmer
Was it easy to not be you? Like, did that take some practice or.

00:41:45:20 – 00:42:10:42
Nettie Reynolds
No, it was great. It was. It was really it was really fun because like I said, I’m a reader. And so it was a skill to get their voice the way that they would sound, these different men would sound if they were doing a speech, for instance, that, you know, the largest green of it, or Earth of Earth green event in San Francisco, wherever it might be.

00:42:10:42 – 00:42:16:03
Nettie Reynolds
So it was a skill, and it actually taught me a great deal about listening.

00:42:16:13 – 00:42:16:42
Agent Palmer
Okay.

00:42:16:44 – 00:42:21:08
Nettie Reynolds
And I think that served me so much more than when I was a chaplain.

00:42:21:08 – 00:42:45:59
Agent Palmer
Well, and it probably taught you a lot about tone, which means when you write a new character like you’ve, you’ve had not many people get paid for their exercising for something that they want to do long term, such as? Right, right, right. Like that’s not now I you mentioned an author that is.

00:42:46:04 – 00:43:12:19
Agent Palmer
I’m going to I’m going to preface this. There’s an author you mentioned, an author who is was always near and dear to my heart, but not in a way I wanted him to be. And so I, you know, I’m sitting in my office and to my right is the entire collection of Lean Dayton. And below that is a whole a third of all of the Clive Barker books.

00:43:12:19 – 00:43:24:02
Agent Palmer
And a behind me is the entire collection of Douglas Copeland and the. And upstairs is a mainly an almost complete collection of Chuck Klosterman.

00:43:24:06 – 00:43:24:54
Nettie Reynolds
Oh, wow.

00:43:25:08 – 00:43:46:20
Agent Palmer
The the the thing about this is I do tend to find authors that I gravitate to that I love, and I read The Source 25 years ago, and I loved it then. It was probably one of the first, like, really heavy books that I read for pleasure.

00:43:46:22 – 00:43:47:31
Nettie Reynolds
Oh, wow.

00:43:47:36 – 00:43:54:48
Agent Palmer
This past year, or within the last 12 months, I’ve read Chesapeake and fell in love with it. And I read space and I fell in.

00:43:54:48 – 00:43:55:38
Agent Palmer
Love with it.

00:43:55:43 – 00:44:05:09
Agent Palmer
And here’s the problem. I know James Michener is equal to the whatever. The biggest collection I already have is.

00:44:05:21 – 00:44:06:06
Nettie Reynolds
Wow.

00:44:06:11 – 00:44:15:20
Agent Palmer
And I know that well, I don’t have the full collection of missioner. It’s a slippery slope to go down, and I feel like I’ve already basically fallen down it.

00:44:15:30 – 00:44:16:42
Nettie Reynolds
Yeah, yeah.

00:44:16:46 – 00:44:21:15
Nettie Reynolds
Was it? And I’m trying to think, you know. Was it did he write Hawaii?

00:44:21:27 – 00:44:22:25
Agent Palmer
He wrote Hawaii.

00:44:22:27 – 00:44:23:41
Nettie Reynolds
He wrote that?

00:44:23:46 – 00:44:36:43
Agent Palmer
Yeah. I haven’t gone to y like I, you know, it’s one of those things where it’s like, I if I find an author I love, I become a completionist. It’s just kind of just happens. And I think, I think missioners the next one.

00:44:36:48 – 00:44:38:12
Nettie Reynolds
Well, he’s a great storyteller.

00:44:38:12 – 00:45:07:34
Agent Palmer
Well, that’s the thing, right? It’s just like I never realized how engaging look. And I unlike you, I do only read one book at a time. That’s just my process. But I do always tend to go alternate as much as I can. Fiction and non just to kind of have a reset. But I always, you know, the having read the source and that was my only missioner, I went, all right that’s fine.

00:45:07:39 – 00:45:19:55
Agent Palmer
But if I wanted to read about history I would just read nonfiction. Right. Like that. That was my take. And then I and then I was like, all right, well, I’ll finally read Chesapeake because it was been on my shelf for forever.

00:45:19:57 – 00:45:20:45
Nettie Reynolds
Oh, yeah.

00:45:20:47 – 00:45:48:22
Agent Palmer
And I just went, all right. No, I like, I, I get it. And then I read space and I went, okay, now, okay. Now I’m like, I’m done. Like, I, I, I, I’m under the spell. Let’s just keep reading them. Not all the time, you know, spread them out. But it is very much like a, there is an amount of things he can get away with because it’s historical fiction and not and especially because it’s not nonfiction.

00:45:48:24 – 00:45:59:19
Agent Palmer
Exactly where he can leave in stuff. Yeah. And it but he but you know, he’s got that light touch where it doesn’t feel heavy handed and it’s just yeah, I.

00:45:59:33 – 00:46:00:33
Nettie Reynolds
It’s really neat.

00:46:00:33 – 00:46:25:41
Nettie Reynolds
It really draws you in. I mean, his writing for me, you know, when I was very young, it was very important to me because it was historic in nature. He brought people to life, and I wanted to always write things that would bring people to life, you know, and really make you understand the impact of different things in history.

00:46:25:41 – 00:46:52:56
Nettie Reynolds
And, you know, I guess that’s what I really like. His stuff. I really love Miracle Me to all of his stuff. You know, Norwegian Wood, I love that book so much. And, you know, I just like people that are writers. I love George Saunders, you know, Lincoln in the Bardo. I mean, my goodness, what a great illustration of sorrowful, sorrowful grief.

00:46:52:56 – 00:47:26:02
Nettie Reynolds
And and, you know, that limited space between death and life. And then what? You leave, the people you leave behind, you know, that book is just such a such a great example of that. And my favorite book that I reread, and I’ve actually handwritten out on yellow legal pads at least three times, is dandelion wine. And then I’ve also on a yellow legal pad, written out several as I Lay Dying and A Razor’s Edge by Somerset Maugham.

00:47:26:02 – 00:47:38:42
Agent Palmer
So I am aware of this because I, I, there was a Twitch streamer I was watching whose wife was writing out the Lord of the rings.

00:47:38:51 – 00:47:39:37
Nettie Reynolds
Oh, well.

00:47:39:39 – 00:48:00:11
Agent Palmer
And I, I get like, I kind of get it, but I’ve never like, you’re this is my. You’re my first opportunity to ask. Like, obviously it gives you a different perspective on the book, but like what what why like what what. Obviously like go back to before. Like what was the first one.

00:48:00:11 – 00:48:22:41
Nettie Reynolds
And first one I did was in high school and it was great. Bradbury. And it was Dandelion Wine. And I had already read the book. And then my mom, who was a single mom of four girls, she was going to school at night because she had changed her career at 45 to go back and be a school teacher and teach, just be a dyslexia teacher.

00:48:22:41 – 00:48:57:10
Nettie Reynolds
So she had to go and get her masters to do that. So she would work all day and then go to school at night. And it was in Dallas at SMU, Ray Bradbury came to speak and she saved up money to get her and I two tickets. And we sat on the front row and he sat in a very regal red velvet chair, and he talked about his writing, everything he did, and he mentioned that he used to write like he’d see a story or a comic or something, and he’d write it down as a young man, like right at hand, long handwriting.

00:48:57:10 – 00:49:17:07
Nettie Reynolds
So I was like, well, I love his book. I’m going to do that. And then it just it also helped me get past writer’s block and this idea that, you know, your block, because all I know is I’m going to sit down and do something. I’m not going to leave until I do something. So for me, that was part of it.

00:49:17:07 – 00:49:39:34
Nettie Reynolds
And then as I got older and still do it, it’s very meditative. And it also reminds me of the joy of the word on paper. It also can is very calming muscle memory, you know, because we’re all on screens, we’re all on computers all the time. It reminds you, you can handwrite things. We’re losing the ability to be, to handwrite things.

00:49:39:34 – 00:49:47:46
Nettie Reynolds
And so I, I love it for Faulkner, as I lay dying. I sound like such a nerd on this podcast. I’m sorry.

00:49:47:48 – 00:49:48:03
Agent Palmer
No.

00:49:48:03 – 00:49:49:03
Agent Palmer
Sorry.

00:49:49:07 – 00:50:06:42
Nettie Reynolds
But you know, it. It helped me see, like, his language, the way he could do things in that book and capture those folks. Unbelievable. When you write those words out that they’re saying, it’s unbelievable.

00:50:06:42 – 00:50:12:06
Agent Palmer
So when you with your own process, do you start handwritten is that.

00:50:12:08 – 00:50:12:49
Nettie Reynolds
I write.

00:50:12:49 – 00:50:40:11
Nettie Reynolds
A lot in little notebooks. I carry little notebooks with me. And and again, because my husband is a, you know, by night, a musician, a lot of times when I go out and either he’s playing or another band that we’re seeing is playing, all of these ideas will come to me almost fully formed, and I’ll just start writing them in my little notebook, like little stand up notes to remember, like, here’s the start, here’s the middle.

00:50:40:14 – 00:51:02:27
Nettie Reynolds
Oh no, start in the middle and then have the ending, you know, just. And so I guess I’ve just kept it up in that fashion. My kids always give me notebooks for Christmas, and it’s because they’re, you know, they know they’ve been in the car with me since they were little, little, little. Mommy needs a notebook. Mommy needs a piece of paper.

00:51:02:29 – 00:51:16:40
Nettie Reynolds
Write this down for mommy. I have things that my kids wrote in crayon for me that turned into stories, you know? And now and then it then it became more, okay, open my notepad on my phone and just write down the four words I’m saying to you right now. So I have lots of those.

00:51:16:43 – 00:51:35:39
Agent Palmer
Okay. Yeah. Because I, I’m the I Steph went back to work and I’m, I’m, I’m the primary caregiver during the day. So yeah we’ve made a very concerted effort not to be on this on the screen. Oh yeah.

00:51:35:44 – 00:51:36:03
Nettie Reynolds
Yeah.

00:51:36:18 – 00:51:56:40
Agent Palmer
And you know, I don’t mind the TV. I don’t think the TV’s as big of a problem as the phone is, but I still try and limit the TV as much as possible. Yeah, but it does mean that if I, if I want to. Right, I do it with a pen and paper, which I did. I never completely gave up on that.

00:51:56:40 – 00:52:14:32
Agent Palmer
But now that I’m, you know, let’s say, you know, I get a break for lunch in which I either do work or my own work or whatever. But from the time staff goes to work until lunch, if I want to write anything, it’s with a pen and paper, because I don’t want to stare at my phone. And I know that.

00:52:14:37 – 00:52:34:53
Agent Palmer
I know that people will say like, oh, well, it’s not quite the same as scrolling, but when a kid looks at you staring at your phone, they don’t know that you’re writing something original versus just scrolling or messaging or whatever. So I am writing, and now I’m writing while standing up because.

00:52:34:55 – 00:52:35:29
Nettie Reynolds
Yeah.

00:52:35:33 – 00:52:55:59
Agent Palmer
As the kid gets taller and the hands get grabby, or it’s like, no, I’m trying to write like, you can’t play with this. Like, you know, as long as you don’t eat it. Like you can play with the notepad when I’m done. But let me finish this thought and I ignoring the blog, because when I write and I want this, this will lead me to a question for you.

00:52:55:59 – 00:53:02:44
Agent Palmer
But when I write for the blog specifically, it’s I write ahead. I publish once a week.

00:53:02:44 – 00:53:03:24
Nettie Reynolds
So oh yeah.

00:53:03:27 – 00:53:07:22
Agent Palmer
I don’t have to worry about like if I’m not inspired, I don’t write.

00:53:07:31 – 00:53:08:22
Speaker 5

00:53:08:27 – 00:53:20:28
Agent Palmer
And so for that, if I’m inspired and I have something in my head, I’ll grab a notebook and I’ll write. I probably write a little bit more regularly for the intro and the outro of this podcast, where it’s like, oh, oh.

00:53:20:31 – 00:53:21:07
Agent Palmer
Like.

00:53:21:11 – 00:53:28:59
Agent Palmer
It’s every two weeks. So it’s like, all right, well, we got another, we got another intro, like you got to come and and the outros are a little bit harder because it’s like, all right, well what.

00:53:28:59 – 00:53:30:08
Agent Palmer
Are you going to say.

00:53:30:13 – 00:53:56:02
Agent Palmer
And those are the ones where. All right okay. It’s it’s time. Like you have to go. And it’s interesting because while it’s the same process for writing, my blogs are very much when the inspiration hits me and then all of a sudden I’m done. Oh that’s wonderful. The post is good. Yeah, but for the for the podcast, it’s very much a I can’t wait for the like.

00:53:56:02 – 00:54:06:14
Agent Palmer
No, I got to record this tonight so it can go out tomorrow or whatever. Yeah. So I am forced to go through whether it’s cold or hot right.

00:54:06:16 – 00:54:07:25
Nettie Reynolds
Yeah. Yeah.

00:54:07:28 – 00:54:15:27
Agent Palmer
Do you find that like are you a strike while the irons hot kind of writer. Are you a it doesn’t matter. I’m going to write.

00:54:15:27 – 00:54:15:42
Nettie Reynolds
When.

00:54:15:51 – 00:54:24:12
Nettie Reynolds
It doesn’t matter. I’m really going to write. I mean, I’m kind of always a writer, you know? And even when I was a chaplain, I was a writer because.

00:54:24:17 – 00:54:25:08
Nettie Reynolds
I.

00:54:25:12 – 00:54:58:30
Nettie Reynolds
You know, I had to chart patient stories, you know? And of course, you’re trying to chart the most clinical thing that is required of you to make sure that the people on your clinical team understand what is going on. But then also, as the, you know, chaplain, there are things specific to your work that, you know, matter. Like if the patient, you know, like you just I’m not talking about specific patient, but I had so many like this.

00:54:58:30 – 00:55:27:25
Nettie Reynolds
But if the patient is longing for something that you can help create with the clinical team trying to get a hold of a son that hasn’t been in contact with or, you know, a lot of times I had patients. There was a great nonprofit called Swan Songs in Austin where patients would, you know, especially on hospice if they if they were real music lovers and they might want someone to come and play something for them for the day.

00:55:27:25 – 00:55:49:12
Nettie Reynolds
So that tells a story about a patient, because it means that some of their centeredness comes from hearing music. So those little things, you know, that those are really character attributes of people. And so, you know, I could say I was writing during the day and then I’m kind of always thinking about writing. I have to be I have to be conscientious.

00:55:49:12 – 00:56:07:04
Nettie Reynolds
I am really present in my life. But I do like everything comes to me in a pictures and then in sometimes just text, like sometimes in my head. I’ll see just this text, like on a whiteboard. And and I know that’s something I should, should probably write down.

00:56:07:06 – 00:56:18:58
Agent Palmer
So if you’re reading three books at a time, how many, how many, how many writing projects do you have going on at any one time or just too many to number know?

00:56:18:58 – 00:56:41:38
Nettie Reynolds
In my head I probably have a couple this last probably six months. I finally finished a one act play, which I’d never written a one act play before, so that was in my head a lot. And so I worked on that. And then I am. I do write a lot of essays and then send those out because those are really hard work.

00:56:41:38 – 00:57:02:08
Nettie Reynolds
And, so I spent a lot of time on those. But reading at night gives me kind of a break from myself because, you know, it’s boring to reread your stuff all the time or to think about your stuff all the time. So it’s a good it’s a good break. Since I’ve been in the MFA program, that is just incredible.

00:57:02:10 – 00:57:27:35
Nettie Reynolds
The program I go to, which is a low residency program out of Louisville, Kentucky, Spalding University, it has really been valuable because they they push you hard to write and create at the highest level. And so it’s really kind of kicked me into gear. And the more you write, the more you want to. Right? And the more you write about things you care about, the more things come to you.

00:57:27:35 – 00:57:38:27
Nettie Reynolds
It’s almost like, write that and then move on to the next thing.

00:57:38:32 – 00:58:02:02
Agent Palmer
What your job is is not who you are. NetEase. Experience with people at the end of their lives leaves no doubt about this statement. Many people need a life changing event, often the death of a parent or close relative to reevaluate their priorities. I still think as humans, we are resilient enough to ignore the better demons of capitalism and follow our own motivations.

00:58:02:04 – 00:58:24:15
Agent Palmer
As I said in this episode and in previous ones, I’m not suggesting anyone just get up and quit their job if they can’t afford it. But I’m always in favor of treating the corporate capitalistic careers with as much nuance and care as they treat their workers. Which is to say, I’ll talk very little follow through. So when the day is over, the day is over.

00:58:24:17 – 00:58:47:13
Agent Palmer
Clock out and treat even the most professional career like you did your retail or fast food job in high school and college. You work when you are there. It’s just a paycheck because as we’ve seen, that’s the truth. And when you clock out, spend time with those people whom you want and doing the hobbies and activities that drive you, you are not your job.

00:58:47:16 – 00:59:07:36
Agent Palmer
So what do you want to do? And who are you? Are you a writer like Nettie, a blogger and a podcaster like myself? Are you a painter or a sculptor or a musician? Are you a chef or a baker or a candlestick maker? You get the point. Your career, unless it is your passion, should not define who you are.

00:59:07:36 – 00:59:36:46
Agent Palmer
And even then you have the right to change your mind. Nettie wanted to be a writer in third grade, but this podcast has allowed me to speak with many individuals who started out wanting to be one thing, only to be something else. And that is okay. Humans are adaptable for a reason. It’s evolution. So just remember what you do is not who you are and what you want can and in all likelihood will change over time.

00:59:36:51 – 00:59:55:00
Agent Palmer
Remember, time is undefeated, so make the most of what you have. Thanks for listening to The Palmer Files episode 181. And now for the official business. The Palmer Files releases every two weeks on Tuesdays. If you’re still listening, I encourage you to join the discussion. You can find all related ways to contact Nettie or myself in the show notes.

00:59:55:02 – 01:00:16:37
Agent Palmer
There you can connect with Netty on LinkedIn or subscribe to her Substack. Following in either place will mean you’ll be alerted to whatever Nettie writes, publishes, or decides to do next. Sybil. My mom was a special guest producer for this episode. The music for this episode was provided by Hannah Hater. Email and comments can be sent to this show at The Palmer Files at gmail.com.

01:00:16:37 – 01:01:04:05
Agent Palmer
And remember your home for all things Agent Palmer is Agent Palmer.

01:01:04:10 – 01:01:06:41
Agent Palmer
All right. Do you have one final question for me?

01:01:06:54 – 01:01:07:43
Nettie Reynolds
Okay, I.

01:01:07:43 – 01:01:26:52
Nettie Reynolds
Have been wondering this and this is just an overall question about podcasting, but are you as irritated as I am that everyone calls everything a podcast? Even though many things are moving to video to technically video, which is different than podcasting.

01:01:26:54 – 01:01:30:32
Agent Palmer
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I mean, this is like a soapbox.

01:01:30:32 – 01:01:32:08
Agent Palmer
Moment on like.

01:01:32:13 – 01:02:09:06
Agent Palmer
Because here’s the thing, right? So I think it’s a cop out because there are two things at play and they’re both opposing, like forces in a way. One, and I’m going to ignore the move of Apple Podcasts and Spotify to video podcasts because this this goes back years already. And what it boils down to is this this is an audio only podcast and that makes it a podcast.

01:02:09:11 – 01:02:27:58
Agent Palmer
But the people that do video podcasts, even if it’s just two talking heads or if it’s on a set or whatever, they do not. They want to be called a podcast, but they also don’t want to be called a YouTube video.

01:02:28:00 – 01:02:28:39
Nettie Reynolds
Gotcha.

01:02:28:41 – 01:02:43:07
Agent Palmer
And so they have to be called a video podcast because, well, technically I do at the time, you know, years ago it would have been technically, you still can get this audio only on Apple or Spotify.

01:02:43:09 – 01:02:43:35
Agent Palmer
Or.

01:02:43:40 – 01:03:01:41
Agent Palmer
Pocket Cash or whatever. So I am a podcast, but you can also watch us Talking heads on YouTube. But we’re a video podcast. We’re not YouTubers and I don’t, as someone who in I there are YouTubers I watch that I enjoy.

01:03:01:56 – 01:03:02:39
Nettie Reynolds
Yeah.

01:03:02:41 – 01:03:30:44
Agent Palmer
So I don’t find the word YouTuber to be detrimental, but there are people of a certain age that go, I’m a video podcast. Well, actually, you’re just a YouTuber that sometimes releases on Spotify. It’s like, no, no. And so in in, you know, yeah, it’s probably the funny part is and I don’t listen to it anymore because I listen to the old hosts.

01:03:30:44 – 01:03:46:05
Agent Palmer
But Lipson had a podcast called The Feed where they just talked about podcasting. Now podcasting is very insular in that a lot of podcasts talk about podcasting. Yeah. Look, I co-hosted for.

01:03:46:05 – 01:03:47:24
Nettie Reynolds
A podcast.

01:03:47:27 – 01:04:26:15
Agent Palmer
It is, I mean, and I co-hosted the podcast digest with Dan Lisette for a little bit. Okay. So I know about talking podcasting with podcasting and it’s just the, the, the fact that the feed went for like 5 or 600 episodes with Elsie as my favorite host, and it was just okay. They would talk about the numbers and the this, that and the other thing, and it was mainly from what they saw as Lipson, the, the, the host, which is probably only degrees different from what you’d get at, like Buzz Sprout or any of the other hosts.

01:04:26:27 – 01:04:48:54
Agent Palmer
Right? But it all boiled down to the fact that, like this conversation about is a video podcast, a podcast I have heard them talk about to death, and it is very much a personal thing. I just think that podcasting in its original form, as on demand audio only.

01:04:48:59 – 01:04:49:33
Nettie Reynolds
Right.

01:04:49:35 – 01:04:54:06
Agent Palmer
Was so personal in your ears. Most people…

01:04:54:06 – 01:04:56:20
Nettie Reynolds
I think so too. Yeah.

01:04:56:25 – 01:04:56:46
Agent Palmer
We don’t.

01:04:56:49 – 01:04:58:56
Nettie Reynolds
We don’t. The whole different sense.

01:04:59:01 – 01:05:01:13
Agent Palmer
Yeah. It’s and I.

01:05:01:17 – 01:05:01:29
Nettie Reynolds
You’re.

01:05:01:29 – 01:05:05:36
Nettie Reynolds
Hearing in taste or one of the last things to go when you’re dying.

01:05:05:39 – 01:05:28:28
Agent Palmer
So again it’s just so all of that is to say it’s about your consumer. And I think that’s truly what it’s about. So if I were to bite the bullet one day and go, all right, I’m going to do this as a video podcast, I don’t think it would be as intimate. Not not for and I’m not talking to you and me.

01:05:28:30 – 01:05:51:55
Agent Palmer
You and me. Yeah. Because I’ve always maintained that unless there’s technical difficulties, you and I are looking at each other through the internet, and I have an in-person studio that like seven people have been in because most of my guests are spread around the country or around the world. But that’s just we’re having the conversation, the listener of which I was and am for a very long time.

01:05:52:00 – 01:06:01:07
Agent Palmer
I don’t watch podcast unless they are one of those podcasts that’s only like it’s only on YouTube and it’s nowhere else.

01:06:01:11 – 01:06:01:38
Nettie Reynolds
Yeah.

01:06:01:40 – 01:06:34:19
Agent Palmer
But if it’s if I have a choice to do audio only, that’s where I am and that’s where, and this is where the disservice is to everyone that we’re using podcast as a ubiquitous term for a conversation or a conversation around people is that when people talk about the success of podcast ads, especially host read podcast ads, that’s because if you listened to Marc Maron and he read.

01:06:34:19 – 01:06:35:09
Agent Palmer
An ad, his.

01:06:35:09 – 01:06:36:33
Nettie Reynolds
Name in my head.

01:06:36:38 – 01:06:40:19
Agent Palmer
When he read an ad, he was your friend telling you.

01:06:40:21 – 01:06:41:59
Nettie Reynolds
A thing I know. Exactly.

01:06:41:59 – 01:07:07:22
Agent Palmer
And that is. And if and Marin, I appreciate everything he did. And he was an inspiration of mine, and I understand that he probably reached the end. And I’m sad that he reached the end for one reason. He was the top audio only podcast that I could point to. There is no one else I can.

01:07:07:22 – 01:07:09:43
Agent Palmer
Point to. Everybody else.

01:07:09:48 – 01:07:16:02
Nettie Reynolds
Thinking of him. Yesterday when I thought, if I get to ask him a question, I’m going to ask about this.

01:07:16:02 – 01:07:42:27
Agent Palmer
Yeah. Because now, like I understand that the top ten is now full of their video or their video. And look, don’t let anyone fool you. If you want to start a podcast, you you absolutely can. And it doesn’t have to be video. If you want it to be video, it’s a lot more work. If you want it to be good or it’s a lot more raw.

01:07:42:32 – 01:07:52:36
Agent Palmer
Right. And I, I, I talk about this all the time. I’m good at editing audio. Most of my episodes are edited a lot, but you don’t know it because you don’t.

01:07:52:38 – 01:07:54:24
Nettie Reynolds
Hear it at it. You’re still at.

01:07:54:24 – 01:08:19:34
Agent Palmer
It and you don’t hear it. So if you don’t hear it, you don’t know there was an edit. If you see it jumping all around, or you need cover, or you need this or you need that, it’s just no I yeah, I, I don’t. And it also boils down to this is a tangentially related. I never found it offensive when people called me a blogger.

01:08:19:44 – 01:08:26:12
Agent Palmer
But I understand. Yeah, that people do throw it around as a derogatory term.

01:08:26:17 – 01:08:26:46
Nettie Reynolds
Yeah.

01:08:26:55 – 01:08:44:11
Agent Palmer
And it’s like, no, you can’t hurt me with the word. I know this is what I am. I’m a podcaster and a blogger, and yes, I like to say I’m a storyteller and a what was it? At one point somebody said, I’m a feature writer and conversationalist or something.

01:08:44:11 – 01:08:47:25
Agent Palmer
Like that. There were other ways, but truly.

01:08:47:34 – 01:08:56:18
Agent Palmer
I’m I’m a podcaster and a blogger. I like to talk and I like to write, and it’s just like I’m. But there’s no reason to be ashamed of any of that stuff.

01:08:56:20 – 01:08:58:01
Nettie Reynolds
Yeah.

01:08:58:06 – 01:09:27:23
Agent Palmer
And as we’re recording somewhere in the last week, I saw online that Lime wires, 25 years old and like that kicked off or 26 or whatever. And it’s like the peer to peer sharing kicked off from that beyond Napster. And that’s it’s just like, yeah. And there were blogs back then and there. And you know what? Considering blogging has been killed many times over the last ten years, it’s still going pretty strong for.

01:09:27:23 – 01:09:29:57
Nettie Reynolds
Something still going on. Yeah, yeah. And so.

01:09:29:59 – 01:09:36:11
Nettie Reynolds
And there’s still, you know, there’s still a real reason for it to be a form of expression.

01:09:36:11 – 01:10:06:47
Agent Palmer
And, and again, reading it’s reading. And it’s the same reason that audio podcasts will not go anywhere because there is an intimacy that only exists in this way. And if you were inspired, if, like, I was inspired by Marc Maron, it’s he’s one of many who inspired me. And all of the others were also audio only podcasts. So what am I going to create an audio only podcast, right?

01:10:06:49 – 01:10:32:34
Agent Palmer
And I enjoyed reading blogs and at one point I decided I can do that. I am going to write a blog. That’s not to say I wouldn’t dabble in video, but it would be something else. It would not be this. And it’s just all right. So if all of the people who were inspired by Maron had audio only podcasts, then the people that we inspire will probably also have audio only podcast.

01:10:32:36 – 01:10:33:55
Agent Palmer
There’s no reason.

01:10:33:56 – 01:10:35:33
Nettie Reynolds
I think that’s a great hope.

01:10:35:36 – 01:10:36:17
Agent Palmer
Yeah.

01:10:36:21 – 01:10:53:25
Nettie Reynolds
That’s great. Hope that they do because they’re going back. A lot of our people that are younger than us are getting offline completely, or they’re doing different things, you know, to be more aligned to how they really want to present themselves and not be commodified.

01:10:53:25 – 01:11:33:44
Agent Palmer
And it’s always amazed me because I am technically an elder millennial, but I’m not. I’m not. I believe I’m truly like a just a young Gen Xers is the way I feel because I, I hung out with people older than me a lot of the time, especially during those, you know, from, from like 14 through 20, I, I hung out a lot older with many people older than me, and I, I was never generationally challenged in that because I was an only child, my parents would take me to events and I could talk to people that were their age.

01:11:33:44 – 01:11:56:19
Agent Palmer
So when I was ten and they were in their 30s and 40s, I was talking to people in their 30s and 40s I see a lot, I, I probably understand a lot more of Gen X stuff than I do anything else. Boomer is a bit it’s a bit weird because while we had the same upbringing, but by the time I’m 14, technology’s vastly different.

01:11:56:26 – 01:11:56:45
Nettie Reynolds
Yeah.

01:11:56:48 – 01:12:22:17
Agent Palmer
But I only bring it up because it’s this thing about going backwards and holding on to whatever you want and whatever that’s going to be. And I talked about not wanting missioner to be a forefront of a collection, because I don’t have the shelf space right now. But the thing about it is I refuse to buy the ebooks.

01:12:22:22 – 01:12:33:02
Agent Palmer
I’ve always refused to do the book thing. I will, I will take an advanced e-book copy if an author sends me one, because I understand they’re not printed yet.

01:12:33:07 – 01:12:33:27
Nettie Reynolds
Exactly.

01:12:33:31 – 01:12:37:14
Agent Palmer
But I want to. I want to hold the book, okay? I want.

01:12:37:14 – 01:12:38:14
Agent Palmer
To hold the book.

01:12:38:19 – 01:12:49:25
Agent Palmer
I think I may want to go back to CDs. I have a small vinyl collection I don’t like. I don’t love vinyl enough to go like, oh, it’s vinyl, but I do kind of miss CDs and.

01:12:49:30 – 01:12:49:42
Nettie Reynolds
And.

01:12:49:43 – 01:12:58:37
Nettie Reynolds
They’re coming back. You know, my husband has probably 400 CDs and gosh knows how many vinyls he has. He’s also got tapes. He has VHS tapes.

01:12:58:42 – 01:13:00:25
Agent Palmer
Cassettes are coming back.

01:13:00:29 – 01:13:20:09
Nettie Reynolds
And it’s all kind of this natural thing of, you know, I think if capitalism is over nurtured the nature of those who want to operate kind of outside of that constant drone of making everything a commodity. We go back to things that are more natural.

01:13:20:21 – 01:13:22:26
Agent Palmer
And most important.

01:13:22:28 – 01:13:23:47
Nettie Reynolds
And touch that we can touch.

01:13:23:50 – 01:13:24:54
Nettie Reynolds
And pick up.

01:13:24:59 – 01:13:25:45
Nettie Reynolds
On a record.

01:13:25:50 – 01:13:26:04
Agent Palmer
I was.

01:13:26:04 – 01:13:27:25
Agent Palmer
Going to say.

01:13:27:30 – 01:13:54:50
Agent Palmer
I can sit in my office and be surrounded by, well, how many I got? One, two, three, four. I have four bookshelves. Yeah, covered in books, comics, magazines and CDs and vinyl, if for some reason. And they’re all behind me and beside me, right? If for some reason, whatever I’m working on, on the screen doesn’t work, I can turn around and see everything.

01:13:55:02 – 01:14:18:20
Agent Palmer
Some of its unread, some eventually. Like I plan on reading all the books in my house, but it’s very much like I can I can turn around and look at that. And I remember remembering that the future that we were promised in the 2000 was sterile. There was nothing in any of the it was a screen and maybe a potted plant.

01:14:18:22 – 01:14:47:57
Agent Palmer
And I look at my house and in my living room there’s a bookshelf with CDs and Blu rays and DVDs and and there’s another bookshelf with actual books on it. And I can’t imagine living in a place in that, you know, future we were promised that was white walls, black furniture, clear tables and no bookshelves and not even and even when there were bookshelves, nothing on them that.

01:14:47:59 – 01:14:48:33
Nettie Reynolds
Yeah.

01:14:48:37 – 01:14:51:18
Agent Palmer
Seems like what? Like what are.

01:14:51:18 – 01:14:52:20
Agent Palmer
You even doing?

01:14:52:23 – 01:15:17:38
Nettie Reynolds
That’s a I know it seems like it seems that there’s a, there’s a, an emptiness to that, that I think is, you know, it’s costly to your life in your, your inner life. It’s costly long term. And I think these kids and I call them kids mean my, my older son bug is 31 and my younger son Gibson is 26.

01:15:17:38 – 01:15:45:53
Nettie Reynolds
So, you know, they’re not they’re not interested in things like that now. They always grew up around books. So, you know, they were less screen kids, I think. I think you just you just need to find a balance. But I also think just everything, everything being available only when you are subscribed to another thing or it’s on an iPad or like they just Amazon just put out that they’re not supporting indie Kindles that were made before.

01:15:45:58 – 01:16:06:35
Nettie Reynolds
I think it’s 2017. I mean, I have a I have one of the first Kindles. I remember when Jeff Bezos, I was at the Book Expo at Javits Center in New York, and it’s when I was doing PR for book authors, and I remember him flying in. He came from a golf game. He introduced the the Kindle on stage, you know.

01:16:06:41 – 01:16:19:03
Nettie Reynolds
Yeah. And that was years ago. And so, you know, but then it’s no longer supported. So I’m into like my book Support me because I put them on a shelf and I can pick them up.

01:16:19:06 – 01:16:19:36
Agent Palmer
Yeah, yeah.

01:16:19:39 – 01:16:21:13
Nettie Reynolds
And when I need something.

01:16:21:13 – 01:16:30:29
Agent Palmer
Well I, I, I wrote about that particular announcement because I was like, I guess it’s time to jailbreak my Kindle because I don’t.

01:16:30:29 – 01:16:31:00
Agent Palmer
Want.

01:16:31:02 – 01:17:01:46
Agent Palmer
I’m officially done. Like, I’m not like, okay, I’ll lose some stuff. That’s fine. I kind of still need an E reader because I’m friendly with authors, and I’ll get that. I’ll need to read that. I just don’t want to sit in front of a screen. But it’s like, all right, okay. Like it’s just all right, that’s fine. But it’s also the reason that I’m more and more likely to spend $20 once a month buying DVDs than I am to, to to a streaming service that I just don’t always get to write.

01:17:01:49 – 01:17:28:16
Agent Palmer
It’s just. Yeah. No, I’m. Yeah, I’m with you. I, I think I’m happy when I hear about authors because this is when we talk about podcasting versus video podcasting. There’s also the authors that are churning out as many ebooks as possible, even the ones that aren’t using any, any, any technological help with the different discussion altogether, but the ones who are just sitting down and writing for four months, here’s an e-book and then writing for four more months.

01:17:28:16 – 01:17:32:01
Agent Palmer
And here’s an e-book. It’s like, but nobody owns any of that stuff.

01:17:32:16 – 01:17:32:59
Nettie Reynolds
I know.

01:17:33:01 – 01:17:57:40
Agent Palmer
Like, so I understand that you may have somebody who’s read all your stuff, but are they a true fan? They can’t be like, here’s my shrine to author, whatever. It’s like, no, it’s all in this one thing that could get bricked at any moment or like, you know, it’s like, no, I yeah, yeah. And I appreciate the author friends I have who are like, you know, I’m trying to get published, and even if I have a self-publish, I.

01:17:57:55 – 01:17:58:21
Nettie Reynolds
Well, it’s.

01:17:58:21 – 01:18:05:35
Nettie Reynolds
Independent publishing now, so it’s not self-published because you’re, it’s independent. It’s a little bit of authority. But still, I totally know what.

01:18:05:35 – 01:18:05:59
Nettie Reynolds
You’re saying.

01:18:06:02 – 01:18:14:47
Agent Palmer
And you want the I’ve seen the videos of the first time you get a shipment of your own book.

01:18:14:49 – 01:18:15:42
Nettie Reynolds
It’s so fun.

01:18:15:44 – 01:18:23:58
Agent Palmer
It cannot be that great to publish an e-book like, it cannot feel as good as opening a package of your own.

01:18:23:58 – 01:18:26:10
Agent Palmer
Books is.

01:18:26:15 – 01:18:26:48
Agent Palmer
Just not going.

01:18:26:48 – 01:18:27:31
Agent Palmer
To happen.

01:18:27:36 – 01:18:31:50
Nettie Reynolds
That’s I guess you could have like 30 Kindles around the.

01:18:31:50 – 01:18:33:33
Nettie Reynolds
Table all.

01:18:33:33 – 01:18:47:35
Nettie Reynolds
Up on the table display and you sitting there and they all come live with your book. Cover it once and you clap for yourself. It doesn’t seem like it’d be the same. Thing as using a box cutter and opening your.

01:18:47:35 – 01:18:48:01
Nettie Reynolds
Books.

01:18:48:01 – 01:18:49:16
Nettie Reynolds
And pulling them out.

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