Episode 33 with fellow agent Mike Laybourne (Agent Hunt), who has written about LEGO on AgentPalmer.com and is on the show to talk about our favorite plastic bricks.
When we started, how we came back to them, why we enjoy them, collect them, and more.
During the episode we cover:
- Growing up with LEGO
- Our Personal LEGO Dark Ages
- What brought us back to LEGO
- Space Shuttle (Mike)
- Saturn V (Palmer)
- The Family that LEGOs together
- LEGO Community
- Custom LEGO stands and builds
- Building vs. Playing (Different LEGO interactions)
- Head in the clouds
- LEGO video games / LEGO Movies
- Keeping hobbies as hobbies
- The building process
- The missing piece!
- And much more…
Mentioned and Helpful Links from This Episode
Mike’s Corner (Mike Laybourne’s YouTube Channel)
LEGO Star Wars Ultimate Collector Series A-Wing
LEGO Star Wars Snow Speeder – 20th Anniversary Edition
LEGO Star Wars Slave 1 – 20th Anniversary Edition
LEGO Star Wars Anakin’s Podracer – 20th Anniversary Edition
LEGO Star Wars Imperial Dropship – 20th Anniversary Edition
LEGO Star Wars Clone Scout Walker
Music created and provided by Henno Heitur of Monkey Tongue Productions.
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00:00:00:17 – 00:00:29:37
Agent Palmer
Previously on Agent Palmer dot com. Fighting for space is a compelling duality about the historic battle for female space flight. My review of London Match, which closes my reading of Deighton’s first Samson trilogy, is up. And how many of you have started reading Nophek Gloss? It’s good, isn’t it? This is The Palmer Files, episode 33 with fellow agent Mike Laybourne, who has written about Lego and Agent Palmer dot com as Agent Hunt, and is therefore the best guest to have on to talk about our favorite plastic bricks.
00:00:29:42 – 00:01:09:09
Agent Palmer
When we started, how we came back to them, why we enjoy them, collect them and much, much more. Are you ready? Let’s do the show.
00:01:09:13 – 00:01:32:17
Agent Palmer
Hello, and welcome to the Palmer Files. I’m your host, Jason Stershic, also known as Agent Palmer. And on this 33rd episode is Mike Laybourne, known as Agent Hunt on Agent palmer.com, who is also a writer and editor for the fourth line podcast.com, and of course, a Lego enthusiast and Star Wars fan. I invited Mike on this episode because I wanted to just geek out and talk about Lego.
00:01:32:22 – 00:01:54:49
Agent Palmer
I recently built the Lunar Lander, which goes nicely with my Saturn five that I built a few years back, and I still haven’t cracked the seal in the International Space Station, but it’s only a matter of time and we’ll get to more of my collection and his during the episode. But Lego is for all ages, and that’s exactly why I wanted to talk to Mike about them.
00:01:54:54 – 00:02:21:56
Agent Palmer
So what are you in for? Well, it’s two grown men from different sides of the Atlantic Ocean talking about their love for various fictional universes while discussing how much they enjoy interlocking bricks that build things from our favorite fandoms and our imaginations alike. Before we get into it, remember that if you want to discuss this episode as you listen or after, you can tweet me at Agent Palmer, the show at The Palmer Files, or Mike at Mike Laybourne.
00:02:21:56 – 00:02:44:34
Agent Palmer
That’s Mickey le y b o u r e. You can see some of his Lego build videos on his YouTube channel, which will be linked in the show notes. Plus, don’t forget you can see all of his Lego set reviews and some assorted book reviews and all of my writings and rantings on Agent palmer.com. Email can be sent to the show at the Palmer Files at gmail.com.
00:02:44:39 – 00:02:56:28
Agent Palmer
And that’s all the official business. So without further ado, let’s get to step one.
00:02:56:33 – 00:03:19:39
Agent Palmer
Mike, I’m having you on to talk about Legos because, you you outdo me in that regard. But but I want to ask, like, have you always, like, has Legos been a thing throughout your life? Or like, was it because because before I let you answer the question, like, I was big into Legos when I was a kid.
00:03:19:45 – 00:03:39:52
Agent Palmer
Then I stopped. In fact, I believe I donated all of my Legos at one point to, like, like a child care center or something. And then I think when I bought the Saturn five was when I got back into it. And now I’ve done everything I can. Not to say not not to buy more.
00:03:39:57 – 00:03:40:22
Mike Laybourne
00:03:41:37 – 00:03:44:45
Agent Palmer
Has it always been there for you?
00:03:44:50 – 00:03:54:02
Mike Laybourne
No. So I think I was a bit kind of like yourself. So as a kid I had kind of lost Lego like a just a huge tub, just of a sort of those level like Lego sets.
00:03:54:03 – 00:03:54:39
Agent Palmer
No, it was.
00:03:54:39 – 00:04:12:10
Mike Laybourne
Just, it was a box of Lego or, you know, we’d go to, like, a car boot sale and they’d be like a bag of Lego for five and you’d get bought. And then as I got kind of into my teens, I discovered the technic. So I had, like, a couple of big Technic sets that I was really into is really mechanical.
00:04:12:10 – 00:04:34:36
Mike Laybourne
So I like the T-Rex and the helicopter and stuff like that. I love those because it’s just like seeing how stuff works. You know, you get all the pistons and the police and all sorts of things like that, and and that kind of that was it. So for a good couple of years, pretty much until I kind of like, I left school, as I was playing with that technic and then it always it didn’t it wasn’t my house either.
00:04:34:36 – 00:04:51:59
Mike Laybourne
It was at my granddad’s house, I think. And then with, like, moving away. So, from one side, they could do a live on the other side they can’t do so. And then over the years, all that stuff got donated. Okay. Which when I found out I was heartbroken because, like, I love that. I love that T-Rex.
00:04:52:04 – 00:05:12:52
Mike Laybourne
You know, you could program it and everything, you know, it’s like. And when you look at the kind of the programable stuff, now there’s this amazing and this big old clunky, huge three button thing that you could use, but like back then programing Lego, which is insane. But no. So I kind of, I, I do Lego Dark ages, okay.
00:05:12:55 – 00:05:32:14
Mike Laybourne
Which is when you go into like the, the website stuff is what it’s called, before you kind of either discover or rediscover. And then when I rediscovered it, it was really through my love of Star Wars. So almost all of my Lego is Star Wars. My wife’s is Disney. Mine’s all Star Wars.
00:05:32:16 – 00:05:47:50
Agent Palmer
So, what was what was the one that did it for you? Like, for me, obviously, like the Saturn five, I was like, I have to have that. But, like, what was the what was the first? Do you remember what the first set was to, like, bring you back?
00:05:47:55 – 00:06:08:11
Mike Laybourne
First one that brought me back wasn’t a star, was one, actually. It was special. And it’s been a couple of Lego specials over the years, so it wasn’t a huge one. So I did not like the boosters or anything, but it’s just like, you know, it came with, like, when astronaut get open like the, the bay and and like a little crane and satellite and stuff.
00:06:08:16 – 00:06:29:37
Mike Laybourne
And that was kind of what brought me back into it because around that time was when Clone Wars was on TV. Okay, so the Lego Clone Wars sets were also out. And I kind of like Lego. I kind of I’d watch the Star Wars movies as a kid and then kind of moved away from them. And then I was kind of.
00:06:29:38 – 00:06:45:32
Mike Laybourne
And then like when the prequel trilogy came out, I watched them. I loved them, but I didn’t kind of get into it that much. It was only kind of when the cartoons and stuff started coming out, that I kind of got really, really back into Star Wars and really back into the Lego that comes with, so that was it was, yeah.
00:06:45:36 – 00:06:53:44
Mike Laybourne
The set that made me really love playing with Lego again was the spatial. Okay. That was kind of the feeder drug into everything else. Yeah, I.
00:06:53:49 – 00:07:19:22
Agent Palmer
I have two non, space sets in my house. I bought a marvel one, which is one of like the Iron Man, sets which was like, it’s the one with Coulson’s car, I don’t remember. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And it’s got, like, this big, like, Iron Man type, villain. And then I bought the Jurassic Park.
00:07:19:27 – 00:07:36:21
Agent Palmer
Not to Jurassic World, but the actual Jurassic Park one, where it’s like four sides and it’s like, nedry console, the the command center, the DNA room, the Raptors, and it’s got like, doctor Grant, Sattler and then the two kids, and it was.
00:07:36:21 – 00:07:37:39
Mike Laybourne
Just like, yeah.
00:07:37:43 – 00:08:08:48
Agent Palmer
That was what these were wonderful. Like little one offs. And then because I had the Saturn five is like, well, I have to get the lunar lander. When they finally came out with that years later and I was like, all right, I have to get that my I still have yet as we’re recording, I’ve yet to build the International Space Station, which a buddy of mine bought for me, and now I spend all of my waking moments trying not to buy more because, like, I like, I could.
00:08:08:48 – 00:08:11:34
Agent Palmer
I could easily buy more.
00:08:11:39 – 00:08:12:07
Mike Laybourne
00:08:12:11 – 00:08:35:40
Agent Palmer
You have a collection. Like, even if I did, like you’ve written about, I don’t know, about 7 or 8 posts for Agent palmer.com, about sets you’ve built, and I know you had more before and you’ve had others since. So, like, you are deep in man, like you’re deep in your back, right? Is that.
00:08:35:45 – 00:08:59:40
Mike Laybourne
Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, massively. It’s the hardest part of enjoying Lego and building stuff is, is the restraint. It’s about going okay, you know, cause you get what, again? I mean, my focus. I pick up the odd Marvel stuff. So, like, they got the Milano when that came out 4K guarding the galaxy. Yeah. And that’s beautiful, man.
00:08:59:45 – 00:09:03:50
Mike Laybourne
Such just such a nice house in a beautiful ship. But how how is that as well?
00:09:03:50 – 00:09:20:30
Agent Palmer
How big is it, though? Because I look, I like my issue becomes space, right. Like I, I don’t have the biggest house. And it’s just like, okay, so that’s, that’s almost the size of the lunar lander.
00:09:20:35 – 00:09:40:55
Mike Laybourne
Yeah. So I mean, this is great for an audio medium, but I’m showing you the Lego Milano, I think is the Lego on a spaceship rescue is the name of the set. And yeah, space is a huge kind of challenge. So for me enough, the biggest Lego set that we have in the house isn’t mine. It’s, my wife’s is the Disney castle.
00:09:40:59 – 00:09:45:33
Mike Laybourne
The 4500 piece. Wow. Disney castle. Okay. Yeah.
00:09:45:38 – 00:09:50:10
Agent Palmer
Now, now, do you build together especially on something that. Matt. No.
00:09:50:15 – 00:10:06:54
Mike Laybourne
No, that was all her. I really wanted to. She was like, yeah, you kind of. You want. I was like, no, I got it for you. This is yours. You can build it. She doesn’t care about Star Wars. We care about Marvel. But she’s got, like, a couple of Lego sets, but, like, the biggest on is, like, no, you can build it.
00:10:06:58 – 00:10:21:05
Mike Laybourne
I think it took about two weeks. Just doing, like, an hour. Half an hour a night. And it’s huge. I’ve got quite a lot of the brick adds, and some of the idea sets. So the, it’s the Nasser one. The women of Nasser.
00:10:21:05 – 00:10:40:22
Agent Palmer
Yep. I have the women in Nasser. That’s that’s, part of my. I guess my living room has gone space themed, right? Because, I mean, I’ve tweeted out pictures of the mantel, and I have a bookcase that’s, one of the taller bookcase, like the six foot bookcase that I’m going to put the ISIS on top of, as if it’s in orbit a little bit higher up.
00:10:40:22 – 00:11:08:18
Agent Palmer
But like, that’s it, man. Like I you have an entire bookcase behind you of of Lego. Now, I know, because you’ve tweeted it at me like you’ve gone beyond like the official Lego stuff you’ve gone into, like, there’s there’s custom stands and like, so is that something that you just kind of fall into while you’re researching the rest, or is there like a community out there?
00:11:08:18 – 00:11:10:13
Agent Palmer
I don’t know about?
00:11:10:18 – 00:11:30:36
Mike Laybourne
So I well, the custom songs, I, I can’t remember how I spot it. But the, I think I just came up on eBay so that one came up. But then when I’ve started, because I’m so we interact quite a lot on Twitter, but that’s pretty much the only thing I interact on. So kind of Facebook and stuff.
00:11:30:41 – 00:11:47:19
Mike Laybourne
But yeah, so, so I kind of stands and community and stuff. So yeah, this does make a big difference. Just because especially when it kind of show and stuff off when you’ve got like say Millennium Falcon or something, that’s quite a wide set. But then you get a stand, you can angle it, then you can get it on a, on a smaller shelf.
00:11:47:24 – 00:12:09:55
Mike Laybourne
So and on it kind of shows off as well community wise. I’ve kind of gone back on to, to Facebook. I mean, like an old miserable person never going on Facebook, and they’re all kind of some good Lego groups on there. You see, like a lot of stuff can see a lot of custom stuff. People going, right, okay, here’s a model like something that designed themselves or something that they modified.
00:12:10:00 – 00:12:23:31
Mike Laybourne
And yeah, I’m not kind of dead active in the community side of things, but it’s more kind of just I just look there and go, that’s a good idea. Especially with the res, you know? So if you seen the Lego Razor Crest.
00:12:23:42 – 00:12:53:10
Agent Palmer
Yeah, I so the, the first thing I knew about these quote unquote custom designs or these modified designs is, yeah, I think I had tweeted something about the one Lego set I still kind of want, which is the 60s Mustang. Oh, and you were like, you know, you can make a modern Mustang with that set with this, like small kit and I, I didn’t even think about it.
00:12:53:10 – 00:13:16:40
Agent Palmer
Right. Because like, if we go backwards, right. You had a tub. I had a, like, a massive box, right? Like, I might have had one set that I built when I was a kid. Otherwise we were using these blocks to build whatever we felt like, right. And yeah, since I got back in, I’ve done nothing but build sets.
00:13:16:45 – 00:13:37:04
Agent Palmer
Yeah. And yeah, like it was an adjustment, right? Like I, you would think it because it’s not like it’s Lego, but they have changed. Like when I built the Saturn five, it’s like, oh that’s how we’re going to get a curved like edge. All right okay. Rack it. Rack and pinion. Things like ball and joint like. Oh okay.
00:13:37:04 – 00:13:57:32
Agent Palmer
All right. This is new. We’re going to do some weird angles and stuff. And it’s all to kind of get tightened at the same time. And so like this is this is new to me. Like obviously for the Star Wars ones I’m sure that that’s a part of it. But like I found a bit of like there was an, a bit of an adjustment when I came back to it.
00:13:57:43 – 00:14:04:42
Agent Palmer
Did you find like something similar or is it because you had technic like it was kind of in line with that?
00:14:04:47 – 00:14:24:41
Mike Laybourne
No. I had the same kind of adjustment. So it’s my technic kind of period between that and kind of coming back into it. That was a long time of just kind of nothin. And then when I started getting back into it, I was at the stage where I was like, okay, oh, that’s a pretty good looking set.
00:14:24:41 – 00:14:43:58
Mike Laybourne
I’m going to get that and I’ll just build it perfectly and then not touch it. And where kind of my, my goals are at the moment. So of course they’ve got tubs of Lego. It’s like I’ve got a set like, so Ben’s got the, like the Elsa’s castle from frozen, this big kind of ornate castle.
00:14:44:03 – 00:15:04:21
Mike Laybourne
First you just take it apart and then just like I said, like, oh, built its out. And, you know, it’s just a perfectly rectangular tower made of just square bricks and so. Okay, cool. You know, because we all kind of went through that phase. It’s just. Okay, I’m just going to go with what I know. But then kind of when you start getting into slightly more complex stuff, it’s like nuts.
00:15:04:26 – 00:15:32:32
Mike Laybourne
I wonder how they get that angle. It’s like with the, the Milano, the the front of the wings are angled differently to the rest of it. And then kind of you take a look inside these little clips and balls of that kind of you, you tilt stuff on, it’s like, oh, it’s pretty clever. I’ve never built this on five, but I’ve watched videos of people building it, and it’s like there’s so much that goes into the way they get kind of just round shape, you know, which I’m sure you can vouch for.
00:15:32:32 – 00:15:34:20
Mike Laybourne
Well, it’s just like I. That’s insane.
00:15:34:20 – 00:15:57:25
Agent Palmer
I’ll be honest, I honestly, I really thought it was going to be like, here’s a rounded piece, like, I I’ll be honest, I really thought that’s what it was going to be like. You build a square thing and you put rounded pieces around it and it’s it’s not that at all, really, until you get to like the very tip and then you’re dealing with like rounded pieces we’ve dealt with for years.
00:15:57:30 – 00:16:20:16
Agent Palmer
I, I’m, I’m amazed at how far Lego has come because, like, again, we go back and it’s like there was city and Pirates and, and maybe some of the original space sets, which were like nothing to write home about, really. Like it was.
00:16:20:20 – 00:16:22:14
Mike Laybourne
Oh, but at the time they were amazing.
00:16:22:19 – 00:16:22:59
Agent Palmer
Well, sure.
00:16:22:59 – 00:16:40:51
Mike Laybourne
So I said I saw something. I remember some of those are like little ones and there’s got to like, like a lunar bogie and they’re all kind of black and yellow and red. And you look at it now and go, wow, it’s so basic. But at the time it was amazing because it was you imagination that, that you, you played with and that’s fantastic.
00:16:40:56 – 00:16:47:30
Mike Laybourne
So yeah, I can see the difference. Like, I know what you mean. I but compared to where it is now.
00:16:47:35 – 00:17:11:34
Agent Palmer
I will say the, the as a brand, what Lego has done with licensing in terms of. All right, we’re good at grab Disney and we’re like they have Lego has like whoever’s in charge of their licensing does an amazing job because like I now and I shouldn’t I should never have signed up for it. But I now get the like the magazine.
00:17:11:39 – 00:17:12:01
Mike Laybourne
Yeah.
00:17:12:08 – 00:17:37:46
Agent Palmer
Which is horrible because like, I’ll go through that. Well, you know, maybe one day because for me, like I say, I want the Mustang. And that’s probably the most realistic one to get. Yeah, but the one that looks the best to me is the diner from, like, the city block. Oh, yeah. Collection and but I do. But but there’s a part of me that goes.
00:17:37:51 – 00:18:00:18
Agent Palmer
But if you buy one block, you need to get the next block. And the book store looks cool. You know, Steph was like, we can get the bookstore to go next to the diner, and I. Yeah, but now where am I going to put that? Like, like it’s one thing with all of these ships, right? And and spaceships and rockets.
00:18:00:23 – 00:18:04:10
Agent Palmer
But those cities are massive.
00:18:04:15 – 00:18:20:59
Mike Laybourne
Oh yeah, they are. And I think I think that there’s one set. I think it’s like a private detective office. And it’s got like little Bob is next to it, I think, and it’s like a little pool hall. And so kind of like the mojo use kept them all together. And you just look at them and they look, they look so good.
00:18:21:04 – 00:18:35:11
Mike Laybourne
But I absolutely do know that if I do that, it was like, I can stick a spaceship on a shelf. That’s fine. You know, I tend to rotate stuff as well, so I’ll take it apart, stick in a bag way. So I’m going to get the pleasure of building it again. But if I went for a city.
00:18:35:11 – 00:19:03:36
Agent Palmer
Well, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. How much do you take it apart? Like all the way. Oh, yeah. I completely so you should. There are things on your shelf that you’ve rebuilt. Yes, I don’t I can’t like. I, I’m racking my brain like I can’t imagine taking the Saturn five apart. Despite the fact that when I built it the first time, I did screw up and did have to take part of it apart.
00:19:03:41 – 00:19:19:28
Mike Laybourne
Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, for being there. Yeah. I think for me, it’s kind of part of the joy. So we moved house almost exactly two years ago. So I get I’m trying to it was I’m looking at the one of the Millennium Falcons right now. I remember which house we were when we got that.
00:19:19:43 – 00:19:38:49
Mike Laybourne
But for all the Lego, I took it all apart. All of it completely stripped it down, you know, kept it all separate. Sure. So then I could go, okay, I was going to spend a few nights. Okay. All instructions out. So I’ve got, you know, I don’t tend to keep boxes, but I’ve got folders full of instructions.
00:19:38:54 – 00:19:44:03
Mike Laybourne
And it says as we build it, and then it’s it’s just kind of part of the fun for me.
00:19:44:12 – 00:20:08:27
Agent Palmer
What it is. There’s something like extra exciting about like, like the what’s the appeal of the second build? Like, obviously you’ve already done it once. You know what it looks like. You know, you know what the end result is? Is that like, do you challenge you’d like, do you try and see like, how much can I do without the instructions or like, is there, like a process to that second build at all?
00:20:08:32 – 00:20:25:17
Mike Laybourne
Yeah. I don’t do it without instructions because it just. There’s no way I could do that. I wish I that sort of. I mean, I wish I could look at a picture and go, yeah, that’s how that works, but I just can’t. But if you think, I don’t know how the sun Five works, but most kind of Lego sets will come in numbered box.
00:20:25:17 – 00:20:45:24
Mike Laybourne
Yeah. So if you look at every single thing in the the UK’s a wing, should want the ones I put on the website. I think that was like 14 box. So when you building one bag at a time, that’s fine. When you’ve got say like a thousand pieces that aren’t numbered, you know, you just go, okay, I do.
00:20:45:25 – 00:20:58:48
Mike Laybourne
You do them by type or doing by color. I did recently with the Millennium Falcon from The Force Awakens. So I was looking at it going, I really want to build the Ebon Hawk from Knights of the Old Republic.
00:20:58:48 – 00:20:59:33
Agent Palmer
Okay.
00:20:59:38 – 00:21:19:52
Mike Laybourne
You gotta play that. Yeah. And the. So although there’s been some nice The Old Republic Lego sets, it was never an Ebon Hawk. As long as you know what, it’s because it was a brilliant at the same as the Mending Falcon. And I’ve got a millennium Falcon workshop manual so I can sit down, kind of work out the sizes and stuff.
00:21:19:57 – 00:21:36:21
Mike Laybourne
And do you know, I’m going to take completely apart and try and build. It failed miserably. I just could not get it to work. I got like halfway there with the shape, but it was not happening. But that’s like, great. Now all I have is just this box full of pieces of Millennium Falcon, and that set is over 1000 pieces.
00:21:36:21 – 00:21:52:43
Mike Laybourne
I can’t remember exactly what the piece Khan is, but it’s over a thousand. So, like, oh, now I have to put that back together. So I’ve got the instructions. No numbered box though. So there’s a lot of gray plates, a lot of black plays. Okay, let’s just put em all in piles. My part work your way through.
00:21:52:48 – 00:22:09:54
Mike Laybourne
And it’s something. As much as you got the thought of building stuff and going, okay, I wonder why this goes away. This goes the same time. It’s almost like switching your mind off. It’s like a it’s almost like a form of meditation. So I just go, okay, let’s just do this, follow this process because you almost maybe don’t have to think about it.
00:22:09:58 – 00:22:11:25
Mike Laybourne
It’s finally really relaxing.
00:22:11:30 – 00:22:27:17
Agent Palmer
Yeah. No, I, I the age was the one thing that I found crept up on me when I was playing with Legos because I was like, I can’t sit at a table like I was sitting at a table. I’m not going to sit on a floor like I used to when I was a kid, but like, I’m like hunched over and I’m like, you know what?
00:22:27:18 – 00:22:57:06
Agent Palmer
My back’s killing me. But like, it’s like three hours later and I want to keep going because you get into that meditative state of, like, just turn the page, find the block, put it together. But, you know, yeah, it’s actually the the lunar lander was fine. Like, that was kind of like a two hour build. And it was done the the Saturn five was frustrating because I got into a rhythm, and then I messed up somewhere and I had to do stuff.
00:22:57:10 – 00:23:25:26
Agent Palmer
And there’s no like when you get into a rhythm and then you screw it up. So, no, no, no, none of this is something, something’s not right here. Right? It’s just like, oh, and I, I worry about, I think I’m going in the right direction as far as, like, the build process. Because, like, the Saturn five is solid, the lunar lander a little less solid.
00:23:25:26 – 00:23:48:19
Agent Palmer
It’s got a few more. So when I finally sit down to build the International Space Station, which is not really solid at all, I’m going to have an idea. But you you get scared. Like I had my coffee. Like, on a completely different thing, because I didn’t want to actually set it down on something and, like, break off a wing or, like a leg.
00:23:48:19 – 00:24:00:57
Agent Palmer
Yeah. So it’s like, paranoia, but. But I don’t know if I’ll ever play with them. Like, I’ve actually played, like, full disclosure, I’ve played with the. Yeah, Jurassic Park set. Yeah. And the more I’d be.
00:24:00:57 – 00:24:04:53
Mike Laybourne
Disappointed if you hadn’t, to be fair, but the it’s it’s still a toy.
00:24:04:53 – 00:24:26:32
Agent Palmer
This space. Okay. Well, the space sets I look at differently, you know, like, I don’t know, it’s I look I understand it’s still a toy. But, you know, and I think especially the first after the first, like, you know, my parents came over to see the Saturn five, and I was like, oh, I’ll take it apart for you, you know, here are the sections.
00:24:26:36 – 00:24:33:02
Agent Palmer
Yeah, but I haven’t done that for anybody. Like, I’m sure somebody asked reason. I’m not doing that. No. Like,
00:24:33:07 – 00:24:35:27
Mike Laybourne
Are you going to just do it for the sake of doing it?
00:24:35:27 – 00:24:37:53
Agent Palmer
I think I might have to like I.
00:24:37:58 – 00:24:38:52
Mike Laybourne
Yeah, you.
00:24:38:52 – 00:24:59:39
Agent Palmer
I think it’s a piece where I don’t know if it’s age or what. Like, I, I forget their toys, like, I treat, and mate. Or maybe it’s the level of detail compared to, you know, the blocks we used to play with, right. But like, I look at them like models and when I used to build plastic bottle kits, like I.
00:24:59:43 – 00:25:08:48
Agent Palmer
Okay, that’s on my shelf, I did that, that like a that’s done, you know, if I have to model kits I remember making didn’t have wheels that moved. Right. It was like.
00:25:08:59 – 00:25:09:31
Mike Laybourne
Yeah, you.
00:25:09:31 – 00:25:26:46
Agent Palmer
Put the wheels on and that’s that’s that. They’re fixed. And I think maybe like if I get other sets, I have to take the time to like, no, they’re it’s more than just the build. Yeah.
00:25:26:51 – 00:25:43:54
Mike Laybourne
I think it’s what you can do. So I think certain things are display pieces, you know. And I can get it with the Saturn five. I think. But because of this it’s got all the different sections. It’s got a little service module and stuff. It’s like for me I’ll be like, okay, I’ve got to spray it as the rocket or not.
00:25:43:54 – 00:26:02:20
Mike Laybourne
I might display it in sections, you know, just just change it around. But I went through the kind of plastic model make and set. So I did with Airfix planes went through like, I’d like a big Gundam thing where I was making all the sets and stuff like that, and I was like, that’s cool. And then it’s going, you finish it.
00:26:02:20 – 00:26:24:00
Mike Laybourne
Like, I’m going to do that now. Yeah, it’s just going to sit there, gather and dust, you know, and it’s gone like this at least. Okay, we’re going to do a Lego. How can we build that into something else. Or if I want to I mean, you can build stuff digitally now. So in April I was in hospital for two weeks or so.
00:26:24:14 – 00:26:39:40
Mike Laybourne
My daughter was in hospital for two weeks. And she had to have like a little surgery. And then because of the medication, she had to stay in for two weeks. Okay. Just so thinking of the medication, like she’s absolutely fine, and she’s pretty much fine the following day. But two weeks in the hospital can’t drop and change.
00:26:39:40 – 00:26:56:40
Mike Laybourne
Like, who’s going? Which parent’s going to stay because of whatever. Everything’s going on. So I was like, all right, okay, well, she don’t don’t get me a laptop. What I’m going to do, I’m going to build a tiny V4, which is like an 1800 piece Lego set digitally. All the instructions are on Lego’s website. I’ve actually got the set since then, and it’s beautiful.
00:26:56:45 – 00:27:14:53
Mike Laybourne
But, I was like, because it’s two, I’ve got Lego digital Design, which still in life is a program called studio where you can just go and get all the bricks. You just click them together using your mouse and choose the colors and stuff. And you can a lot of people will just build stuff like that before building in real life, just to see what it’s like.
00:27:15:08 – 00:27:17:33
Mike Laybourne
Now you use that to generate like a parts list or whatever.
00:27:17:46 – 00:27:32:01
Agent Palmer
How does it like, obviously it’s it’s a different sensation because you’re not actually touching the pieces, but is it just as fulfilling digitally as it is otherwise?
00:27:32:05 – 00:27:56:15
Mike Laybourne
Not as, because it’s not the same as physically kind of clicking the pieces together, but there are sets that I’m never going to own. Okay. So like the the current, Ultimate Collector series, Millennium Falcon is a one $750 up, 650 pound. Yep. On is massive. So I was like, no, you can’t afford it because it’s loads of money.
00:27:56:15 – 00:28:20:57
Mike Laybourne
Also, where the heck am I going to put it. Like people get it and like they’ll build coffee tables around it, you know, because it’s huge. And it’s like, this is no way I could justify that ever. But I can build it digitally. Okay. So I can see kind of how stuff goes together. And sometimes because people will sell the instructions as well.
00:28:21:02 – 00:28:34:24
Mike Laybourne
So there’s some little sets that are born where I’m just going to get one off the shelf. So, it’s a tiny little desktop, kind of, Jakku from Rogue One with sort of storage above it. So not not a huge set.
00:28:34:26 – 00:28:35:38
Agent Palmer
No.
00:28:35:43 – 00:28:42:25
Mike Laybourne
But, you know, I saw a nice little desktop kind of thing. Someone designing instructions. And so the instructions.
00:28:42:29 – 00:28:45:53
Agent Palmer
So where do you get the pieces, though? You see.
00:28:46:03 – 00:28:55:32
Mike Laybourne
Well, there’s kind of three main places you can buy them from Lego. Okay. So if you want brand new pieces that you know are going to be clean, you can get them from Lego itself.
00:28:55:37 – 00:29:04:23
Agent Palmer
And can you buy by piece? Like, obviously the instructions tell you like you need 15 of these for these so you can go, oh yeah, you just be that specific.
00:29:04:27 – 00:29:23:08
Mike Laybourne
Yeah. Okay. You can do you can either go in with a list of pieces, or you can kind of do it by set. So I might on order at the moment. So I got the Razor Crest and is beautiful, but the engine is kind of don’t look like anything like the real one. So I was looking on.
00:29:23:10 – 00:29:41:13
Mike Laybourne
How can I change that? I need to order some pieces. So I ordered some curve pieces that were giving much nicer shape to the engine. I’ll post on Twitter when it’s finished, but it’s going to be a while. But. So you can order directly from Lego. It does take a while. EBay. You know, people will sell bricks.
00:29:41:17 – 00:30:01:17
Mike Laybourne
And there’s a website called Brick Link, which is pretty much kind of like the biggest. It’s like a global marketplace of bricks. Lego now owns it. So they kind of get a cut of anything that you buy. But if you kind of, if you’re ordering in bulk, then brick links, probably the best one. I tend to use either Lego or eBay because I don’t tend to buy huge lots.
00:30:01:22 – 00:30:37:13
Agent Palmer
So so there is a secondary market, which seems, I mean, it makes sense because like, I’ve built two substantial sets and I have two baggies worth of like, here’s some extra pieces. And I don’t, I don’t, I don’t know what to do. Like, I, I’m also like a completionist where I’m like, Like when I did the, the Saturn five and the lunar lander are hard enough because you can’t be like, oh, I’m going to, you know, okay, I get these extra pieces, I’m going to use them.
00:30:37:18 – 00:30:46:04
Agent Palmer
But like with the Marvel set and the Jurassic Park set, I was like, no, I’m going to use these pieces like I could find a way to fit them in.
00:30:46:09 – 00:30:46:27
Mike Laybourne
00:30:48:29 – 00:30:57:46
Agent Palmer
But like I don’t like having leftover pieces like it feels, it feels like that joke of like, oh, you’re going to take that engine apart, How many extra pieces are you going to have when you put it back together? Right.
00:30:57:50 – 00:31:17:53
Mike Laybourne
Like, Yeah. And I felt like I said, where there haven’t been any extra pieces and you finished building it and there’s still pieces left. Right. And I have to go back through the instructions to find out what I’ve missed out. Hit it with the raise, a question of that. But yeah, that like, I think when you’ve kind of not got much then.
00:31:17:55 – 00:31:42:52
Mike Laybourne
Yeah. It’s like, what do you do those extra pieces when you’ve got lots or sometimes if there’s like a really cheap set going on eBay, like a couple of quid for like a star or a set or whatever, I’ll buy it just to break it down. Okay. Just go. Right. Here are the parts. And now I have three kind of big multi section trays full of parts, all kind of like divided up by type.
00:31:42:56 – 00:31:53:03
Mike Laybourne
So like when you kind of sit down and go, okay, I’m going to modify some or I’m going to build something from scratch, you can only go out to get the trays out and go, okay, well let’s just start playing around with stuff.
00:31:53:08 – 00:32:18:28
Agent Palmer
I mean, obviously Star Wars is big, but like when you were a kid, like, did you ever have one of, like, the big pirate sets or like any of those, or was it always just blocks? Because I’m trying to think back. I had a friend. I had a friend who had I had multiple friends, actually, but I had one friend who had like the pirate ship.
00:32:18:33 – 00:32:33:54
Agent Palmer
Right. And that was probably when I was 7 or 8, whenever that was like. That was probably the biggest set I had ever seen as like, this is a Lego set.
00:32:33:59 – 00:32:54:20
Mike Laybourne
Yeah, I know you mean I, so most of the sets that I got kind of when I was like a bit older and able to, to build sets, tended to be like the little set you own. So I cast mostly or trucks. I think I had, I don’t remember any of the pirate ships, but I had I think I had one of the pirate sets.
00:32:54:20 – 00:33:08:11
Mike Laybourne
It was like a little fort on the little island. Yep. So. So it was. It was never like a massive set or anything, but, like, I think I think I was very one of the biggest ones that I had now, like a little dinghy that came with it and stuff and it of the cannons you could pull back and fire that all.
00:33:08:16 – 00:33:17:58
Mike Laybourne
Was it one by one round cylinders? So yeah, I think that was the biggest one that I had. But then I kind of moved quickly from sets. Then into technic.
00:33:18:11 – 00:33:19:18
Agent Palmer
Okay.
00:33:19:23 – 00:33:22:32
Mike Laybourne
All right. And then the dark ages happened. Do you know if.
00:33:22:32 – 00:33:41:52
Agent Palmer
If I were to say, like, no more Star Wars, like, is there another Lego? No. I’ll say franchise that you would be like. No, I could easily. I mean, obviously you’re a big Star Wars fan. I’m not trying to take that away. I’m saying like, nope, star Wars is like, they stopped doing Star Wars, but they kept every other franchise.
00:33:41:52 – 00:33:46:51
Agent Palmer
Is there another franchise you could continue your Lego with?
00:33:46:55 – 00:34:01:46
Mike Laybourne
It’s kind of all the different themes and stuff. Good question. It’s a very good question, actually. I’m going to park it. I’m going to come back to it while I think about it. I’m going to touch on something that you said before, about how I go to such a good job, kind of with the, the licenses.
00:34:01:46 – 00:34:33:30
Mike Laybourne
Yeah. There’s a story about how the Star Wars license saved Lego, because in the mid 90s, Lego was going bust, you know, nobody was buying it. It didn’t really have kind of any big licenses or anything. It was only when they got when episode one fundamentals came out and they got the license for that and they started putting out, a couple of ships, I think you had like a Naboo fighter, Darth Moles scimitar.
00:34:33:35 – 00:34:52:50
Mike Laybourne
And like, you look at them and they just look like blocky sets. That’s kind of what they were. But but that theme and that license then save the company and they’ve gone on to Ghostbusters license the Harry Potter license Super Mario at the moment. The Nintendo if you seen the stars in the TV.
00:34:52:50 – 00:35:16:46
Agent Palmer
Yeah, the Nintendo, I mean, the the attention to detail on that particular set like I, I, I’m not surprised it’s sold out as quickly as it did. I feel like there are certain sets like the, as we’re recording this Ecto one. Another Ecto one dropped, right? And it’s just like, yes, that thing is absolutely beautiful.
00:35:16:46 – 00:35:18:40
Agent Palmer
And that’s going to sell out to.
00:35:18:45 – 00:35:29:45
Mike Laybourne
I’m not seen it yet. So I’ve seen like the old one, which was gauche, I think the old ones an idea. So, I’m not I saw the teaser for the new one, but I’m not seeing the pictures of it. Yeah, I think it was about 2000 parts or something. Yeah.
00:35:29:45 – 00:35:31:26
Agent Palmer
It’s massive.
00:35:31:31 – 00:36:02:38
Mike Laybourne
Yeah. So it sounds good. So I think, I think with the themes because we saw was I don’t get every Star Wars that. Yeah. It’s not about being a completionist in that sense. It’s about getting stuff that’s just meaningful. Sure. For me, being a big Star Wars geek. So, you know, it’s like I don’t have much in the way of Tie fighters because, you know, the standard sci fi is, you know, they were never cool.
00:36:02:43 – 00:36:19:33
Mike Laybourne
You know, they just explode straight away. And they’re kind of the same with X-Wings. I was never a big fan of the x-wings, weirdly. So it’s kind of lots of stuff like that I don’t have, but like the walkers, like the ATS and Http. And so I’ve got a couple of those because I think those are cool.
00:36:19:37 – 00:36:38:18
Mike Laybourne
Or a couple of the ships as like if it’s something that I think looks good or something that I can relate to, I’ll, I’ll go for it. So I’m not going to order. If it’s something that I don’t care about, then I won’t get it. Or if it’s something that kind of halfway care about, I might kind of watch that goes cheap and pick it up on eBay.
00:36:38:23 – 00:36:50:38
Mike Laybourne
A lot of people will get the sets the figures out and sell the figures off separately so you can buy the ships like half price. So if you’re a shipbuilder, then that’s pretty handy. If you’re not bothered about the figures that come with it.
00:36:50:41 – 00:36:56:03
Agent Palmer
Is there a real market for just the minifigs?
00:36:56:08 – 00:37:17:25
Mike Laybourne
Yes. Yeah, massive. And not just the Star Wars ones because you’ve got the collectible minifig series, the Lego bricks. So every year, but some of the rare figures go for loads. Like the Darth Revan, I think it is, which Lego did as a Polly bag once. Never ended. I think it was a version of Arthur Heaven.
00:37:17:30 – 00:37:40:11
Mike Laybourne
It’ll go for like $5,060, you know, some of them will go for even more. I was looking at the Rio rant from solo. That old dude with forearms I think was voiced by Jon Favreau. Because I never wanted the set that he came with, but I thought he was a pretty cool little figure. Like looking for him on eBay teams I could find 25 pound looks like, what, $30?
00:37:40:16 – 00:37:48:07
Mike Laybourne
I was like, no, no, it’s just it’s just, you know, I’m sure someone, somewhere is willing to pay that. And that’s cool. Not not for me. I don’t justify that.
00:37:48:15 – 00:37:49:50
Agent Palmer
Well, no, because you could probably get.
00:37:49:50 – 00:37:50:44
Mike Laybourne
The market massive.
00:37:50:46 – 00:37:56:54
Agent Palmer
You could probably get one of those half price ships for that. Yeah. Cost and. Yeah. Yeah.
00:37:56:56 – 00:38:01:06
Mike Laybourne
No it’s yeah I just use whatever people collect.
00:38:01:06 – 00:38:08:24
Agent Palmer
So I mean but based on what you have at least written for me, you have quite the minifig collection as it is.
00:38:08:28 – 00:38:34:19
Mike Laybourne
I have a decent collection of minifigs. They all tend to be ones that have kind of come, come with sets. I’ve never gone out specifically to go get right. I want this minifig of this person, or this character. For me, it’s kind of almost like a byproduct, okay? Because I see myself as a kind of shipbuilder.
00:38:34:24 – 00:38:45:20
Mike Laybourne
Then. Okay, well, when I buy a six, I like the ship is going to come with minifigs, so that’s fine. I’ll leave the display them with the ship. Oh, they just go in a box. So I’ve got a tray full of minifigures.
00:38:45:27 – 00:39:05:16
Agent Palmer
Is there a a massive ship? I mean, maybe it’s a millennium Falcon, maybe it’s not. But like, is there a massive ship that, like, if I could, like, add a room to your house, like, you’d be like, all right, I’ve got the space, I’m going to get that one. And in my head I’m thinking it’s Star Wars wise.
00:39:05:25 – 00:39:23:10
Agent Palmer
There’s two that come to mind. One is the massive, Falcon. But like, there’s also, isn’t there like, a, like, What? I feels like a million piece. It’s like a six foot, Star Destroyer or something. Like, didn’t they build something massive like that?
00:39:23:15 – 00:39:52:07
Mike Laybourne
So the biggest official Lego Star Wars set was the Millennium Falcon. Okay. Came out, I think 2018. And yes, if I had the space in the money, I 200% buy it. The there’s also a Star Destroyer, which is the same price, but it’s about 4000 pieces. Whereas I think this bow 7000 pieces in the Falcon. There’s also a lot of pieces of bigger pieces.
00:39:52:07 – 00:40:10:24
Mike Laybourne
So it feels like you get this for your money, but you look at it and it’s absolutely massive. I saw it in a Lego store once. It’s just huge. So yeah, I’d probably pick those up because they look amazing. Was I in this room? Which is kind of my mind game, and also my office for working from home.
00:40:10:29 – 00:40:17:33
Mike Laybourne
You know, it’s a there’s only so much so you can you can have around, it’s kind of like I can reach out and touch both walls. So.
00:40:17:39 – 00:40:23:35
Agent Palmer
Yeah, I mean, so you could probably hang one from the ceiling and, always be hunched over.
00:40:23:40 – 00:40:45:59
Mike Laybourne
Yeah. Although this is an old house and the ceiling or probably come down on the go from every time I see a new crack is, Yeah, I always get this house is eight years old, so, you know, let’s fix that. But, Yeah, if I had the room and the money. Definitely the Falcon. To come back to your question about which theme I’d go for, it wasn’t Star Wars be the creator, so probably the creator expert.
00:40:46:03 – 00:40:57:48
Mike Laybourne
So stuff, like your you Mustang’s okay. The what are the other ones? So you got your Mustang, you got the James Bond DB5.
00:40:57:48 – 00:41:02:33
Agent Palmer
There, the DB5, they did the Bugatti Veyron. I think maybe.
00:41:02:38 – 00:41:12:08
Mike Laybourne
That was Technic. Oh, okay. And it was, but. Yeah. So I didn’t like a star as well. It’s just it’s just massive. They’ve done a Lamborghini as well. Now it’s same scale.
00:41:12:13 – 00:41:13:56
Agent Palmer
There was a mini, right?
00:41:14:01 – 00:41:22:25
Mike Laybourne
Yes. Yeah. Those Mini Cooper, you’ve got the, like a VW camper van. And like, the Lego expert stuff.
00:41:22:29 – 00:41:23:52
Agent Palmer
Look, all I’m saying is that.
00:41:23:53 – 00:41:25:50
Mike Laybourne
500, all that’ll be the theme.
00:41:25:50 – 00:41:32:49
Agent Palmer
All of those fit together except the the wagon. Right? Like, it’s just like, all of these could be like you.
00:41:32:54 – 00:41:33:55
Mike Laybourne
Went off the wagon. Why not?
00:41:33:57 – 00:41:39:57
Agent Palmer
What’s wrong with the one? I’m just. It’s not. All of the other ones are faster. I’m just saying, like.
00:41:40:02 – 00:41:43:10
Mike Laybourne
I mean, Fiat 500 and fast.
00:41:43:14 – 00:41:43:26
Agent Palmer
Family.
00:41:43:32 – 00:42:03:16
Mike Laybourne
Oh, that’s that’s a new one. But it’s just it’s it’s it’s just it’s a good look in the whole set, you know? I mean, the cream of the crop out of the creative stuff has to be that Mustang. Yeah. That’s. I’ve come close to, like, go up to basket, you know, a couple of times and then go, still £120.
00:42:03:21 – 00:42:04:53
Mike Laybourne
Yeah. You know, it’s, it’s.
00:42:04:58 – 00:42:37:18
Agent Palmer
I, I, I have less a problem with the price and more a problem with this space. Like I know where I would put it and I keep trying to keep that shirt like I, I have a bookcase like a four foot bookcase. And if I kept the top of it clean, that’s exactly where it would go. My problem is not that I can’t buy it, it’s that I’m looking at it right now and there’s stuff on there, so like, I need to keep it clean for long enough to know that I could put the Mustang there without putting stuff on top of it.
00:42:37:18 – 00:42:48:01
Agent Palmer
Right. Like that’s. So it does become more of a space issue than a financial issue. And it’s like, close. Like I feel like it close.
00:42:48:06 – 00:42:49:47
Mike Laybourne
Yeah. And it is a beautiful set.
00:42:49:52 – 00:43:13:44
Agent Palmer
And I and but but since here’s the thing, since you sent me that link, as much as I love the beauty of the classic one, the new one is not like it also has its perks as far as being like, beautiful. So it was it. And it wasn’t that much more expensive for like the additional pieces and the instructions to build the new one.
00:43:13:48 – 00:43:19:52
Agent Palmer
Which added like a wrinkle to the whole thing because I was like, well, it’s just this one. But now.
00:43:19:57 – 00:43:42:50
Mike Laybourne
Yeah, there’s, there’s, there’s a set, which is, it’s it’s that next set. I think it’s, Chevrolet Corvette CR seven, I think, it’s not a big selling things like 500 pieces, but it’s been rebuilt so many different times. There’s a website called revocable. And you can put in your collection so you can go. Right. These are all the sets that I’ve got.
00:43:42:55 – 00:43:56:35
Mike Laybourne
And then it’ll tell you what you can build using those pieces. And it’s awesome, but it’s also kind of boring. So you go, okay, because it tells you how many pieces of Lego you’ve got out, you know, have you, have.
00:43:56:35 – 00:43:58:45
Agent Palmer
You done it?
00:43:58:49 – 00:44:00:02
Mike Laybourne
I’ve done most of it.
00:44:00:07 – 00:44:05:21
Agent Palmer
And how many, pieces do you have in your house?
00:44:05:26 – 00:44:23:44
Mike Laybourne
It is, it’s a few. If I’m just going to find out, I’m just gonna load it home now. So not everything I’ve. I’ve put on there. Yeah. Okay. Like, there’s just like like I’m building the a tie reaper at the moment. And I always like it just a bunch kind of one by one.
00:44:23:45 – 00:44:25:19
Agent Palmer
And does this include the castle?
00:44:25:23 – 00:44:27:34
Mike Laybourne
They don’t go on there. Yeah. This does include. Okay.
00:44:27:34 – 00:44:33:20
Agent Palmer
All right, all right. Because I was going to say like that’s all like, obviously there are other members of your family with collections.
00:44:33:24 – 00:44:53:31
Mike Laybourne
Yeah. Yeah. So it doesn’t if you’re kind of any of the girl stuff, it doesn’t include any of my stuff apart from the castle. Okay. Okay. That’s more than I thought. So looking at this, and again, to get this kind of this is kind of lower than than it actually would be because of just the odd pieces that I get.
00:44:53:31 – 00:44:59:01
Mike Laybourne
But this is showing, 44,755 total parts.
00:44:59:06 – 00:45:07:08
Agent Palmer
Okay. So, so, so over 50, easily I yeah, I’d say.
00:45:07:13 – 00:45:19:52
Mike Laybourne
I mean, we might be pushing it to get 50, but I’d say definitely over. We’ll say 45,000. Okay. 45,000 bricks. Yeah. That’s what I’m good with. That’s I mean so like 4000 of those are just in the Disney castle, so.
00:45:19:57 – 00:45:26:17
Agent Palmer
And you know, and if you put all of that into that site, I’m sure there’s like a million things you can build, right like that.
00:45:26:18 – 00:45:39:37
Mike Laybourne
Yeah, absolutely. Loads. That’s kind of what’s so good about it is people go right, okay, what can I make either just from scratch or they’ll take a saying, go, okay, well can I rebuild it into.
00:45:39:42 – 00:46:05:11
Agent Palmer
So here’s a question for you. When you had just the tub of bricks, what did you build like when you were a kid? Cuz I remember I built I literally always built two things and only two things. I built ships and I built stadium like stadiums. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whether it was like baseball or football, it doesn’t matter.
00:46:05:11 – 00:46:27:16
Agent Palmer
Like I would be like, all right, I’m going to build a stadium and they would be like, I don’t know, those one foot by one foot plates. It would be like 2 or 4 of them, depending on what I was building. Right. But I like build these massive stadiums or I would build a ship like those were the things I always built.
00:46:27:16 – 00:46:35:20
Agent Palmer
Like, what was it for you when you had like, like if I take you back, right, here’s a tub. Yeah. Have at it, man. What are you.
00:46:35:20 – 00:46:41:27
Mike Laybourne
Building? Big timber bricks. Off you go.
00:46:41:32 – 00:47:01:08
Mike Laybourne
Spaceships? Definitely. Yeah. It’s like Barney from the, Lego movie spaceship. Spaceships. So. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely spaceships. You can Lego space. I mean, it’s kind of the first and or second time the space seems came out. They kind of came out at the right time for me as a kid. So I was like, yeah, spaceships very much at the same time.
00:47:01:08 – 00:47:15:48
Mike Laybourne
I’m watching like, Thunderbirds on TV and Captain Scarlet and all that stuff. So I was like, I’m just going to build those. So kind of anything kind of space based. I was all over that. What else to build?
00:47:15:53 – 00:47:40:28
Mike Laybourne
I had kind of, oh, I had a fire station. Okay, a fire station go about that one, cause I was the one that came with the base plate. And I’d like the old kind of roller shutter door that I think I built, and, like, 10,000 different things, so I didn’t build much. Kind of set you eyes, so I didn’t kind of build, like, ability, the vehicles like cars or whatever, or spaceships, but pretty much mostly spaceships.
00:47:40:32 – 00:47:41:22
Agent Palmer
Okay.
00:47:41:26 – 00:47:45:01
Mike Laybourne
I think I was a kid that I was me, you know, had it head in the clouds.
00:47:45:06 – 00:47:52:51
Agent Palmer
Well, and still I mean, now it’s galaxies far, far away. But I mean, they’re still it’s still there.
00:47:52:56 – 00:47:54:08
Mike Laybourne
Well played. Well.
00:47:54:13 – 00:48:23:56
Agent Palmer
I, I mean, because you’ve been in at this a little bit longer since you’re, you know, reintroduction, like. Yeah. Has that how has it been with, like, you know, seeing it on the big screen now? Because that was probably never a thing I look at. If we if I go back to little you or little me like seeing a Lego movie is like nowhere near like it’s not even a possibility, right?
00:48:24:11 – 00:48:46:15
Agent Palmer
No. And now there’s a again, it happens. And obviously the video games have kind of added to it as well. Like I at some point, I bought I don’t know which one. I bought one of the Jurassic Lego games because it was two player and I was like, oh, well, this this will be fun. Like we both like Jurassic Park will be able to.
00:48:46:20 – 00:49:03:53
Agent Palmer
So I think we’ll we’ll get into that at some point. But like, has it been enjoyable like I was it took me a while to get to the Lego movie because I was like, I don’t I don’t get it. Like, and like, I know the writing is good and I admit, like, it’s it’s it’s a fun franchise, but like.
00:49:04:08 – 00:49:05:06
Mike Laybourne
00:49:05:11 – 00:49:11:54
Agent Palmer
It, it the trailer dropped and I was like, yeah, like, it took me like people had to push me to it, you know? Like, really?
00:49:11:59 – 00:49:29:07
Mike Laybourne
Yeah. You know what? I forgot about the video games. Because actually, I was before playing the Lego video games before I got back into it. Back into Lego. So that was a very good point that, like, pretty much just the Star Wars. Like the Lego Star Wars video games. I play kind of the original the.
00:49:29:09 – 00:50:01:37
Mike Laybourne
So the original trilogy video games. And then. Yeah, I kind of saw then getting back into Lego as a, as a toy. So they were really good with the movies. So it’s not some movies, you got movies, you got cartoons and stuff. And I’m not Lego Star Wars. There’s a theme with this. It’s. I love those cartoons because that they are just hilarious, because they’re so lighthearted that they kind of, they just kind of take the piss out of themselves, you know?
00:50:01:42 – 00:50:21:22
Mike Laybourne
And the Emperor in Lego, in the way they’ve done it in the cartoons is, is so funny. And I’m saying it’s like, as a 36 year old guy going and just laughing, it the, the I’m forgetting like just it’s just stupid jokes. Like, if will give him a best emperor milk of emperor a day. And it’s just like it’s when you say it out loud.
00:50:21:22 – 00:50:45:09
Mike Laybourne
It sounds daft when you watch it. It’s it’s just it’s just funny, simple stuff. And I think with the Lego movie, the first one, I think they did that really, really well. The way they jammed all the different kind of all your superheroes and stuff are in there. I all your cameos, like Superman, Green Lantern and all that sort of stuff.
00:50:45:14 – 00:50:49:10
Mike Laybourne
And I think there was a lot of very, very funny jokes because it was, it was really well written.
00:50:49:10 – 00:50:50:53
Agent Palmer
Yeah.
00:50:50:58 – 00:51:13:27
Mike Laybourne
The second one I thought was probably a bit too clever for its own good with the way the they can tell the story. I mean, there was I think there’s lots of very funny Chris Pratt jokes in it with them being like kind of two of the main characters, you know, it was like the space hero velociraptor training Rex Vest or whatever his name was, as well as Zammit.
00:51:13:32 – 00:51:37:16
Mike Laybourne
But Lego Batman was, I think probably that was probably the perfect Lego movie. Just because you got Will Arnett as Batman. And all the other cast is just. I watched that in the theater, and I was, but it was brilliant. It was. It just worked really, really well. Ninjago movie was all right. I never really watched the cartoon, but this movie was.
00:51:37:31 – 00:51:50:59
Mike Laybourne
It was it was fun, funny moments. Jackie Chan was in it. So, you know, you go, you can’t go wrong. But, Yeah, I think, how do I seen that as a kid? Which would have blown my mind.
00:51:51:04 – 00:52:12:02
Agent Palmer
Okay. I mean, I, I missed a lot of it, and I feel like I, I owe it to myself to go back because it it I’m it would hit me, right. Like I know it would. I’m not like, oh no, I’m too old for that. No, I don’t feel you’re not I, I’m, I’m happy to play with Legos.
00:52:12:02 – 00:52:30:43
Agent Palmer
Like it’s fine. You know, I, I, I got in a what could have been easily predictable like Minecraft addiction. Right. Because it’s like it’s it’s not that different. It really isn’t. And it’s just like.
00:52:30:48 – 00:52:58:12
Agent Palmer
I like building stuff. Like, I, I, I play Minecraft and all I do is build stuff. That’s it. Like, I’ve never beaten the game. To me, that’s not what it’s about. Right? Like and I feel like for Lego, it’s, it’s there are people that build to play and they’re people that build to build. And it’s just I mean, you could if you wanted to like, you get all psychological and be like, well, that says a lot about who you are.
00:52:58:12 – 00:53:21:31
Agent Palmer
But no, I don’t care. Like, I just want to build. It’s fine. Like I don’t I don’t need it to mean any more, than it does. But I wanted to put you on the spot for a moment. Like you do have all these sets. Is there one that’s like, this is the like, this is my favorite set.
00:53:21:36 – 00:53:29:35
Agent Palmer
And I’m not saying, like, of all time, just of what you already own. Like this is my most prized one.
00:53:29:40 – 00:53:42:16
Mike Laybourne
So getting rid of all my sets, I can only keep one really? What would it be? What would it be?
00:53:42:20 – 00:54:00:43
Mike Laybourne
I don’t know, I want to say it’s kind of like. What’s your favorite song? It changes every week. It depends on kind of what I’m doing with it. Like the Castle Ren Millennium Falcon. I kind of fall in love with that again, because I’ve started remodeling it to make it kind of more screen accurate, whereas previously untouched it for like a year.
00:54:00:48 – 00:54:04:10
Mike Laybourne
But it’s probably going to be the slave one.
00:54:04:15 – 00:54:05:02
Agent Palmer
Okay.
00:54:05:07 – 00:54:29:21
Mike Laybourne
Yeah, I’m sure it is the one that I wrote for the website. Because I never had any of the old ones. I never had the Ultimate Collector series, which is gorgeous, but it’s just it’s so expensive on the second hand market. And they brought this one out was it was affordable. It’s not massive, but it’s a good size, but it’s not going to take up all your shelf space.
00:54:29:25 – 00:54:51:35
Mike Laybourne
And it just, it looks it’s probably as good a Lego set as I mean, when Star Wars anyway, that they’ve made recently. You know, I don’t look at it and go, well, I wish that was different or I want to change out like I’ve done with it with the Razor Crest. Let’s just go, okay. I’m just going to stick on a stand, display it with the rest of the bounty hunters.
00:54:51:36 – 00:54:52:23
Mike Laybourne
It’ll be fine.
00:54:52:28 – 00:55:08:15
Agent Palmer
Art I like, I honestly, when are you going to put in your application for, like, QA at, like, Lego? Like, Oh, no. All I have to do is just build these sets and tell them what’s wrong. Like, when’s that happening?
00:55:08:19 – 00:55:21:35
Mike Laybourne
Imagine, do you know what it’s. I mean, I mean, you can dream. But at the same time, it’s it’s a hobby, and I don’t want a hobby to become a job.
00:55:21:40 – 00:55:22:29
Agent Palmer
All right, that’s fair, if.
00:55:22:30 – 00:55:23:32
Mike Laybourne
That makes sense. No.
00:55:23:36 – 00:55:23:54
Agent Palmer
I mean.
00:55:23:54 – 00:55:26:35
Mike Laybourne
Look, it’s, I don’t want to fall out of love with it.
00:55:26:43 – 00:55:27:36
Agent Palmer
I know.
00:55:27:43 – 00:55:28:48
Mike Laybourne
Because it’s the day job.
00:55:28:48 – 00:55:58:48
Agent Palmer
I absolutely know that feeling. I know, I, I think I’ve said this on the show before. Like, I go back to, I think it was a 4 or 5 years ago when Hardwick, when Chris Hardwick officially sold and got out of Nerdist. He did. I think it was either his last Nerdist or his first to podcast, and he talked about the process for leaving Nerdist, which he had created.
00:55:59:00 – 00:56:39:19
Agent Palmer
And obviously it was a huge success, and he turned it into a much bigger thing than himself. But he, he he sounded almost heartbroken that it wasn’t his anymore. Like, yes. Yeah, he was a big success. He had more money than, you know, obviously it saved his career, but there was a part of him that when he I and I don’t know what episode it was, but I’m listening to that episode thinking like, I’m never going to lose control of Agent Palmer because, like, he’s almost heartbroken that this thing he created to be, like, almost a reflection of himself and his fandom, you know, is now something else, and he’s not a part of it
00:56:39:19 – 00:56:59:04
Agent Palmer
anymore. So I understand where you go, like, no, this is a hobby. I don’t want it to be a day job because like, I immediately go back to that and I go like, I know where I was when, like I remember sitting like in my office listening to that go in, like I, I don’t ever want to feel like that.
00:56:59:04 – 00:57:20:28
Agent Palmer
Like granted, it’s success that led him to that, obviously. But I feel like there’s a part of him that’s like, if I could change it, if I could go back and just keep it as mine, I would. And I feel like that’s an aspect of it where some hobbies are meant to be hobbies and especially look, people are working from home.
00:57:20:33 – 00:57:43:16
Agent Palmer
There are millions of people jumping on, like Twitch that like, I like playing video games, pay me to play video games. And it’s like it’s just because you can doesn’t mean you should is one part of it. But you know, some things are meant for you, right? Like I all right, Mike, set up your webcam and just build Lego live on Twitch with the chat.
00:57:43:16 – 00:58:00:40
Agent Palmer
Or like, I mean, you could there’s literally nothing stopping you except that. Yeah, that’s not why you’re doing it. And I feel like a lot of people somehow lose sight of that. Right? It’s just like, this is this one stays with me.
00:58:00:44 – 00:58:20:38
Mike Laybourne
Yeah, yeah, it’s I get it. So I started putting stuff on YouTube. Just do my little speed builds and stuff. And I still do it kind of with the magazines because they’re pretty easy. But actually, when I was building the the time before, and it was a special section, it was a gift, up to kind of a pretty tricky time.
00:58:20:40 – 00:58:37:24
Mike Laybourne
Jared. And I was like, okay, cool, this is mine. And I kind of just, you know, live like the shooting, the videos I was filming and stuff like that. And I realized I wasn’t having fun. It’s, you know, it’s like I’m building this. That’s the biggest set I’ve ever built. I was just kind of like, who am I building this for sure?
00:58:37:25 – 00:58:55:12
Mike Laybourne
You know, little magazine reviews and stuff. That’s fun. You know, doing stuff kind of for the website that that’s that’s different because it’s sitting down and writing, you know, it’s reflecting on all of this, the fun stuff. Which is cool. So I enjoy that side of things. But going, okay, I’m going to go, so I’m going to go on video.
00:58:55:12 – 00:59:14:21
Mike Laybourne
The whole thing, it’s a it’s much more process because you got to think, right, I’ve got to set all the parts out so that I can make it nice and smooth. The video and, and stuff like that. And it’s just it stops becoming fun. And I mean, it might be different if I can make a ton of money doing it, but it’s it’s such a thing.
00:59:14:21 – 00:59:30:16
Mike Laybourne
Where for it to be kind of like a passion project, you still got to have the passion for it. And if I’m looking at a set going, great, I can’t wait to build the set. But actually I have to structure everything in such a way that is video friendly so I can then edit. It was a huge amount more work.
00:59:30:23 – 00:59:33:19
Mike Laybourne
I so like it’s like I don’t want to really want to do that.
00:59:33:19 – 00:59:47:10
Agent Palmer
I know exactly what you taught when I did the Saturn five and I was like, well, I know I’m going to write about this. It was like, yeah, I, I had to like, I set up a 15 minute timer to remind myself, like, take a picture of the process, like, don’t just be like, I, I built this, right?
00:59:47:15 – 01:00:10:14
Agent Palmer
Yeah. When when I did the lunar lander, I think I did it, slightly smarter, which was I just set up my camera on a tripod, and every time I finished a section, I just got up and snapped a photo like it wasn’t running all the time. It wasn’t video. It was ever. And it’s easy to be like, I finished bag one, take a picture, put out a bag to take a picture.
01:00:10:14 – 01:00:32:26
Agent Palmer
I finished bag to take a picture. Like it was easier. And I think that’s probably the process I’ll do. But I had to suffer quote unquote through like getting into a rhythm with the Saturn five and then having the alarm go off. Oh shit. I gotta remember to take a picture to like, oh no, I’m just going to take pictures at normal breaks.
01:00:32:31 – 01:00:33:07
Mike Laybourne
Yeah.
01:00:33:12 – 01:00:59:51
Agent Palmer
And it’s like, it’s slightly different than, hey, it’s who are you doing this for? You’re you’re absolutely right. And it I mean, look, there’s a part where video games are supposed to be for you too as well. Like it’s not for others. And I know that there are ways to do it for other people. But like, you know, at at its very core, it should be enjoyable.
01:00:59:56 – 01:01:04:05
Agent Palmer
And that’s that that’s what it’s all about, right?
01:01:04:09 – 01:01:28:34
Mike Laybourne
Yeah. It’s escapism, you know. I think something that kind of let go of really kind of get on board with it is the escapism side of things, because with the new the dots sets where you’ve got like kind of the arty ones where you kind of, they’re all kind of 2D and you got the the Sith Lords and some Andy Warhol ones that Beatles ones and stuff like that.
01:01:28:39 – 01:01:52:52
Mike Laybourne
With those there’s like a link for like meditation music that Lego put together. So it’s they kind of they know that actually this is what’s supposed to be done. It’s just it’s going through that process for yourself. So, I mean, so when you build a set and you, you know, you tear open the baggie, pour all the bits out, do you sort them into shape, size or, you know, different colors, or are you just going to jump straight in and start building.
01:01:52:53 – 01:01:57:52
Agent Palmer
No, I just no, I just it the rip open the bag and get going.
01:01:57:57 – 01:02:13:38
Mike Laybourne
Yeah. I’m the same man. Oh. My wife. So she’ll put them all in, and like, it’ll do all by color. So all the, like, purple pieces in one pile, stuff like that. So she divides all out first of all, like now. Not for me. Nope. See that? And it’s only until then I think I can’t find a piece.
01:02:13:43 – 01:02:21:38
Mike Laybourne
I always go through the same, It’s that I just can’t find it. Oh, man. Maybe it’s actually missing an oh, my God, it’s actually missing. And then. Oh, there it is.
01:02:21:43 – 01:02:23:14
Agent Palmer
No, no, that’s that’s.
01:02:23:19 – 01:02:25:05
Mike Laybourne
I like.
01:02:25:10 – 01:02:28:03
Agent Palmer
I, I’ve, I’ve been there. That’s.
01:02:28:08 – 01:02:31:20
Mike Laybourne
Yeah I’ve, I’ve not scale of panic I’ve.
01:02:31:20 – 01:02:36:42
Agent Palmer
Only done like four sets in the last little bit. And I’ve been there I think in every set.
01:02:36:48 – 01:03:11:11
Mike Laybourne
Like yeah I don’t. Yeah I’ve never had a missing piece ever. But there’s always a piece which I think is missing because I can’t see it. And actually it’s just under another piece or whatever or is, is upside down. But yeah, that’s so it maybe there, there is a good argument for sorting all the pieces out first, but yeah, I was like getting it all out that start building, make a mess.
01:03:11:16 – 01:03:36:48
Agent Palmer
There’s a quote from author C.S. Lewis. When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up. I love this quote because you just heard a full conversation with two grown men talking about playing with the same exact bricks. Well, maybe not the actual same, but conceptually the same bricks we had played with growing up.
01:03:36:55 – 01:03:54:52
Agent Palmer
And we discussed this on a podcast that is going out to the public, which means that both Mike and I only have the second part of the quote in our lives, which is probably the way it should be. Neither of us fear childishness, and neither of us has a desire to be grown up. We are who we are.
01:03:54:54 – 01:04:22:49
Agent Palmer
Now, I know where Louis gets the quote from. Many of you may, but I also know that it was said in a different age. We no longer have to put away childish things in order to grow up or to prove that we are grown up. Responsibility and childish things are not mutually exclusive. I can equally pay my bills and be a functioning adult member of society, while also spending my spare time building Legos, playing video games or Dungeons and Dragons.
01:04:22:53 – 01:04:52:11
Agent Palmer
In fact, adults should engage in play for the same reason that children are encouraged to do so. To quote from healthy children, dot org research shows play can improve children’s abilities to plan, organize, get along with others, and regulate emotions. In addition, play helps with language, math, and social skills, and even helps children cope with stress. Doesn’t that sound like something that not only children, but everyone could find benefits from?
01:04:52:16 – 01:05:14:48
Agent Palmer
Personally, I will continue to play in some form or another because I can use all the help I can get in regards to improving my abilities to plan, organize and above all cope with stress. So let me ask you this. When was the last time you played with something? Whether it was a Lego video game or anything else, it’s important that you do something.
01:05:14:48 – 01:05:37:13
Agent Palmer
So what was it? And if you can’t answer that question, I think you know what needs to be done. Thanks for listening to The Palmer Files episode 33. As a reminder, all links are available in the show notes. And now for the official business. The Palmer Files releases every two weeks on Tuesdays. If you’re still listening, I encourage you to join the discussion.
01:05:37:25 – 01:05:56:58
Agent Palmer
You can tweet me at Agent Palmer, the show at The Palmer Files, or Mike at Mike Laybourne. That’s Mike Lee. Bo, you are any you can see some of his Lego build videos on his YouTube channel, which will be linked in the show notes. Plus, don’t forget you can see his Lego set reviews and some assorted book reviews.
01:05:56:58 – 01:06:15:03
Agent Palmer
Plus all of my writings and rantings on Agent palmer.com email can be sent to the show at the Palmer Files at gmail.com. If you have any feedback on this or any previous episode, or if there’s a topic or guest you’d like me to consider.
01:06:15:08 – 01:06:28:13
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01:06:54:57 – 01:06:57:39
Agent Palmer
All right, Mike, you get one final question for me.
01:06:57:39 – 01:07:17:37
Mike Laybourne
Okay, so this is something that I’ve always wanted. So if you read the site, all the spy literature, all of that stuff, there’s definitely a theme that you go forward with, the kind of the gritty side of things, the historical side of things. What are your thoughts? A on the James Bond franchise? B the Mission Impossible franchise.
01:07:17:42 – 01:07:45:53
Agent Palmer
So the second part is easy because I, I missed out on the Mission Impossible franchise I have. So, episode nine, my buddy Jason Zapata has been a huge, Mission Impossible fan. And he was even a he’s also a big Jason Bourne fan. And within the last year, he sat me down and made me watch all of the Jason Bourne series because I had just missed it completely.
01:07:45:58 – 01:08:06:17
Agent Palmer
And so I feel like Mission Impossible is the next series he’s going to make me do like I, I, I’m not against any of them. Right. It’s just I, I missed them, or like, I wasn’t in a place where I was watching movies at the time, so I missed the franchise. And now all of a sudden, it’s like I’m watching movies again.
01:08:06:17 – 01:08:34:55
Agent Palmer
But it’s the third one. So it’s like, well, I missed the first two. I’m not one of those. I think any anybody who’s been around the site or even knows me, like I usually don’t jump in in the middle. So if I missed the beginning, I’m not in the race anymore. So so with that for for bond, Bond’s hard, because like, there’s I think I think each actor has brought something different to the table.
01:08:35:00 – 01:09:01:35
Agent Palmer
I think each actor has also been of its time, even more so than the movies. Right. Like, I feel like, you know, Connery in the 60s works and and, you know, when we get, you know, with what we get with Roger Moore is also of the time. Right. And then you fast forward to Brosnan in the 90s and that that movie and him like it works in that time.
01:09:01:40 – 01:09:33:14
Agent Palmer
And Craig same thing like it works for its time. I wonder how long it can continue because, when you look at the evolution of the character, it it’s changed, right? Like, obviously we’re getting with Daniel Craig. We’re getting a little bit farther away from gadgets. But I feel like when you ask most people, they fell in love with the gadgets like it was part of the thing.
01:09:33:19 – 01:09:55:29
Agent Palmer
So we’re getting a little bit further away and we’re getting to, you know, a Jason Bourne Mission Impossible type bond, which it it’s okay. Like there’s a part of me that wants to go back and read the books, despite the fact that I know they’re absolutely the most misogynistic, sexist pieces of literature you will ever pick up.
01:09:55:33 – 01:09:57:28
Mike Laybourne
I was going to ask, have you read it? Read any of the books?
01:09:57:28 – 01:10:10:15
Agent Palmer
No, no. I’m aware of how much has changed from book to movie. But I’m also aware of just some of that stuff you just can’t put on the screen.
01:10:10:20 – 01:10:11:00
Mike Laybourne
No.
01:10:11:05 – 01:10:32:05
Agent Palmer
But I, I’m, look bond was the first. Bond was my first spy right. Like I obviously I leaned in that to the Harry Palmer stuff. And obviously I’m reading through all the Dayton’s. But like it was bond first and I think it was my love of bond, which is the reason that I felt so much affection for Harry Palmer.
01:10:32:11 – 01:10:50:19
Agent Palmer
When I finally got to watch the series, he was like, oh, this is a guy who does his own shopping, wears glasses and cooks for himself. Like, this is not James Bond, and I’m a 100% on board with it. But if you weren’t into bond, it’s hard to get into him, I think.
01:10:50:24 – 01:10:50:53
Mike Laybourne
Okay.
01:10:50:58 – 01:11:06:15
Agent Palmer
And so like I have like I like all the movies, like if there’s a bond on, I will watch it. Like it’s one of those, I don’t feel compelled to finish it necessarily, because I’ve seen them all a million times.
01:11:06:15 – 01:11:08:34
Mike Laybourne
Yeah.
01:11:08:39 – 01:11:44:39
Agent Palmer
I, I hope the franchise continues for the sake of, like, we all want to know what happens with the character, etc., etc. but I don’t think I think we would be okay with five, six, seven years off. Like, I don’t think that the time between like Moore and Dalton and then Brosnan, which was, you know, a long time, I don’t think that killed the franchise, but I think it made people appreciate it when it came back.
01:11:44:44 – 01:12:12:13
Agent Palmer
And I feel like, you know, all the speculation about who replaces Craig and this that, yeah, we can go years without it like it’s been done before. It can be done again, like Star Wars did. Fine. Just fine between the original trilogy and the prequels. And I know people argue about the prequels, but like it was Star Wars on the big screen and that mattered.
01:12:12:13 – 01:12:32:29
Agent Palmer
But yes, there was a lot of time in between. We can wait. So when there’s a good story to tell, I’m all on board. But I, there’s a part of me that feels like we’re we’re doing it to do it like, oh, okay, it’s been two years. Time for another bond. Like.
01:12:32:29 – 01:12:39:17
Mike Laybourne
But yeah, yeah, I was like the Fast and Furious franchise, which it’s almost become kind of clockwork that we got a new one.
01:12:39:28 – 01:12:59:03
Agent Palmer
I. Yeah. And I like I like the idea that with Jurassic World Dominion is supposed to finish the franchise. I like that that’s. I’m okay with that. Right. Like things come to an end and I. Yeah, I think that’s the hard part. Right. Like, I’m sure there will come a day when there will be no more James Bond.
01:12:59:07 – 01:13:23:21
Agent Palmer
Like it’s it’s it it happens. We move on. But yeah, I, I think nobody’s, nobody’s willing to be that person. Oh, I killed the franchise. Like, I’m the one who said we can’t have another one. Like nobody wants to be that person. I’m I don’t know, I’m. I’m ready for a new hero. How about that? Like, I’m ready for.
01:13:23:26 – 01:13:34:11
Agent Palmer
I’m ready for Harry Palmer to come back, like, let’s let’s let’s have that guy, right? Like, why not? Let’s have one of those not rich boys. Yeah, save the one.
01:13:34:11 – 01:13:53:33
Mike Laybourne
Get him! I got it, I get it. Yeah, it’s an interesting one. I think it’s yeah, it’s kind of the kind of almost done so much with it. It’s kind of where do you go next? And it feels kind of. It feels like they’re already going to dragon things out a little bit. He the same time, as long as it keeps making money.
01:13:53:44 – 01:13:57:32
Agent Palmer
Well I mean, look, he already went to space, right. Like it’s one of the ways.
01:13:57:32 – 01:13:58:57
Mike Laybourne
Yeah, yeah.
01:13:59:02 – 01:14:05:08
Agent Palmer
What do you get to go back to space now? Come on. Like.
01:14:05:12 – 01:14:07:55
Mike Laybourne
You could join the your space force.
01:14:08:00 – 01:14:11:04
Agent Palmer
Maybe maybe maybe margin.
01:14:11:08 – 01:14:35:16
Mike Laybourne
Yeah. No. Yeah. I’m I’m kind of. I’m at the point where I’m kind of done with bond, but I think my favorite bonds were, Timothy Dalton, because there’s kind of that darker surety, a bond that you then kind of got with Daniel Craig. And Brosnan at the start. So, I mean, I love GoldenEye.
01:14:35:16 – 01:14:59:13
Agent Palmer
I look GoldenEye was the first one I saw in theaters. Like, it’s so hard to, not think like, oh, that like, and then you go back and you go like, like with revisionist history and be like, well, what if Dalton. What if Brosnan is in place of Dalton? Like, what happens to the franchise? Maybe it continues on slightly in a different way, like.
01:14:59:18 – 01:15:14:28
Mike Laybourne
Maybe what have we never I’d die another day. You with with Madonna. You know, I mean we could spend the whole podcast talking about those, the Star Wars films, but I guess one for another day probably. Yeah.
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